- November 12, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Monday November 12 (Ep 215) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Gemma Watts is a Melbourne based copywriter who’s built a name for herself writing for Australia’s biggest beauty brands. Gem has used her extensive knowledge in beauty to power her loyal social media audience; managing to have the best of both worlds — a trusted personal brand and a flourishing client list.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, Gem talks about her yearly stint at the Logies, the awkwardness of quitting a job, freelance life, plastic surgery, body image and using public transport as her main way to get around.
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Gemma Watson the
one and only What's going on? Not just running my empire. Yeah, yeah,
take it. Well, this must be a pain in the ass. Now this is nice. This is good. This is a break. Yeah.
What's your favourite part about running your empire?
All of it sounds like such a wonky answer. That's good. I don't know. I just like being the boss. Yeah.
I don't have the personality to work for people.
Yeah. And when did you discover that?
When I was working for PayPal,
because I've been doing my a couple of times to realise
I said, Yeah, so many times where I'm like, maybe it's just this situation blew up this time.
I think I'm lucky that I figured it out. So Young. Yeah. So I didn't have to, like, you know, fuck around for too long. But I was with the business for five years. And then towards the end. I was like, I'm so miserable.
Yeah. Was that when you were like, super young? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I started working, like working working when I was 19. And then I stayed there till I was 24.
Well, the thing is, you're actually here for a job interview with a separate
media companies first.
Were actually hoping that you would hire us. So glow journal. Yeah, you do. copywriting? Is copywriting your main shtick? Yeah,
that's my main shtick, but it's all ghostwritten. So,
yeah, I just it's all beauty be like all of Drake's music.
A little bit. Yeah.
Still love. still loving. Yes, I compare you to drag. Yeah, I get that all the time.
All my styling. Yeah. So it's mostly that and then a bit of like photography stuff. That's the business business and then the blog and the whole influencer thing if you will, is like the side hustle.
Yeah, I remember I had a flashback when I started following Gemma on Instagram when I started following you on Instagram. And we had just been at a shoot Yes, for for I Oh, yeah. And like a beauty you had
a really good business idea that you haven't done it.
But you know what, I remember I was so embarrassed because I looked back and I looked at all your photos and you've got like all these amazing photos I remember at the time giving like this instruction of like now I'm just putting the light here because you want to have like light nice and close you want a big Are you explaining the price was man's flying? I was doing the lights bought because Jim knows how to do it. It's just like I I felt like a bit of a dick. Like someone who's a photographer
now but I would have told you if you're being a Duke so
so that was the first time the three of us met was on a on a shoot and he was a talent. So all a lot of good catering that day guys, there was
Yeah, they had the money
to shoot they always had the it was root platters now maybe into guns. There was a luncheon
remember what I did like two days ago.
I just remember from that day you did it awesome. Pauline Hanson impersonation.
I don't I don't know what to do. Sandra, Sally. I do that.
I might even have to have Sandra Sally on. Can you What can you say?
You just got to go down like two octaves. Okay, go for it. I'm Sandra, Sally and welcome to Australia's branding is key.
When you go up a bit from there and then you've got Jane been doing the weather.
You know, Jane bumps THE CHANNEL SEVEN when?
Eileen that's an actual meteorologist
thinking how I was watching my clock and to the weather the other day. I just thought what an amazing life.
just like it's very specific. Can I tell you guys a storey about my pocket? Now?
We're gonna have to edit again.
Now this is a personal storey. So I grew up in doesn't ask the question mark La La lifelock and eating grub in Brighton. He lived near my house, my family home, right and so we I lived in this for 23 years. 22 years. Anyway, long fucking time. My parents bought it way back in the 80s
it's just setting up the fact that he's not rich guys, so don't ask him for money. So
we were selling selling our house. And this was 22,009 this is like the financial crisis hit like two weeks after we sold the property. So we would like fuck, it was awesome. And we had the open for inspections as you do. Yeah. And we will because you kind of gotta get out of your house. You don't just want to sit on the couch. Well, people like to walk around your house and so we would either like sit in the car or go out and so my mom told me that she was sitting in the car across the road and she saw my clock and go in the weather guy walking and have a sticky bake around our house it was selling sold for 1.46 Thank you gronk
is good market then and went to shit Two weeks later anyway so it's worth $3 million dollars now
so where the losers yeah so anyway something else happened with my going into
black and goes into our house comes out and my mom saw him I don't know if as a few weeks later or just she bumped into him and asked him oh you I'm sure you had to look at their house no sorry Oh the one ran on a straight not not fully denied it among silver it
really was he wearing one of the dead stations. So I know and this is my T shirt
nobody fully deny that he
wouldn't if you've been busted like
we had What about ever since she didn't put him in the awkward thing of saying I saw you
got photos yeah
yeah he fully ignore night I did like we had a maid who was taking their kids to a school to check it out potentially going there and then someone three degrees of separation texted and said are you kids are going to this school are they is like you know what? Fuck it we're not going to send them there. Because it was like because it does feel a bit weird if you got spies all around.
Yeah, little bit. I don't know any of my neighbours so they could all be spying on
my clock and bought the house.
Oh my god, I have the best gig it is the most Gemma role possible I during his job. Can you just
quickly describe it Jim and roll?
What does that look like? When I when I explain the position to you, you'll be like I
like it's the most self indulgent possible job involved sitting?
Yes, because I'm a seat filler. So that's part two. Part one is for the rehearsals I sit in the seats of the winners. So that unlike the presenters will come in and practice with 15 minutes and then I'll go up and accept the award. So then there'll be someone from production like okay, like ramble on so we can practice the wrap up sign so the cameraman Can you know practice waving? Yes. So it's just two days of me accepting awards and I have to do the high oh my god I can't believe I
go by the end of it. It's
on the night when I'm feeling It's in my muscle memory to get up.
I'll let Bert take this one.
Do you know who wins it before? It's no.
Okay, we'll Sabine like someone else's name. Someone you know,
like the Oscars. They're not even close to
TV awards for anyone.
TV's not if not. What is the it's like the Emmys? Closer to the Emmys. Okay, but
which still feels
generous? How did you? How'd you even get that job? My
Auntie's the talent producer. Sorry. Not like me? No. At all. Yeah, yeah. The second I turned 18 they were like, come
on jam. And so you've been doing it for like seven years. I'm a
veteran. That's my actually favourite meal. Oh, that's good. I've been in the early read.
will tell you got an empire
from the not have nots. Yeah, there's some good catering we I was in the media room. At the low Yes. And it was like buffets.
Tommy summit of a scab de la.
Very nice. scab like tendencies. Do you? Were you? Were you had on the food? Or would you sort of like go quite light?
at those things? Yes.
My mind is most other people at Lowes.
I didn't see any lack of blatant nose rubbing this year now, which was surprising. So we're on the Gold Coast, but
Oh, yeah, it shifted from Yeah, actually, Melvin. This was the first
TV Scolese this year.
Well, they they were just all waiting to be P after the event.
But I feel like the thing that gets me because I didn't drink that much. Yeah, the only time I drink is when I'm in Italy, and I'll have an upper all spirit. So it's very specific. It's specific. But people can still drink you can still drink a lot of candles in a night like that. Like people would go back and hard.
Well, yeah, I mean, that's what you go hard on.
allowed to drink until after it's finished. because technically we're working but then really after party.
And so day to day for you. You like writing and shit? What was like? Yeah,
writing and shit. That's
Yes. Oh, wait a video?
Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, just like talking about lipsticks and take a photo. I saw them. And so writing about
them, do you think?
Do you find it? Like, what is the what's the misconception? Do you think for the whole freelancing?
I don't know. I will. I think my friends think I don't have a job. Because they'll like I'll get a text saying, Oh, are you home today? I thought I might come over for lunch. And I'm like, that's two different questions. Because yes, I'm home today. No, you can't come over.
This is where I work, man that
so it is that? Like Tommy notice that like the first week of us being in partnership where it's just like I can get when people ask for anything? Yeah, sure. My brother is like, hey, my I have the day off and my broke. My mate was meant to play basketball, but he's not. Maybe I'll come to your office.
Yeah, sure. So he just kept rocks out with these basketball. And
we ended up doing Missy Higgins on like a cover. On the podcast. I
think having like being it's, do you think you need to have that bit where you're like, I cannot work for anyone else to them actually be able to work for yourself?
Not necessarily. I mean, that's just how it kind of went for me because everything sort of blew up. And then I left my job in lack of, you know, half when
you say everything blew up? What does it mean? I was just
unhappy for ages because the business had changed. So then I think I don't know, it's a bit of that cause and effect because I wasn't happy. So I was like, just being lazy at work. And then I was like, answering back and
as we celebrate we celebrate good blow up. because not many people talk about it. Right? Everyone's like, yeah, we have spectacular blow. Was it can you will I
stormed out and never die. Yeah.
keep going. No, no.
Like I gave myself I'm not a super emotional person. So I gave myself 30 minutes to soak. And then it was like an alarm went off. And I was like, Okay, now I'm gonna. I said like so many times, just then I'm fine. I cold every client I'd done any freelance work for and said, Hey, I'm actually going out of my arms. I've got capacity for more work. And then I signed three clients that although So anyway,
so that 30 minutes, where were you? And what were you thinking about one of the other
girls I worked with was driving me harm, because I didn't. I only learned how to drive a minute ago. So I was still catching the tram in and out of work. And the girls like we don't really want you to get the dream home. Right now. So one of the girls dragged me home had a little soul kind of embarrassed. Yeah. Big time. Big time. Because I think my biggest fear is for people to think I'm shoot up my job. So to not have someone begging me to stick around was a bit like, oh, but I'm amazing. Yeah,
I think that's everyone falls into this trap where they're like, I'm not I'm not replaceable. Yeah, somehow the business always finds the person
doing so well. Now, I just think, but what they're doing is not. Because when I first started working for them, I was a fashion editor. Yeah, so I'm very content. And then it became more doing the strategy for other businesses, which is not May at all, and then I sort of woke up one morning, and I was like, What am I doing?
Would you have done anything differently with the blow up now that you're, I would have left
earlier, not for my own sake, but for the sake of the business because the work I was pumping out the last couple of months, I was there was not my best.
Yeah. And, and so that, like when you do something like that, like when I have had my blow ups or you know, left, it's always me explaining to Bry what I've done and then like my parents to what's, what's the conversation, so
my partner told me to leave? Probably six to eight months before I did job.
He could say I was so I'm happy. Same with my parents. And
I that's good.
Yeah, so I kept I know, I still have so much to learn as you do. I, you know, I was very young. So I thought
maybe the diff like the female difference, because like, it's, I never had that thought of like, I've got so much to learn. I'm like, I've got so much to learn with me being here. And so it's like a little bit a little bit different. What were you looking at opportunities and being like, if I hold on, were you thinking about like climbing the ladder?
Not really, I think the biggest thing that I got out of that was was networking on your
say something but I thought
it's not really going
yeah, I felt something cool. Yeah, nice big.
I forgotten what I was saying. I'm very distracted by
would do that, you know, this, the thoughts, the thoughts around
opportunities, I was going to a lot of parties and I thought at that point, it was very important for me to be seen to be at things and for people to be Oh, Gemma's here so on and so forth. So I thought no, I still got networking to do I did it and I'm yeah, I'm you know, hold myself out enough but
yeah, did you send much did you get to send an email to people? But did you get all like was there a going away party?
There wasn't a party. There wasn't a party I did have
four years no party? No party?
No But I was a bit of an asshole that was probably on May. I can meet that. I need to say and to a mile out
and unauthorised sort of deal like
no I think they said I think they said to me like you have one hour to check your
Yeah, so that that's ridiculous. Yeah, I the job when I left I didn't get a party from but I was there for six months. Yeah,
it was a women I had the last job that I did like a dress up like Josh day is very specific look at the
lanyard and a company
could that be a troll? Yes is a compliment they dress up like Josh
they made it they made two cakes for me one of them had my new company logo on it. That's so nice. It was really really nice. But the other one have on the other one was the UK it was it was a slightly off tasting but a lovely thought burger cake. So it looks like a burger. Someone had gotten like them to sponge cake. Yeah, but it wasn't much of an eating cake but I was really I feel like I had two parts of the business people either like I got along with him really well all those people who really disliked me and there was even right
glass do not glass door
Yeah. So this
glass door that like it are about me
no bit so I got one taken down because it was so obvious that it was about me but one person said that there's
this one guy mush
Janssen much pads and you know I had there was one where someone said the only company we can do absolutely no work and still be positioned as a as a what's it called it when you're a
you're a character in a big outfit in it for a mask mask.
Yeah, someone can do
so much more about the person the gutless person that writes it with no yeah name on it. Yeah,
yeah, I won't say what company One of them was bought McDonald.
used to dress Ronald
they were they were friends that I had in HR not my last job or whatever but they I would catch up with them they said Are we still like people mentioned you in their exit interview. So there you go. That's the title so I'm as much of an asshole when he was an asshole people were annoyed that within the business there was a lot of fun jobs to do and I just landed on the best gig in the whole pie See that's people
living a life of comparison like if you're in Yeah, account Yeah, and you're looking to the people on air at a radio station slightly different triggers a different path to you. You can't be that if I can said that. You haven't made the steps towards
that. Did you find that when you left you had like a stage of like six months or something of like thinking about everyone and how you're positioned and what people thought
well a few people will air on that's great.
Yeah. Because the rose coloured glasses rz Eloqua says thing is like a serious thing where it's like when you're at a place you can look at it with this light but then as soon as you leave your number one job is just to like throw shade or think about what shit
yeah, I I tried to not do that because within the company there's like people who are related to the best friends so I was very careful with them so they couldn't see statuses Yeah, I didn't know I think I just wasn't that salty because I knew it was for the best Yeah, like I had my half hour of sadness but then I just that's
good that you can contain it on this Josh
it's not a super attack. I'm not an emotional person saying shoot my
diet come to me if you need someone to console you. What
do you recognise? What's the like? Is it did you like that as a kid we just like to really give
no no you know what it is was like not to get old boys May I was bullied pretty bad in primary school and my parents were very much like Yeah, but they're all assholes. Like this is not a reflection on you. So I think from sort of the age of like 10 up I've been so it's like a confidence
yeah, I my 21st birthday every single speech started with like if there's one word to describe Gemma its confidence and then the next speech they got up and did more or less the same thing and I'm like Okay, guys, everyone gets it. This is starting to sound like an insult
and so what so you were you did five years working at another place the third was the first year of freelance lifelock
amazing actually really like touch wood the joys of self MBC
joys of freelance life is that that could dry up at any minute but I feel like it's been two years of you know, it not blowing up in my face so I'm happy to just
live like a
The thing about being by yourself though that like slipping into comparison mode, especially in what you do is like a million people that probably don't have the skill says you that are doing something of a similar vein, putting on my cup try you know,
a bit I think I think I managed to like I don't compare what I'm doing to other people because I think I have carved a bit of a nation on myself because there's some very different camps in beauty there's what I'm doing and then there's the real like makeup artist a YouTube type of thing, which is not me at all. Did you try and do that? I did give YouTube a crack. But this is like this is my voice. I'm very one art and the YouTube community is like Hi guys. to Diane unboxing my favourite things and that's exhausting for me. So energy Yeah. Yeah, and the question is, she's not made
already present you naturally do that. naturally go to the present. No, but the inflexion bit is what we're talking about.
Yeah. As much as I will present.
I was a different I don't know
who said I'm Chloe Murillo, is it? Yes. She's huge. Yeah. Yeah.
Massive. She's really not as much as well I can say
her mom's really nice too, because I mean, I this is when
you know Michael arkin.
ties back in. Definitely not Richard Martin by that. No, I mean, I knew he's a she was pregnant. Yeah, big fat belly fat. But But he was a child. Like this is News. He says, like two months out from the baby being born. And we drove and pulled into this motel in Bateman's by New South Wales. Yeah. And I was just about to fly my drone and the woman who owned the hotel, the motel like full old school motels. Great. And she's like, Oh, what's that? And I told her my dry and she's gone. I my daughter's into some production stuff. And I told her that I do production. She's got a YouTube channel, you Chloe Morello. She's a mom, Matt and she's I guess she's over in LA at the moment, but a man was a sweetheart. So nice if you're in vitamins, baby. Yeah.
So what was it? What did you actually do in the video front before you worked out? It was an eye.
Well, I was just talking. I wasn't showing people how to do things. I was just talking which I think is why I'm now podcasting because that's my computer. I'll follow you talk. And then people will commenting my favourite comment this was so long ago but it has stuck with me. Someone was talking about how I sound like I hate everything. This is just my voice. She's gone. You really are the burn on Tomic of beauty. I like what do you mean? She said cuz you very good at it. But you just obviously don't want to be Yeah.
Yeah. Always good to hear from a fan.
It looks like I'm angry. Angry cat was sitting know that Grumpy Cat on his face. Yeah,
he did. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. And he left within? I want to say 36. Yeah.
And so client like freelance life. What I find interesting is there's so many ways that you can do the whole freelancing so many ways that you can make money. I feel like most people who haven't done it, it seems like this magic thing. Yeah. How do you sort of like split it up? How do you say it? How do you look at income? What does that all mean to you?
I think the way that I look at it is I'm very fortunate that I have my freelance business as well as the blog and the Instagram and stuff because I know so many girls who you know, work for themselves and call it freelancing. Would You Do? But they're just doing the Instagram? Yeah. Which makes me a bit nervous because I'm like, what happens when the next like, hot thing comes along? That can dresses the same as you? Yeah, where's your money coming from? Whereas for me, if Instagram dried up tomorrow, I've still got a job because people still need content.
So you separate those two things. Yeah. Okay, yeah. So what does that actually like when you say I'm going to spend X amount of time on my social media versus how much time you're writing? So you write copy for, like cosmetics companies? And yeah,
so everything from their blog to their social stuff to then what's going on their packaging? Yeah. So all of that. I don't I don't I, like consciously separate the two. It's just, I will do as much of my freelance work as I need to do and then if there's time to Instagram, I'll do it.
Yeah, I haven't posted for
awake. But that doesn't, doesn't mean too much.
I was bothered. Really?
Yeah, I will be the algorithm anyways.
I do not care about the algorithm. I see so many people posting on their storeys like, Did this pop up in your face?
Oh, that's when you don't have another way of making money. Yeah. When you're relying on it, very conscious. Is is the money drying up? Do you think for people making on Instagram?
Probably saying, Yeah, I'll be up in your feed.
I don't think it's drying up. But I think brands are using it in different ways. So they're not going to I spoke at Facebook head office sec, I'm a pretty big deal with something I was saying there was that not to minimise what fashion bloggers do but you don't necessarily have to trust them. Because if someone walked past you now wearing a dress I liked, I might go and buy it. I have no relationship with that person. I don't trust them. But if that same person walks in, and guys, I just used the best moisturiser, it's going to change your life, I'd be like, Okay, well, what's your skin? Like? What did it look like yesterday, tell me about the product. So there needs to be a dialogue, what brands would doing up until probably the CEO was going to beauty brands sorry, we're going to fashion bloggers with 200,000 followers and getting them to promote a product, but then not getting any sales from it because people aren't following, you know, such and such because they want their beauty retain their falling into their wardrobe. So now brands are being a bit smarter and they're going to the gym is and the ones that don't like I don't have a massive following in the grand scheme of things. But I know that if I recommend a product, they're going to sell a few of it.
And so do you what do you geek out? At in the process? Do you like the right like writing copy? That sounds like what what's what's
my favourite thing is just tapping into different voices because the brands that I work with, like there's one way I have to write as though I'm a 35 year old mother of four. And then there's others where I'm like a 16 year old so I like to sitting down and like Who am I today? What
is the process she takes yourself to Franklin sits with the other mother has
got my Ugg boots on my denim shorts and I just go for it.
How do you get into the mode?
It comes pretty naturally I think maybe because I'm a theatrical person so I yeah, it doesn't take there's not like a ritual to it. I'm just I'm pretty methodical Yeah.
yells at me driving right and
and what were you What were you like? You were saying about being bullied and stuff? What were you like in school? What were you
a school early primary school I was painfully shy for that reason. And then I snapped out of it. But when I we were talking about this when I walked in before I was like Primary School captain. Then in high school. I was Junior School Capital Middle School Captain vice school Captain missed out on school, Kavita, but I like to call it the people's captain.
Well, I've like it's amazing how similar I was vice captain. But I had to cracks it up though. Because you 10 like we go on to a new campus for year 11 and 12. You 10 I would start like school captain was when I was in middle school.
Would you say you were bullied Josh?
Yeah, but I didn't give a fuck. So when you don't care, I think that it Yeah, it's a little it feels less like bullying and more like,
I'm just seeing some correlation between people who ran for those kind of school roles and getting bullied.
Or maybe it's high school I was I had a really good time in high school. There was some girls in the level above me. Now that I look back. I'm like, that is cyberbullying. Because I wouldn't post photos. I was big on that pose that like with the hand on the hip and the very exaggerated lane so then they would post photos doing the same thing. And then I write something about me in the caption, but it didn't bother me my full
beauty blog when you were younger, did you I don't think
that comes as a surprise to anyone because I used to take a photo of myself in the mirror with my like big day SLR I would take a mirror photo of my makeup of my outfit whenever I was going anywhere. I would take my camera out with me and then
yeah, so you like you're a couple of years younger than me What was that? Like? I got the very tail end of Facebook was instagram
instagram was not school in 2010 so Graham wasn't part of it. My Space was
I was pumping yeah that's Yeah. MSN
lately and then sign like appearing offline and then appearing online so that you crush with that? Oh,
yeah, you could put like a
hot quotes calm and just copy and paste with all the characters kind of know how to do like the keyboard characters but it's real.
My girlfriend's reminded me quite recently that in grade six I had in my ms in name Gemma dilemma. I don't have a crush on Alistair anymore.
That should be a year into Can you change?
Yeah, I'm gonna change it.
That would be the one before I seek you. Did you ever think you Yeah. Crazy. I remember speaking to some random.
Yeah, I never did the whole public chat and stuff. No, no. The closest thing would have been like, probably 2012 when chat raw, it was a big thing. And I was
like, I'm gonna do yeah, I'm just I don't want deep pics. I constantly think someone's stalking me. So I missed a beat. Didn't care. What do you mean? Have you heard anyone?
yeah. This is a this is another thing that at the time, I sort of brushed it off and then I was talking to someone about it a few weeks ago, and they're like, no, that's fucked up at one of my girlfriend's 21st so this is four or five years ago, a kid who was a few years below me in school and we live in the same area. There's so many pieces of the storey that I haven't told him to get out but he got
really sick currently
working on that for me. He had a friend in band ago or somewhere that way who called him and said I'm in Melbourne on a footy trip Are you at home? And he said yeah, yeah, let's let's go for a drink. These mate picked him up in a van full of boys from the footy team who the sky had never met before one of them goes all you went to Carnegie Massimo Gemma watts and he was like because we used to walk home from school together so he knows Gemma what and then so he was like on I don't know Well, he's made them said oh yeah, you do used to walk home from school together. So then they said Where does she live and then he pointed them in the opposite direction and then he reconciled drive around for an hour calling up my night But that was before I was doing the Instagram thing this was still
Facebook. Why Why could have been Why would they be doing that?
I have absolutely no idea. So Pittsburgh is I'm not someone that's posting like bikini photos. So I feel like that would be Hey,
listen, I mean the tone of the van could have been completely different now we're all super makeup fans. Yeah, top 10 tips for the hit the town and get back to the footy club. We had people on Instagram though, like slightly indie games.
No, it doesn't happen to me I think because of what I'm posting I think something like 85% of my followers of women who just
women and may
Yeah, pretty much bit yeah, I don't think I'm a target for any of that again.
I what I love is people who just share them on Instagram storeys like just like creepers Yeah, just has this crepe
Yeah, I've never received a dick pic which now that I've said that I'm sure that we'll do a talk show audience
hopefully conspiracy Jimmy's not not sending a deep
dive fucking Cindy
hi the daily talk show and we'll filter them
all we had Ryan john friend of ours on the show and he said that he he went out and asked all these people on the straight us doing Vox pops. Do you send the pics and he's like yeah, we send them to the boys like dude sending each other deep pics so that's where really long
that I've never had the boys sort of group of you do
sending photos to each other. One of them does because she has recently had host done but other than that
Oh, she made them show least two girls
and they look amazing so I'm happy to receive that but it's not something that we're sending around some
bizarre thing yes ending a new to a friend
also to pretty bizarre to when you like break it down very busy. Like silicate like you. Like Did you know the the most dangerous type of plastic surgery? Do you know what it is? It was banned in the UK? Yeah. Ah, ok. I didn't even know that was a real like that. That was actually a thing.
Yeah, I mean, I assumed it was because the Kardashians exist yet.
But do you think they had to do it? Like do you really think?
I'm not I've never watched an episode of the Kardashians, so I don't know. But they pop up on the Explore page.
What's your vibe on like cosmetics, like cosmetic surgery and stuff? What would you do
older, I haven't had anything done. I'm not against it. The second or wrinkle pops up here. I'm nipping that in the bud. But I feel like I'm 25 safe. I get asked all the time I lost a bit of white from my face. And people were like, Oh, I see you've had your messages done. Get Botox injected into that part of your Jordan. It seems your face
Tommy and I were talking about we were had a potential client that was like a dental cosmetic surgeon. Yeah. And the question I asked AJ is if we had like an $8,000 quick job for him. And he said, Look, let's do it as a contract deal. But I'll give you $30,000 worth of money. Oh my
god, I want Phineas so bad. I don't think
like it. I don't know if they're like necessarily. Like
my wisdom teeth grew eight years ago, and I they still there. yet. I heard they've pushed all my other teeth out of the way. But
do you think it's sorry. Like I saw Steph Claire Smith got hers done. Yeah. Yeah. And before and after on?
Instagram. So you posted it? Yeah.
It's interesting. Nigel, they lead with it. What's up ladies done? Well, it's because
Yeah, well, I mean, there's probably like, it's a it's a contrarian, probably
the issue that I have, because I'm all like, do whatever you want. If that's going to make you feel good, then all power to you. But my issue is when girls get their like their lips on their boobs or whatever for free. And then they'll post in the caption. I'm not saying that you own a to go and do this. But here is a discount card. For these you want to go and get it done.
What's the deal with asking somebody? I mean,
what do you mean? Like if Have you had your lips on? Yes.
Like, what's it? I get? I get asked that a bit. Like if I've got loopy on. And I've there are ways to trick the eye. But
some people are like I've found and I have asked somebody if they'd had some work done. And they were like, Oh, you can ask me that was like
I'll say, I think you spent that much money on something to be like, Who asked you how much your house is worth? How much you want to.
I'm very rich.
with Mike la. La.
This person was offended, but had clearly had it done. So we think that you're getting something that everyone else sees. But
shame in asking, but I have a girlfriend who this was a couple of years ago she had her lips done. I don't think you meant to go out two hours later and big not out. But she did her face looked like she was swollen. And then she'd had a few drinks and she's like, Don't tell anyone.
No, but I the only exposure I have to cosmetic surgery. His brain loves watching the internet.
I haven't watched it but that appeals to everything that I like watching. I really like trash. So
it is the it's Toronto's Yeah, it's two days. Who will you have people come in and they're like, Oh, yeah, I only wore my compression bra for a day.
happened to it. Like she didn't wear the thing for long enough. And then I started liking Thailand don't do that.
People have am allergic reactions. Yes.
Something foreign that you just
yeah, it's lacking in
there. Yeah, that's how
mentally. Tommy is grabbing my breast.
I'm thinking like, I don't know if I could mentally handle the thought of something. Maybe. I mean, none of us can speak from experience. So it's
maybe I'll get like, I've got a pretty bad handle on maybe I could imagine doing plugs
like that I've ever seen plugs go to
Well, I remember saying it guy I've only ever seen plugs early stage.
The the Yeah, I remember years and years ago, this would have been probably early 2000s, maybe even 90s being at like some sort of car show or something. And my mom saying that. Yeah, mom was like, it's the bug and family having a good weekend and moms like that guy's got plugs. I just remember, it looks like early stages of if you're like seeding for graph, just like quiet inside the gym had it done. He was always bald. And he was a fully play play for like Richmond. And then he played for V FL. But he was born in the
AFL and then started growing at the side. So it was like a bit George Costanza risk. And then all of a sudden walked in full head of hair. And he'd had it done but the glue thing is that like a glue job. If he's headed done well, I think you can get it like surgically sort of installed. So it's not just like a glue job. Welcome off at nine. And so then you get a haircut to blend it into the head of hair at the top. He ended up taking it off and eSports because he looked great. He looked fucking absolute legend. And he but you could always tell he was funny. He's always telling me at the back of his mind. It's like if I've ever got a cold so as you just think everyone's fucking Look at me when I have a pimple. Everyone's fucking look at he had that feeling perpetually lyst. Scott is looking at my fucking head. He's my bald head.
I you too. Yeah. But do you have you become it at all disenfranchised by the industry? And just focusing on how you look? Yeah.
I mean, I think it surprises people to find that i'm not i'm pretty low maintenance, sort of low maintenance, but all going get lack. I will have my eyebrows tinted. So I don't have to do anything to them the six weeks and I'll go and get a spray tan. So I don't have to bet. Yeah, I don't know. I don't care. That obviously I do care about what I look like. But I know it's not my bail. And no, I would rather someone tell me I'm like smart or funny. Yeah, that's Yeah.
And so if you would you be self conscious if someone's like, hey, we've got an event tomorrow night in eSports. Channel, it wasn't available.
No, I would just do it myself.
not really like I've done events and stuff before where I've had to have my makeup done on the stage. So being without makeup doesn't
bother me. Do you think any there's any because I feel like if I was in any sort of industry that was even us doing like YouTube videos or whatever, you start thinking about the way you look a little bit more.
Yeah, I have. I have a complicated relationship with my body from like, the neck down. I'm like, I'm fine. But I think that's probably why fashion wasn't for me, because when I first started working as a fashion editor, it was all about interviewing people and reviewing collections. Now is styling. So it's like personal style and taking outfit photos. I don't like doing that. Because I don't think I'm offering anything different to what is you know, already out there. But also because I'm not a size six. So I think that
you I tie with that like it was all about it.
I am now of course I think it's human to sometimes be lack. Bit most of the time. I'm like, when I was in my body. Yeah, I could starve myself and I still wouldn't. Like this is just the way that I'm built. So I'm pretty fine with it.
Have you done the staffing thing?
No, I did. I was a ballerina for 18 years. So that sort of
Yeah, not starving. But yeah, definitely did some stupid stuff. Men, you know,
what about your girlfriends? Like, I feel like I've got the quality of a lot of female traits. And one of them is my obsession with why Yeah, and just doing dumb shit to like, I've done everything from like juice fasting to Really?
See I just don't care lazy.
Yeah. But do you have like a you? What's your approach to cuz Brian, I talk about it all the time. And she'll then have girlfriend like, it's not just her, she has to then worry about her girlfriend, then, like, send pictures of being like, Oh, look at how this person looks and like, yeah, that,
my friends. I don't know. I pretty much have a blanket rule with my girlfriends. I'm like, if you feel like you're fat, I don't want to hear it. Like I just don't want to hear it. If you feel like shit about yourself. You know? If you're coming to me, of course, I'm going to tell you You look beautiful. So I think I don't know. I don't talk about white with my friends. Is there anything involving numbers? I'm like, not that I've got friends who've had eating disorders, which is so rough, and then I sound really selfish. But that then makes me feel that crap because I'm looking at these girls. And I'm like, if I think they look fat, what did I think of may? Which of course they're not thinking of me because it's a mental thing. But it's still Yeah, x me a bit.
how young is too young
to start an eating disorder
to start sort of not eating, and what was
how young is too young to actually start doing makeup and all all of that stuff. Oh,
god, this is my idol. Anything before like 16 even then I didn't wear makeup. We weren't allowed to wear makeup to school, which I'm really thankful for. But young girls are so good at makeup now because of YouTube, like Phaedra just have to watch videos and they're amazing at it. But I just the thing that worries me with young girls doing makeup is that they will get more likes or more views if they're doing YouTube or whatever it you know, the currency may be the more different they make themselves look. So then if they're getting likes, based on looking like a completely different person, there's something in their head that's going on. I need to make myself look more different.
Yeah, you told me about that on your podcast.
Yes, yeah. Yeah. And she bought it.
Yeah, she's bought on that. scares maybe. And now I've got girlfriends now that are primary school teachers and high school teachers, their kids for grade six graduation that rocking out with a full face of makeup, which
means to save in the fashion of young girls. It's sexualized
very much so i think i went the other way because I started dancing when I was three. So to me makeup was full stage. Yeah. And it was so heavy and that great night.
Live just a big stage, Jim.
That's I can't do it. I think for me, I was. Yeah, I was like, why would you want to paint yourself to be something else to go to school?
Yeah, it's a lot of work. But that's how I feel about my hair. Like that's one of the things that I'm quite ashamed of is my hair. And the thing is that it's I mean, that sounds quite dramatic. No, but it's that is that thing of like maintenance like I'm worried that like I had a moment of maybe I'll be a curly haired guy. Maybe I start like some sort of conditioning
No, well, I think it's just too much thought.
How much do you think about your hair? A lot? Yeah,
my hair is my leg. The thing that I care the least about? Naturally Very good.
Very often do you hear?
pretty often it grows really quickly. Um, but I Josh is
like legitimately fascinated
and that's another thing I get off all the time like where did you get your hair
oil or something or what do you
this is i got i normally get it Dhaka and then this is just a fighting slider at the end.
Do you like it the day that it gets done because Bry Shanley gets her hair cut maybe once every year because the thing is, I was just so all both over every single time she had her head on should cry.
say I've never I all of my friends elect that I just as long as the face looks and whatever else is
happening, your insurance is at least you're
going to say my headline.
I think is definitely too much thought thought to a Josh. But what about
what about the we were listening to some YouTubers talking on a podcast and they were talking about they wanted to be more intentional. Yeah. And then all of a sudden they're like, Yeah, I just don't like how my hair isn't intentional like, and these guys had better head and Tommy like just like slicked like not slick slick. In a bit like Wolf of Wall Street. Just like really?
I see I was immediately thinking.
Well, I think there's a scale right? Because I walk into the bathroom at Fitness first. And I see in the mirror. I thought he's smart. Guy, there's a guy in there that's got his pack. He's got his face moisturiser. Good. Like he's got a bunch of the everyone should be. I'm just fucking stuffing the clothes into my bag. Like I've got nothing with me. He didn't even bring deodorant. And I look over and think fuck me, that guy thinks about this a lot. But hey, this is that's probably the norm for him.
Yeah, my routine is extensive, but I'm not thinking about it. It's just like second nature,
which is probably how these guys and I just think about like where I am and what you are. I think we're all just on the scale. I'm on the serum scale. I do a little bit
well only went from sun damage. Like when I was travelling with brain I was just like, I can have a little bit of
you did get it was
just we're just like it was so dry.
absolute nightmare. The podcasting. What's your vibe on podcasting? Mad for it? Yeah,
mad for I wanted to do it for so, so long. Because like all I do all day is listen to podcast because I like if I was music, I would go like I'd start choreographing in my head was just not super productive.
Just the big stage a
little bit. Um, yeah, I was just listening to all of we Busey podcasts. There's, there's a few good ones in Australia, but not the kind of content that I wanted to cover. And then the stuff that I really liked was coming out of the US and the UK. So I just did my classic. Like, there's the gap, you're just gonna slap myself into it.
How do you find listening to podcasts while you work? Because if you're, I know that, like, I can't listen when I'm editing. Like I've actually started a rule literally three hours ago. So it's very early days, early Dyson about sitting in the car. And there was a 40 minute podcast, and I arrived at the office. And I was like, if I'm going to listen to a podcast, I can't do it. be doing it seated. I need to be like going around and walking. But I can't listen while I'm writing. I can't listen while I'm editing. What you're
I think maybe because I'm a woman so I can do two things at once.
Did you really listen to podcast? Why right?
Yeah, big time.
Especially. I can't listen to music with lyrics
like just music. Like, all of a sudden, I'll be riding like I kissed a girl. back you know, I can put thrown some Katy Perry,
which I mean, depending on the client that
Yeah, I listened to a lot of business why I can't listen to that truecar while I'm working because then I do get hooked to business ones because then I'm like, work harder. And more money. But I am already super rich.
And so do you like what is how regimented Are you with all your work stuff?
Very, I lack retain I lack order. I lack having structure. Everything's
so what is it? Describe that routine?
Well, I'm a morning person. I hate when people say they're a morning person. I think time really seeks
it's a morning I had someone like I think even Tim Ferriss talked about us wanting to start doing mornings and like 8am that's like no
way slipped him. Because he works like writes like,
say Chris has a comment on my part as a GP. So it's he's always up early. So that's kind of changed my body clock. It's not moving. I love getting up in the morning. And these these in these is just that is one time that I'm up, then. I don't know I like working from home. Because if I'm wide awake at 630 and I want to start working, I can just do
it. And so what does it look like? So you you have like a laptop? Yeah.
Where do you actually got a separate office?
Right, because I still mooch off my parents. Perfect.
I do that for never
moved. We're trying to buy a house.
So and how was the vibe on that? Do you were you being at home still versus having friends that are away from home? They're all still most of them
at home? Yes. Howdy
25 2016. Two weeks? Time Tommy get out.
By in the next 12 months? Yes, yeah. So maybe it didn't make sense to ranch because I would need a separate office. And then I'm paying like twice as much as I need to.
So Chris leaves at your parents fine.
He leaves with his best mate down the road. But his family lives in rosebud. So he used to commute back and forth every day. Yeah, geez. Yeah.
So what do you think that for so long? Well, you could live down there.
I only learned how to drive probably less than three months ago. So
for the first time, you hadn't even good URLs.
I had my else but I just kind of
what is it like my brain was like, but when I say like she was 19 2025 is pretty. What was the what was the psychology behind the driving thing.
I like to be the best at everything. And I got behind the wheel of a car and I was like, I'm not the best at the saw. Let someone else do it. And I'll just focus on things that I am the best is the funniest approach. Yeah, as much as I would love to say, because I care so much about the environment. No, I lazy again. It's just
like I reckon to be able to be successful in your freelancing and stuff. The lazy thing to like it, do you catch yourself saying it and realising that you like bullshitting a little bit? Yeah,
definitely. I'm trying my best for liable But truly, I am the best at everything. So I work. Driving a car was actually not so bad. And I don't know how I went so long without doing it.
What was the first like lesson like?
Well, I had, like I had driven before and I hadn't asked whole teacher when I was 18. And I was like, No, no, no, this is not for me. And then one of my girlfriends who has really really bad anxiety recommended her driving instructor and even her mom said if she can do it, anyone can learn how to drive and he was a legend. What was he like? He was he was great so he was very lack just like a relaxed
super relaxed and I made it sound like not a big deal yeah
yeah, I don't know guy named Dennis and he would always say around
but what he didn't have an accent when he would say
every time I did something well he'd back beard off
a certain type I was driving behind one the other day and I was like it was like a driving instructor I was like on the sky It was me
it was because I was
so mocking that no certain type of person that takes on that role that would give me the most anxiety ever just with someone who's she said drive it Yeah, it's like I couldn't help myself. I had a instructor once and I had to switch him because he was an idiot. And then I got another one who then was like to see if you need it was
he didn't get it No I
didn't think I got it was a trip It was like x party dude is not but we always had a bunch of our mates had a hell Lucy's He's
my assessor when I went for my licence. I had a hangover, so I don't know that I should have passed but what suburb Did
you go to which be corrodes
one of the ones that starts with the base so it can be one of two.
Deny Rodney. I just know did say I'm more like Danny No, no, it was always
the thing is like you can go to the outer suburb ones.
Because as long as you can, there's a huge delay like to be able to get because the year that I got my licence was the year they toughen things up. I failed the first time. So annoying. Tried to fuckin change lanes in a roundabout annoying. They tricked me that I was in the I was in the left line and they asked me to go on the ride. But it was at pride anyway. It doesn't matter. It's all good. So you you driving a bit then Well, no, yeah,
I caught the bus here because I didn't want to find a car park screw but also, guys, like from my house to hear so
much respect about the bus thing. I love it. It's very humbling.
Because you actually sat in Paris and had to go home. Oh, yes,
I did. I was a vocal about this on Instagram. I don't know that it was confused. But it was a good storey short it was I got on the boss. And I was going to like an important meeting and I was wearing a lot denim so that'll show anything sat down and filters like a squelch for lack of a better word here.
jumped up sort of
you know, and then had to get off the bus take I had a like a blazer on had to tie that around my waist and call my mom. Can you come up the road?
All I can say is better than a syringe. Yeah, the nice thing is that I remember guy who said on a serene
Oh my god, that doesn't happen in
Yeah, that's that's disgusting.
Yeah, it wasn't great. Did you sniff it? Yeah. Did
a little bit okay.
So you're not driving. You're not driving to clients and stuff yet? Like, you
know, I do that. I really?
Yeah. I got good parking. Yeah, a five year drive into the city. No.
I drive the show grounds. That was fun. Flemington,
right. Yeah, we got it. Right. You went to the right.
I didn't drive to the prices.
Was this conference? Why did you go to the
mall? Yeah, I was speaking at business cheeks and always like three days after I got my licence. And everyone was saying don't don't drive there.
So nervy Have you had a car crash? No.
No, I haven't. I had I've only had one person one the wind don't we know down and abused me. And then I pointed out that they were driving the wrong way down one way straight. And where did I win?
But it's a lot of yelling to have to like to explain that. I just
sort of sat there and just sort of like nodded and waited until he was done and then
what is your boyfriend said about you know, having losses
he said a lot. He
was bless him. He was he had he's a big fan of that show entourage. So his the way he kind of rationalised driving me everywhere was that hey, was my total
Yeah, so he did that for
a while robbing us yeah
that's correct. Yeah, but he's a bit pissed off that I got my licence now that he lives two suburbs away and not while he was living in Roseburg
it's a good relationship builder
money for petrol on petrol no he dead rose. Does he make you kicking money for Pedro
never brain I were talking about she used to catch a lift when she was doing a tape course she was doing she had to I say that but it was it was a tape course. So she got a diploma and columns or whatever the fuck it was but she used to get a lift or that's right because it was the you know when you didn't get the score you wanted and you'll go to like a middle like it sort of thing it was it was that sort of deal. And it wasn't a whole segment on it was like for Deacon they had their one and three PT
type course first before I moved over to journalism because the Enter when I it or whatever it's called was like 99
I got 46 on my into things we were all defending ourselves against the bankers who got better, actually. And we've got Mr. 97 in 97
Yeah, I did hear that
is already as I said tight he was panicked
via what's going on. He mentioned the You don't look as smart as you are. I
didn't say that.
Bray would get cat she didn't have a licence for the first year and should catch a lift with a guy. And the weirdness of it was I don't think like nowadays I would be like pay like pay for petrol or whatever. But there was this weird thing at the end of like the semester he was sort of like asking.
It ended up giving.
Where's this guy? Yeah.
He realised that you have fucking silica,
BlackBerry, Razor Blackberry. She gave him her old blackberry Oh, she's
been young when we had our licences and it was
great but we always cheap in for petrol because you young and got no cash. Yeah. Check us a father. The petrol station but as you know, I've never I don't know, Roscoe J.
That was my girlfriends if we're doing that good girls weekend, but
yeah, he's never been shit is so difficult.
Yeah, it is. I was having this conversation last week when we're at dinner. And we had all the bill. Yeah, we'd all a lot of different things. But the three of us were like, No, we'll just split it evenly would not faze but I've got friends. So we'll go. Yes, but I'm Gemma, you actually had one more glass of wine than I did. So
my bit would be the other people who live at home as well. Yes. And so the frugal and wanting to Yeah.
I have no understanding of the value of money. So I'll like I'll have two drinks and I'll get everyone around and then I wake up the next morning and that you are trying to buy a house.
Yeah, he caught doing this. Have you read the Barefoot investor?
I started writing it and because Chris was like it's amazing. I
got behind you.
So I went to my accountant the other week and he Hey, Scott, I see you have an IRA account for like just a fee attacks for the Steve obviously read the Barefoot investor. No, that's just common sense. Like Of course I have separate accounts
for though a lot of it is just common sense. I think that's like the So what you're saying is a lot of people like common sense.
My Bible ism on fuck your finances. That's like the female body. Interesting.
I'm Elisa Brown. Is she was he? Yeah, she's amazing. I'm fuck your finance. Yeah.
Give us one other tip of podcast if we were to listen to one other podcast shameless shame. Yeah. Spit also, every Monday. They're all it's good. They're on a schedule every Monday. I know. You're going to get it. Yeah, yeah, right. Anything else? What else is going on for the rest of the day? pasteurise chillin. Done. Yeah, really? Gonna take the bus home?
Probably what she's gonna get Hi, good day. I sit on a miles.
Could you walk home from here? You'd have to walk out
of nowhere. That is where you live. Mr. 97? Why Montalembert? Yeah. School.
Did you finish
maybe you could catch the bus?
Exactly. He was Yeah, he was sort of
also doesn't have his licence? It do. Yeah.
But he's also just
drive when you can get driven.
My friends like that doesn't count if you're being driven
by the bus driver. It sounds like some sort of Mikey campaign. But what is the company that does the buses? Like it's not like, you got like Metro
geometric renderers. Was that like the?
No, but I heard you guys talking about black comics. And
I remember that. Yeah.
And they all nice now. They all like the electric type of deal. Yeah.
Maybe that's just the
and I'm just trying to get a sense of it is it was today, okay.
I just want like, small amount of people
move to the country move to the bush. Yeah,
then but then I probably it'd be easy enough to drive.
It's a country mile to do this whole show. We got emails, we're trying to do much better job with our emails, because it's.
I sent an email once and you guys read it out?
Yeah. Jim. Jim, I
know you sent us a photo of your old school. Yeah. And they did 2008 and I burned into the grass using
Dan Bay. Principal knows who it was as well. And Mr. 97?
what are the what are the what's the video that I got? Those kids get suspended for? Yeah, they had a porn star intro to our so they had they reached out to her and said, Can you do an intro for our interview video? And she wrote back, she said one back? He showed me. Yeah, she
goes on to say what was she wearing?
She has cousin.
got suspended. suspended.
To daily talk show everyone hyper daily talk show.com the email that I was going to mention was about this. We had an email from someone who the name is just as sorry, see why. Right. And so they were asking, we did a call out last week about stickers. We can give you some
This is why we
are transparent. So they don't have to worry about that yellow bit. But no, we got a name.
Just between that in the chocolate. The that we received an email from someone who said hello. I was wondering if there are any stickers still available? Thank you. And my vibe on it was that I think that this person may have been searching the internet for free sticker. Yeah, definitely. And don't don't don't actually listen to the show, don't you think?
Yeah. And so I automatically when that's fucking elaborate. Just the stickers. Yeah, but people will do it.
So anyway, I, I put a call out I think it was on Thursday of last week, and said if see why can email me? Yes. I would give $50 cold hard cash.
It's Tommy's money for my No, but got nothing from them. However, just to seal the deal. On Saturday, I emailed and said, Hi. Yep. What's your address? And they said, nice. Thanks so much. Here's my address. They gave me their address. So I don't know what to do. I guess I just send the signal
in this country.
I don't think they were listening. If you are in Chicago, and you are stickers and your name is see why on the email. Michelle wrote to us and said, catching up still catching up slowly, stickers thing. Some people like me might not know whether the stickers thing is still on, if we're behind on episodes, and she said but the main reason I'm writing this did Josh lose his 50 bucks?
Well, we still don't know because I think it's still applies if they're behind and they just care now. And I get to the office.
I just I just kind of why just kind of keep 50 bucks just hanging around until I see why like we're sending say why stickers. So that's good enough.
I'm super fascinated. See ya if you are listening.
So glow journal. I understand the podcast stuff. You do do a regular blog as well. Oh,
yeah, I got a bit slack on the blog for a bit but now I just transcribe all of the podcast content market on there.
I had you had. The interview I really liked was with the dude who started we're actually
he's a genius. Yeah, I could have sat there for the whole day.
I didn't realise it was so old, like 1990 Yeah,
but it's only exploded recently.
And they were in like Richmond.
Yeah. Yeah, the building looks like nothing from outside. And then you go in and like a lab. Yeah. Yes. It's amazing. Awesome.
Thanks, Mike. Thanks for coming in having me go talk show hybrid, our talk show.com if you want to send us an email Otherwise, we'll see tomorrow. So you guys