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worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket is the daily talk show from Los Angeles a year I was taking the flight five hours wow what a different place this is we've already had in an hour

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right in an app is believable The thing is so we've talked about on the show about those people that go man they leave work and go to the pop up store and Melvin ever had one in Windsor. Yeah, they had a pop up in and out store in Windsor and Melbourne, and up in Sydney, and people fucking lost their marbles. marbles. And I know why now.

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Yeah, that they significantly better then Shake Shack.

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Yeah, so we so last time I was here 2012 in both New York and LA. And I have to say I was probably more impressed by the Shake Shack in New York. And I went there first. So I went straight into New York. But this time we flew straight to New York and we had it and it was horrible shakes.

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No, I think SHAKE SHAKE was okay, there. You're recovering from your voice is going on now.

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Yeah, it's it hasn't. This has

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been a bit of a nightmare with this thing coming out. It's a bit of a cluster fuck at the last episode with Eddie. I was doing a little bit of a heavy lifting but I had a voice. But that was fine. No bit. I think Shake Shack is good for the thick shakes. burger wise I think in and out Absolutely. slams Yeah.

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Shake Shack. Yeah. My match. It's a it's more of a an actual book. I don't know. We're pretty lucky in Melbourne. In Australia. There's so many good burger places. Now. Do you think there's

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so much of us talking about how good Australia is on this trip already?

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Know, but it is. I love America. I feel like I'm at Willy Wonka's Wonderland. It is it is everything there is so much as I like call it the the land was the land of opportunity. Yeah, they call it that. And it's got it has that. It's also got the other end of it. Yeah. And so like I feel, I feel like I going to New York first. It can be tough. Because coming back here It feels slow.

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Yeah. Well, we didn't have a car in New York because you just can't imagine trying to have a car in New York.

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Can you give any Teresa got there? Oh, she get a cow stuck in Manhattan. It's pretty funny.

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I wonder if anyone Hi, the daily talk show.com. If you've ever rented a car and been in New York City for the main part of it. Crazy.

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I like being able to say I've done something because I like having memory of something. Yeah, I think driving in different countries. Yeah, I'd like to I would like to drive in New York City. still get the vibe driving

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in Italy was crazy enough. Yeah, for me. But so we went to Alamo where we're picking up the rental car arriving to LA x. And putting the details went through the self checkout kiosk thing. We had a booking through rental cars.

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Since I was in America 2012 there was no automated check and check ins.

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So that that was nice, but then a little bit of a cluster fuck little bit with. I was the main driver on the booking. And it turns out that my licence, my Victorian driver's licence expired today, the day that we were back in picking up the car,

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what are the chances because he hadn't looked at it now, but we only knew because as soon as you said Kane, your name and your driver's licence number, and then it automatically said

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the expiry date was today

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Jason went red

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to skip the skip this bit. So anyway, we spent an hour and a half at Alamo trying to sort it out speaking to rental cars.com. Turns out during all of this Bray tells me owned by booking.com. The company that I had thought that I was banning had somehow infiltrated and it was very upsetting because I yeah, you were there you have not you have you have not learned anything from geeks with no. Go straight to the source. Yeah, you could have gone straight to Ella. Well, we tried to we basically, rental cars was like look at rental cars.com was saying you can't change the main driver. Yeah. And so we had to cancel that booking last like three days of rental.

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I think it's almost inside of me. I guys fair game. You pay like $20 a day for a car. Like so cheap, hard to get those prices in Melbourne. Yeah. And you only get that because you going through some online website. Yeah.

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And then it's a pain in the ass. But anyway, so we're going over x over x around see how see how that goes?

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Yeah, well, it's it is a different game over here. There's there is Uber car. Like in New York. There's Uber cars everywhere. Uber drivers, Lyft drivers, and they they need a licence. He was speaking that guy in New York. And he was like, yeah, the licence. When I arrived, the guy was telling me it cost him two grand to actually get the licence to drive on Manhattan. I don't think it's the same here. Yeah, it's it's, I think it's a free for all.

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What do you what are your memories of Los Angeles last time you were here?

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Just blue sky. Palm trees.

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Have you been so we're at the grove right now we're sitting next to a place that's called What is it? Bob's? Bob's donuts? Yeah, something like Bob stones. Say? Did you spend time at the grove last time you hear?

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What I find funny is like, you know, time between trips to a place and your perspective changes on something. And so for me, the memories of this place were fond and so good. There's so much happening. Like, it's like this market. It's like bustling. Yeah. And

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there's lots of food places already driven parts the place that you stayed at?

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, that. Yeah, that's, that's another bank of memories. That was great. But I'm not that person from 2012. And this place isn't what it was in 2012. What I think either we get I've got snobby, or it's just become really touristy,

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because it feels specific. Are you talking about the Grove? specific? Yeah, Los Angeles?

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No, no, I think. Yeah, I like it. It's cool. I think it was more novel in 2012. Because I don't think we had anything whitelist in Melbourne. Yeah. to this to this degree where it's like, shopping centre Plaza market.

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So what were you doing day to day when you were in Los Angeles last time?

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Just thinking I was cool.

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We catching up with vape? No, I went

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on that the Hollywood immersive thing that I know the first time I came. We were just yeah, just going out for dinner. Know what I've been thinking about a lot in on this trip? Because I am thinking about how much money I was winning. Yeah. I was trying to channel my thoughts around money. And what I was thinking then I had a credit card. I wasn't thinking I didn't max it out. But I didn't care about what I was spending.

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Yeah, there's there's a huge difference between using credit card versus using the cold hard cash. Yeah, I've definitely noticed that even with Europe, with us actually putting that money aside, and how you just say things different. Like you're looking at conversions more? Yeah, it's a bit of a different ball game.

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What's the learning when it's your own money? I think that it's

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budgeting, I think he's budgeting is good. Because what budgeting does is it's, it's not it gives you the flexibility to be able to day to day, not have to worry about it at all. Yeah, and be able to weekly, especially when you're going for a long period of time, like brain I were away for three and a half months. We could just look on a grander scale of every week and say, how are we going? And so we could we had times where it's like, we spent three $290 on dinner for the two of us. But it's not a thing of like, you know, you have that. But there's also you also have enough buffer and padding that you're going to be able to use spend way less somewhere else. So you decide rather than catching a train, you know, or whatever it is. You will do a bus

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Yeah, yeah, it's definitely careless. When I came over here last

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Yeah, I mean, the the didn't have a kid and a wife single and being given it does make a difference. Do you think the the Australian culture within the US it's like its own breed? Isn't it? Yeah. Like the even when we're in New York, the Australian cafes seeing the Australian baristas. Yeah. I think it could be like we spoke with Reese. Mitchell. Yeah, I think there's probably they could be a tendency to fall into that world. What to fall into, like to the being an Australian being an ally. And just doing that, like if I moved to LA. They I feel like they could be

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that that could be enticing surrounding yourselves. Yeah. Although what I've noticed, like I haven't noticed is maybe haven't been looking for. I haven't noticed as many as the accents. I mean, we've been talking to people. I definitely have noticed one family based on the credit card though using one I've got, which is an Australian credit card. Yeah. And then I was like, they are Australian. This is speaking. But I haven't noticed. There was so many people here. Yeah. Like you said, we talked about Australia being great to match with like, it is so different. It is so different.

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And the different the different types of coaches and people and like tomorrow we have Greg in a mirror who they have a podcast called maybe it's you. And they they wrote the book, he's just not that into and get straight into the movie. Yeah. Which turned into the movie. But you think about that you think about people who make writing books that are turning into massive Hollywood household name. Yeah, that

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was giant, so many super elite celebrities in that field. Yeah.

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And so I think that there is that culture to which is like, thinking big. We've got Joshua fields, Milburn from the minimalists coming on the podcast who is in like, that's the other spectrum, which is like, Netflix documentary blowing up in a completely different way. Yeah. And so I'm definitely excited to explore that, you know, I which is the, the different way everyone seems to be making it, or trying to make it Yeah, but they're doing it all in completely different fields. But mechanisms. I think

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there's more fields now. If maybe it's it's all about, like, say when you start podcasting, you notice more podcast, yeah. Or is it that podcast is actually becoming popular? Definitely. I think about what I was actively looking for or thinking of? Yeah, at the time when I was here last, and it feels different. It feels like it's a bit more. A bit more fair play for more people now. Yeah. which changes the game

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do you think it's more accessible?

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Yeah, I think it's more accessible because like chance

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died that might sound different. Yeah. Through the audio to my evil was that was that was the throat Yeah, he's right. Yeah. It's like, close that my voice is not amazing, guys.

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It's good that you can even talk about

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it. Yeah. Different like coming over here to be a list. Celebrity actor. isn't the only thing that you can come here to do. Yeah, one of the biggest celebrities here is like Logan Paul. Like

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I wonder how many people actually know Logan Paul and

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Rakim man I've seen like, huge celebrities talk about him. So he's known by the big upper echelon of celeb status people. Yeah, Joe Rogan talks about him. So there's like, he's cross cross through for many various reasons. Good and bad. But like, he's a dude who bought a $7 million mansion in the hills. He's 21 and he's a YouTuber.

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So what was that? You've spoken about a little bit but the immersive quarter the course that you did, yeah. What what does it actually entail?

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Well, it was a it's still running. So you can come over here. And it's I guess gives people a taste of what it's like, trying to make it in LA. And it was nice dragons know those people from Gaza. I shared a room with a guy named Mark Percy lovely dude, who was from London. Okay. And so and but there is. So there's that I was doing the hosting immersive. There's like an acting immersive and a dancing immersive, which is like just a programme where you're delving into becoming an actor and doing classes with different people. And so we did this for Hollywood immersive when we want it. I won the trip. I made a video. And I told a storey and you footage from the trip that I did the second that jewels land thing. So this happened after that, literally a couple of months after I won the trip. And I was back in LA like three months later, I was back in LA which is crazy.

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How long did it go for?

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I only went for two weeks. And so you lived in this house in the Hollywood Hills. And it was just like they hired. So there's all these houses in the Hollywood Hills that you can just hire by know eBay. Pretty much it was like through agencies and stuff. And this one we had had like a Soner in one of the bedrooms and pool that was epic. And so as I have you out over the Hollywood Hills and so you felt like I did. I guess it's a bit of theatre as well of like, we're in the heels. We're going down to Whole Foods to get food they might be celebrity.

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So my seems like the equivalent of the Japanese tourists who go to Europe getting photos for their wedding. Do they? Yeah, yeah. That's a thing. So that's Yeah, the Yeah, a lot of Asian countries like the the the bride and groom will go to different parts and they'll get like, there's actually whole businesses that supply the photography. The even the outfits. That's amazing. Yeah. So they'll have their wedding and then they got like, part of the post wedding thing is like, let's go to Paris and get all beautiful, you know Venice and get beautiful photos. What

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is it? Like? Is that about it? Is that the honeymoon? Or is that?

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It seems like it seems more like a photoshoot than I am and doesn't it?

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Well, I mean, the people I was in the house with so you end up being there you you wake up there's a private chef that cooks for the house.

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What sort of meals Oh, I

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some pancakes. Like some some healthy stuff. Eggs like a buffet in the morning fruit salad.

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And you wouldn't believe mixed with all the dances and stuff is no no. So they keep it individual. How many people in the group? It was

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12 of us in the house? Maybe more?

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Because when I think about presenting I don't think about Hollywood. Did they talk about the fact because like obviously you've got big movie stars. Ryan Seacrest, okay, yeah, Ryan Seacrest

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here.

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So Bry is just bringing some donuts right now for heavy from Bob's. That's okay. Bridges said she stopped recording Bray has just brought it yet donuts from Bob's.

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Do I smell good? Yeah. Oh, is that one. I love it. He

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is just this is like Krispy Kreme. Okay. Oh,

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wouldn't be it wouldn't be an episode if we didn't have done because we're at balls. No, but you're right, like, presented even in 2012? I don't know. I think when I 2012. I think presenting is dying in that in that space where you think Josh? His mouth is watering? Yeah, it's it I think present being a TV presenter is is dying. Because there's people that just pick up cameras and me YouTube stars. Same thing, but without specifically targeting the, like, the TV presenter on YouTube as well. No, no, they weren't. They're definitely not teaching as YouTube. But there was some good things that came out of it. But it was a funny thing. It was the first time I and I made a conscious decision to do this. And I had a bit of confidence because I won the trip already. Yeah, I went to when I when I got here, I was like, I'm going to put my hand up. The Josh is trying to get photos from

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No idea.

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He's just gone as that you're just

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trying to get a photo of me with the dinette will put it on the daily talk show Instagram. I'm glad we got that. Okay, good.

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So I did this thing where I

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still have many daily sit down writing on the mobile now because the truth is just getting video. Like, you know, here.

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So I tried this. And it's an interesting thing. Maybe you should try it in whatever you do whatever job you're in you if you're going into some conference. And I think Seth talks about it a bit to say like, when you're in set when you when you're somewhere and you have the opportunity, put your hand up.

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And so where did you put your hand up? Do you think

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that there was something that required a response from the group? And I just put my hand on wheels? And definitely made me stand out in this group. I hope it was conscious. Yeah. I speak okay. Yeah. Because I already had the confidence of winning this

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with anyone more confident in you. Do you think at the like, just with a big egos at this sort of event saying I had to be gay? Yeah.

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No, I totally think I don't think I was coming from, of course have an ego but i think

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i don't think it was that bravado. Was there anyone with more bravado than that?

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No. No, I don't know. I don't think shy. And so but it worked in my favour because people thought Oh, I remember people like complimenting on my skill. And I don't know, I didn't know if I have this skill. Really? Did

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you meet Tommy d? at this event? Yeah. Yeah. So

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Tommy days are made he he's doing a lot in the health and fitness Tom primal on Instagram. We've spoken about him because I mentioned that I was following his model account for a bit there, which I think he's discontinued. annoyingly. Well, yeah, I didn't meet Tommy.

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So we had mutual friends. But he was the personal trainer that would train us every morning.

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And so why it was his his. That was his gig for the thing to try

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flying out from Australia, because Australia more than Lily Dawson created Hollywood immersive. And that's cool. Going. Yeah. And they. They flew Tommy at and he was going and I knew he was the trainer on it. And I messaged him, because we had mutual friends. And I said, Let's catch up before you go, we go. And so we ended up booking our flights in similar times and getting the three four days early. That's good getting over he's made a friend. And now he's one of my best mates.

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Yeah, I think that there's there's some, there's definitely just like putting your hand up. There's definitely the thing in sending the email. Like if we think about the theme of these podcasts what we've been able to do, even just in our time in New York, yeah, it's like sending the email to Seth reaching out to Brad, you know, getting Eddie on, like, all of those, all of those things wouldn't have happened if we didn't, you know, be a little bit vulnerable. put ourselves out there.

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Yeah, putting your hand up is saying, hey, I want a part of this, or Hey, I've got something to add to this. And even if you I think I shoot myself when I put my hand up at conference, no, that's asked my question my

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beats like no, tomorrow we either when I asked a question when I was behind the camera, I didn't know if you were at that event. I was. I was filming. I was filming an event. It was till was with me. But literally, like there was a q&a time. I was literally just hired as a camera guy. It's a management. It's like a corporate management event. I've got a stove and I put up my hand and just asked the question, and I got a round of applause. That's amazing. But I had a lot of anxiety about it is

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I don't want to try to one up. You know, I love one out good. I was filming the guy who owns Messina. The amazing ice cream place. This was years ago up in Sydney. And I'm literally a metre away from him where I am. And there was a crowd sort of like this circle behind me. And so I was like, ducking down. And it was q&a time. Everyone was a few people but the hand I got straight in there. Even though I was behind the camera. I said to him, when are you going to get atm?

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When are you gonna get on cod facilities? What do you say everyone laughed so hard.

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And at that time, they've got it now. But that time there was like, it was the biggest things. You need cash for this ice cream restaurant,

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out the door, but then they set it up. So you hadn't used to use their fucking app? Yes, I didn't connect with PayPal or some shit. I was like,

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and he laughed. And he's like, no, he was like, honest to God. We literally just haven't got around to doing the business went grew so quickly. And he's like, we actually just haven't got around to it, which is a bit of me and he said it sounds like what the local fish and chip shop saying Yeah, right. We haven't got around.

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Yeah, but the that's what I mean, we've spoken about before but one of the things about us is the the cards and the cat like you go to some places Cash Only then it's caught on like on the US chip. How many I don't know how many times I've tried to use pay pass and it's just fucked up. They don't want you to do it. Yeah. Why? I've no, I don't really understand.

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different perspectives. Yeah. From travelling.

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What? Spain? So you know, for first half being in New York. What do you what have you taken away from our time in New York City is it is an energy about New York that fuels you and defeat you?

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Yeah, maybe it's the time difference in the jet lag and changing that up? Yeah, but I definitely felt the energy. And la brings a different energy and you can feel it already.

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Yeah. What is that? And it what's the shift? Do you think?

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It's just not as it's known as Go Go? Go? You know, I yeah, no income income in comparison to New York? Yeah. In comparison to Melbourne LA is fast.

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Yes. So many be like, there's gonna be a lot of try even though we don't have a rental car. Yeah, like there will be a little bit of bit of driving

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around here. I remember just we had a car last time we were here. Yeah. Because we all had licences that had expiry dates that

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went on die that we're getting the car. And so Europe versus the US brain, I always talking about where we should go to travel. We've been to I've been to the US probably six or seven times. You when it comes to relaxation.

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In the Europe camp, or the US camp, I think you said

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you said it pretty well. It's like when you in a foreign country, it's just a different feeling because of that barrier. Yeah. a foreign country, even Greece, having to think this extra. So the language barrier language barrier and just the cultural difference. Like there's cultural differences here. But the concept of what we experienced at home, so it feels easier, just without the difference. The different language. Yeah. And so, Europe is Europe's tiring. Yeah. It's really tiring. I don't know how you guys did it.

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Yeah. For three and a bit months? Yeah, definitely. I think that it's a maybe cultural shock. What do you think, Rosa?

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I'm just listening and nodding. Don't ask me for my opinion.

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There we go. That's what

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she had a lot to say. She was nothing to say

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that, well, we got such good feedback. When Brian was on I thought we could use her as some form of clickbait

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question. Sorry, because I was half listening on Instagram, half pretending to nod. What was it?

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Was it Europe versus the US when it comes to holiday destination?

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Oh, it depends on where you go. In Europe. It's completely different everywhere. Well, I could for example, Italy was chaotic. But places like London I found actually quite easy to get around. Places like Croatia. Anywhere like that. We sort of made a call and what you sort of mean, they all speak English it so it was kind of easy. I don't know much as much as I find the US easy because you come here. Yeah, they speak your language. You always love driving like by you. I mean, Josh loves driving a car hear me be me so many times. Feels like a second heart. Yeah,

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yeah. Love, love. Until that. Oh, okay. Man done. Yeah, I think there's definitely you know, taking the things that we're learning from New York and applying it to when we come back to Australia. I think that that's that's going to be the biggest key taking the enthusiasm for life. And the the hard bit there is there is a hard element to travel, which doesn't happen when you're at home. But so there's actually you've got more energy at home to be able to do it. You've got more capacity to do shit. Fortunately, the way that we're fucking design travel is that we do more shit when we travel. But really our capacity is less.

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Yeah. Oh, limited time and you cramming so much in? It's a weird thing. Yeah. Because I know I'm thinking about the routine that I have back home. Yeah. And I miss my son and my wife. That's a side point. But just driving disclaimer. They are a part of my routine though. Because they my life. Yeah, world. So it's like, driving down the road. You're listening, James. I know. You're driving down the road right now. That's my

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James.

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Yeah, it's that is it's it feel. I remember last time coming home. It felt slow. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that it? It should it should change how you view it.

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What do you think more podcasters? do this?

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Yeah, no. I mean, shut up.

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Maybe I think like I don't, I reckon like if I especially mean, we're doing it, but I think if I was younger, when I was 21, I went to San Francisco for Melbourne gate, put it all on my credit card did Macworld doing interviews with all Apple sort of products and things like that? Therefore, it would be disgusting. It wouldn't wouldn't be fair, but the I think that there is such an opportunity to mix, content creation or whatever you want to call it, doing a podcast making things and bringing it in, like an overseas context. Yeah,

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yeah, I hope that you've been listening in felt like there's been a bit of a journey. And if you are just jumping on this episode, we started in New York. And we've made our way to LA and hopefully, the people we've spoken to the the vibe you get has been different and hearing these perspectives of people who live on the other side of the world, where Josh and I

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from it, but yeah, part of it is that thing of showing that, like if you go to back to Episode One, or Episode 10, or Episode 100, it's like it's just building. It's like we didn't know there was no guarantees that we're even going to do this. Yeah, there's no guarantees that if you listen to episode, you know, in the 50s, we were talking about the maybe we end up at, like 100, and hundreds it. Yeah, but that was a conversation we had is, but the name is Blake said it could be 500 and 64, or something like that. And I think that there is a all you can look at is that every day like doing it, if we had thought, when we get to episode, you know, 195, we're going to be in this part of the world doing this, I think it would have been too much pressure.

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So you think play Is that too much planning or is like the planning could be what pulls it apart?

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I think it's just like the day like the only reason that we're able to do this is because we actually did it every single day. When we weren't, it wasn't like glamorous, in a sense of it. Like it wasn't, you know, interviewing signing people, and it was you in your car at 6am. And me trying to get a good internet connexion in a hotel room when I want to go to bed. And so I think that it's also I felt like I feel like we've to this. It feels like we've we've actually putting the effort. And we haven't over but it doesn't feel like we've over baked doesn't feel like episode one. We're live from New York City. Yeah, we've done, you know, over 190 episodes

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coming out of the gates. Strong is what everyone feels like it should should. should do. I've done that. Yeah, had a bunch of different elements created for trip with footage and you know, opening sequence and

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it's so much pressure. Yeah, if you look at what's it like certificate, what makes Seth Godin, amazing? What did you take from the Seth Godin chat?

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God, he's a dude who's just chipping, who's been chipping away. I mean, he's exceptional. That's the thing is I cannot get can't stop thinking that conversation we had with him is like, everything he spits is like, you're like you're reading from a book. And what I love about Seth is when I read his book, it makes sense. And so when he talks to us, it makes so much sense. Yeah, I'm speaking for myself, but I think you do. Yeah, for you, too. But

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is it but he's a craftsperson. At the end of the day, he's a maker. He, like, think about how much respect we have for Seth. And think about what he does he, he does a blog post every day, and he shows up, and it's the accumulation of all of that, which makes him remarkable. It's the the one plus one plus one plus one. And so I think that like if if people are listening to this, and thinking, yeah, like you, I definitely look at what other people are doing, and you get bit of inspiration from it or whatever. And I think that the, the inspiration isn't even, to say you need to go and do a trip. Inspiration is like, start now. Do the thing that like, you can't do this on day one. If you do it on day one, if we had our first episode, with Seth Godin with Brad blank, so with it, you know. Yeah, it would have been a completely different vibe. And so it's almost accepting the the process.

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See you next Tuesday does not fly in America. Yeah. Have you noticed that we've mentioned it like, yeah, that we not on the podcast. But we've mentioned

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we we used to say the C word and people like wow, games.

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And so sorry for our American audiences been listening all the stuff you're listening to the early days we did used to, it was a couple of times to drop this a bomb.

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Yeah. But that's very rarely and within context, I feel.

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I mean, when is it over? It's a brutal word has a lot of cutthroat a lot of comfort, comfort, comfort, comfort to daily talk show everyone live from Los Angeles. Can I say live and since we're alive in Los Angeles, very true. I love it. The just there is a bit of a glitz. Like maybe it's just like Hollywood when you're in Hollywood and you're in Australia, and it feels like Wow, look at the palm trees in the blue skies. And you can see the mountains and you can see the Hollywood sign. It's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, and we're very glad that you're listening in and following along on the journey hyper daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email Greg and America tomorrow, the power couple with maybe it's you the podcast, you should actually listen to that podcast. Yeah. Before you listen to our episode. And you get a sense of how interesting their perspectives are, when it comes to relationships will say tomorrow. Gotcha.
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