- October 5, 2018
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The Daily Talk Show — Friday October 5 (Ep 189) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
New York City always has something happening, which is why, on any given day, you can bump in to the best artists and business people in the world. For some it’s their home, but for many, it’s a hub that they’ll frequent throughout the year to be inspired and do business.
Today, we’re live from outside The Flatiron Building with award winning photographer and CEO of CreativeLive, Chase Jarvis.
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worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. It is the daily talk show live from New York City Tommy jacket,
Josh Janssen, we, you can't see if you're listening. We've got a video of this. And we're standing it.
What's this called flat iron flat, the flat iron building in New York City. It's sort of like the it's like very narrow at the end. And then it's sort of these add a little bit like a wedge.
Yeah, I said, Let's go to the wage thing. It's just funny thing is I was here in 2012. And I was across the road from the wedge. I had no clue that it was a tourist attraction,
the wedge of
the flat iron, and I was filming a bit. And it just so happened that I was right there. So I can't like that with that one.
There's a there's a lot of places where you look at buildings, and you're like, Man, this is it looks so cool. You'll be famous. And it turns out nine times out of 10 or already. You just don't know it.
But this, this is what I love about this city. This millions of people. But if you keep your eye on your spot, people that you might see on the internet.
Yeah. Well, I mean, there's all different types of characters, including some of the best people in their craft. And today, we headed to somewhere just outside of New York, called Hastings on Hanson. Yeah.
What an amazing place. It is the polar opposite of New York City. Yeah. And we went there because we were going to interview a guest. Pretty much. One of the reasons we came to do this American trip, Seth Godin.
Yes. So on episode 20 have said on the daily talk show. Yeah. You mentioned that you gave me a little bit of a
Yeah, it was his classic radios done. Josh idea. You know, it was it was just to get a guest on and it was like who and I literally, I hadn't thought about it before you asked me. Yeah. And then I came out with it. And it was Seth Godin. And we got him on the show. And, and speaking of bumping into PayPal, we've actually got a Chase Jarvis
Oh, yeah. Anyway, yeah.
Yeah. So we're just we're just talking about the fact that we came to New York City for one of the main reasons to see Seth garden and to interview him. And it just so happens that we're walking along and there's there couldn't be more awkward moment than having you with noise cancelling headphones. Ignore the shit out of you. Like I think that's
a nice little went around. Did you hear me now? Well, the noise cancelling headphones are doing well both Chase
Jarvis vape. For the few people who don't know who Chase Jarvis is, you are one of the top photographers in the world and you've got creative live. Yes. changing people's lives with educational so thing has all that stuff going?
It's going well, yeah. Knock on wood dangerously good. You know, we grow because people like the folks who are listening, you know, folks are spreading the word. Yeah, we got more than 10 million creators in our platform now, serving every country on the planet every month. And I still feel like we're just getting started. And we don't want
to waste we mentioned to you that we had Seth Godin on the podcast today. And then you dropped. You've got him on next week as well just went off,
just just recorded with him. Last time I was in New York, which is about two weeks ago. And of course, you got a new book dropping called This is marketing, which is insane book. It's a book for creators and entrepreneurs on how to make sirens very loud. And you know, it's it's a book about how to build what you love to build for the smallest viable audience. I'll talk to the big things and go in whatever make the biggest startup in the history of the universe, but Seth, the country, and then he always is done such a nice job of helping us understand like, now build something for a posse of people who care. And from that vantage point, you can change the world.
What's amazing about Seth and the interview today is every answer sounds like something out of the book. Yeah, it's brilliant. He
speaks like the best writers in the world. Right?
Yeah. He really that he talks about the the importance of focusing your customers or the people you're trying to change as students, you've, you've basically done that by creating a whole education platform. What What have you noticed in the craft, and what you do by changing your mindset to being a teacher, do you see yourself as a teacher,
I see myself as a learner. First. You know, I feel like I've had a lot of life experience in building photography, careers and starting businesses. But you know, if you heard the point I made earlier about creative live, we've been almost in it for eight and a half years and get 10s of millions of people on the platform. I feel like we're just getting started. That's because there's still so much to learn. So while the platform has teachers like Tim Ferriss, and Seth and Arianna Huffington, and burn a brown and the best photographers in the world, and designers like Debbie Millman and Stephanie, stop listing names, but it's nice when when you do get to be around amazing folks like that. It's incredibly inspirational. And what I love is it's not inspiration to sit at home and twiddle your thumbs. It's inspiration to go out and do. Yeah, and I think that's the thing that most people struggle with is that step between learning something in their brain and acting on it? Yeah. And so that's one of the reasons that creative live, I think, has been successful, because it's about going and doing the passion, that thing that you care about. And by extension, me, like, that's why I created creative live, because it was an act of doing like, Okay, if this is really going to be a thing, like build it and see if people care about it. And, you know, following sets mantra started off with just a handful of people in a couple of volunteers in a room. And now, you know, we're in every country on the planet every month. So
it's amazing. Who have you bumped into new you're
on a random Is this the most random thing you've done?
podcasting on the street. Yeah, it's pretty cool. But I do, a lot of people are blogging, so I get to, like, make cameos in people's blogs.
I get recognised a lot here in New York and more than a lot of cities, but I enjoy it. Like, I'm super glad you stopped me, I put you in my Instagram storeys, and say, Hey, to encourage that. We're all in this together, we gotta sort of help one another. And if I can, like, you know, give someone a buzz on your podcast for just, you know, 45 seconds here, then awesome. And likewise, like creative, I wouldn't exist if it wasn't for folks like yourselves, like wanting to learn and learn from authentic people that are on Creative live. And like, this is what makes it all go around. So I try and do whatever I can. I love New York,
People are filming. And
I enjoy bumping into fans and followers and peers.
You've got to head off to Brooklyn in a few minutes before we go, the transition from going to being a solo photographer to having your own business. Yeah. How do you how do you approach it? What did you become? How do you go from not just being a manager? Or is that just a reality of what
I think you know, if you surround yourself with amazing people, like we've named a bunch of people just in the time that we've been speaking here, and I do everything I can to put myself around people I've try and punch above my way I try and put myself in a position to learn at all times. And I think in part, part of building anything, is who you spend time with, and whether those are people that are going to work for you that you're going to work with or that you're going to work for, it doesn't matter, you want to have an amazing community. And I think I talked a lot about the other 50% so there's the thing that you're building, whatever that thing is, in this case, it's your podcast, The Daily Show, The Daily talk show almost don't forget again, but it's about the other 50% what are you doing to build community when you're not actually shipping the product when you're not actually standing on the street doing man on the street women on the street interviews? What are you doing to build community and so for me to build a community around the things that I love at first, it was around photography, I just tried to get like minded people together. And as it turned out, there were some people who weren't quite quite as far along in their career as I was and those are people that I could hire first as contractors and then ultimately as employers or as employees and then there are people that I was aspiring to be around folks like Seth for example, or Richard Branson or or burn a brown people who were you know, have so much more life experience than I do and now they're allowed to be together and creative live and again, here we are bumping into one another. I think it's just if you're asking for a tip it's do not people want to expand way too early? Yeah, like make something small and beautiful and make it great and the expansion can be organic this like grow at all costs. I don't believe that that's a farce and if whether you are on the position of looking to get hired or should I hire someone, the only thing you can do wrong is not believe in yourself and on the hiring side do it too soon, make it painful and then hire somebody and managing someone is a very different skill than being the creator so if you're not a great manager you have to work on some of those skills and or find someone that you can help who can help you who is a manager trying to do it all on your own as an independent creator I get it we've all been there expect to stumble expect to to learn on the go and be in it for the process if you're just in it because at some point you get to stand on a you know with a model on a beach with a camera that's the wrong reasons you have to love the process like clearly you guys are like you grabbed me I don't know if first you're gonna jump me but like you clearly like all we want to do a podcast right here in front of flattering but you love what you do and you feel it and that's that's critical. So
Chase Jarvis thank you for a very random impromptu
chat my let's get a
breeze hiking yakking well, dodos all over it. And my Chase Jarvis he's he's got plenty
of stuff the vertical we got it. We got it.
She's all over at content quaint. But Chase is on YouTube across everything like what are you focusing
on Chase Jarvis on and please check out creative live if you're a creator and entrepreneur at any stage of the game. This is where the folks that I've named while you've been standing here, this is where they go to teach and inspire you. There's all kinds of free content there and you know, as a creating community of 10s of millions of people there so
bounce you guys.
Just give us a brief break. Keep killing it. Nice job.
We expect to do Vox pops. We did a Vox pop of a lady on a bike on Yeah, in Times Square. This has been probably the I don't know what you describe it the highest the highest profile. You don't know what what the girl on the bike was doing. She might have been? Yeah, we didn't even know is a high profile. Vox pop
random. And we're well,
yeah, that was good. So the energy in New York City is just it's amazing, right? It's contagious. It gets you excited. The end. So going back to the Seth Seth Godin. Monday, we are releasing our chat with Seth and he gave us like, close to an hour of his time. It was amazing. It was
everything I thought to be and and more. Yeah. So if you are a fan of safe, I guess look like we are. I'm losing my voice. Yeah, yes. It's the energy here. It's,
this is what happened to me when I was travelling. And you you already pulled me up on it, you'll be fine. It's how you lost. You pointed out the fact that I do to fully lose my voice. Like, it was one of the funniest things on this podcast. So it'll be it'll be enjoyable when I was giving you shit for it. And now and now it's coming. So what what was the? What was it? What did you get out of being around Seth? Or even, you know, bumping into Chase, what does? What does it do to you? Yeah.
I mean, everyone, we're all humans. And I think when you see them online, you you think of them as you hold them up. And not that that's a bad thing at all. Yeah. But it's amazing how
relatable and kind and generous in
January eight, because you think I don't know why you think they're not going to be those things where you just gave us 12 minutes of his time.
And he didn't have to. Yeah, I mean, he's Yeah, he was literally off. And the funny thing is, it shows the different strategies in the sense of like, he, he pushed on task. He said, Look, he's he goes, I said, what have you, what are you up to now? I'm off to broke. And we're like, Okay, he's like, oh, how long's it gonna be? Yeah, it's like, and so I think that what I've taken out of, you know, interactions like that is it's like to be at the top to be the best that you gain. Yeah, it's actually it's about giving, and it's about being generous. And it's about like, hey, like,
Chase doesn't doesn't know what the return on investment is of having a conversation with us. But he did it. And maybe one sign up. Exactly. No, but he doesn't you can tell these people don't enjoy that. Yeah, they do it to connect, to teach to help people learn. I mean, everyone is at the same stage at some point. I'm going further. Yeah. But that's, you know, that's just as far as you want to take it. Yeah. So we are all equal at some point on our journey. And I think these kind of people like Chinese people like safe. There's a lot of people that are on a journey, that they can help guide. It's not a very body. Yeah. But it is a lot of people out there.
And there's the other funny thing is that the what I also just, you know, started to work out is how the, the way that markets and niches work because we were in a diner, and in, you know, Hastings on Hudson, and we're talking to a lovely woman who was working at the diner, and we're saying our way interviewing someone, and we see how Seth Bry Bry is just making some adjustments at the moment. What would it be? I thought Bray was doing something to my bomb. Yes, she's out the camera out of my back pocket. Thanks. Thanks, Fraser. But the who was speaking to the lovely lady at the diner, and she had no idea who Seth was. And the thing is that that sort of blew my mind because we're in this small little town. Yeah. And there's not a huge amount. I think she said there was what like a few thousand people may 4000. Yeah, maybe even less. But yeah, just just the idea that the the Power of Habit to speaking to a specific audience, and the power of not going for mainstream.
Yeah. Yeah, it's great. And today, we also went to serious Yes, what an experience that's serious is like a internet radio. Satellite Radio,
right? Yes, Sirius XM. Ben Holland, who used to work in Australian radio. Yeah, made the move to New York and he gave us a tour of their facilities. Some of the radio shows they've got swipe.
Swipe is basically works on this. This station within series that is produced by Eminem. And
he loved the city. What's his name? shine, suede suede on shade. I don't. Yeah, he shows rap
interviews. So many rappers they come on. Childish Gambino was on his show, and just did this for style. Like, he just has these amazing guests doing these amazing, amazing freestyles and raps. It's just like, you'd never see that in Australia. And so it's just like, and that was what Ben was saying. Access to guests there.
So Ben, Ben is the producer. I didn't want to stop his
producer at the morning mashup on Sirius XM. Yeah. So they get like over 10 million people listening to
what he said that this week. They've had Christina Aguilera, like, top echelon celebrities in studio. That's what happens in New York City, though.
Yeah. And you look out and you see Times Square. Yeah. And he took us around to one of the parts of the building and you see the little bowl, that logo lit drops. Yeah, it looked a little from my way where? The drops during us. Yeah. And who else? Is it howard stern? Yeah. The most famous broadcaster in the world. And that was pretty insane. Because the there's like a authorise people only sign a shutdown. When it comes to the having access to that area. They take celebrities and guests into a secret, special.
Lyft No, one, Bazin, they said that Howard has his own Lyft down to his car, and I don't need the people. I wonder when it gets to that stage, whether you do it because you just don't want to be annoyed, because people actually will annoy you when you're that famous. I wonder
I don't know if they didn't ease that. But it's probably like a persona almost right. Like, it's like when you're getting paid a lot of money. All of a sudden, sometimes your persona can become like, that's part of the shtick is like, and that's the mistake. And that was like the interesting thing with with Seth, even with Chase right now is what's awesome is it's like, we got to see a bit of a behind the scenes, like, what happens if you just bump in to someone?
Well, if you want me to chase jobs on your podcast, and he gave us a shout out,
yeah, on easy instant instant storeys, and the echo Seth is he was just so chilled back. We just came it like it, you know, we've been having email correspondence over the last three months to, to organise it. And no assistant, no reception now just like,
just come up with thing. It's like when you start working for a big company, and you go, I thought everything would be like, perfect, but perfect. Not a reality. Yeah, it is like ships run, you know, sets got his going at the way he likes it. And it's not always how you think it will be with hundreds of staff. Yeah. And then Chase, you know, like it. Yeah, I just I love this. I mean, this whole trip has been about putting ourselves out there for no return other than experiencing and meeting people.
And that's the biggest return I think that we can ask for. I think that that's the maybe the missing link in a lot of cases is like we expect it's almost self sabotage. Yeah. Because it's the it is the thing that you we actually want, it's the experiences. And for whatever reason, it seems us coming here we, you know, we were, you know, you're losing your voice. There's a there was a there's a complete argument to say, let's not record now. And we nearly didn't and we're like, you know what, let's do it. Like we literally stalled along the way to get here. Yeah. And if we didn't, we wouldn't have bumped into Jace. We were talking about doing a rickshaw Well, guys who don't know a rickshaw is like a bike with one of those little carts at the end. And at the back, and you sort of can be written along. Yeah, it's
like a talk talk in Thailand bed.
Exactly. And so we're thinking of let's do, it was really me pushing it. Let's do.
It was a great idea. But it was 15 minutes up, and then we had to walk an hour and 15 back. But how good is this? Yeah,
exactly. And so I think that it's, um, we still did something and we did ourselves out there and was able to able to work out.
Yeah, it's Yeah, it's amazing. Hey, we're off to LA next. Yes.
So we've still got Monday we've got Seth will be in New York. For an episode on Tuesday. Wednesday, we have an interesting dude. Is the Chinese tuxedo owner. Can you explain? Yeah. Because you you know a lot about when it comes to this. There's a whole level of people that I don't even I don't even know about, which is sort of the movers and shakers in, you know, owning restaurants and Yeah,
well, I think it's comes from me going out to nightclubs. And, and actually, after 9pm spending a lot of money at these establishments. Yeah. So Eddie Buckingham. Yeah, I've been put on to him through a friend who is best mates with him. Yeah. And he is an Ozzy dude living in New York, who owns one of the coolest restaurants in New York. It's like one of those up and coming. Bill Clinton's been there, like Kylie Jenner
did. Why is the bill clinton is the one guy that seems to have been everywhere in New York if
everyone Chinese food so happens that he loves Chinese.
It's funny, because I've noticed a lot of photos like I guess ex presidents, that's probably true. Maybe it's a bit of a pub crawl that you do as President.
It's probably a secret service. Yeah. Bill's a pain in the ass. He always wants to go to little places. And I heard of Bill being at a tax a KFC. Really? Like? Basically, his secret service called and said, Can we book a table? Okay, it says heaps of storeys about Bill. Like
like that heavy. There is heaps of storeys about Bill. Well,
we'll find out the bill stuff. Yeah, from Eddie.
And so he was also the mixologist, I didn't even I didn't even know there was a thing called a mixologist. I would have thought that was a DJ. So I'll just for Justin Timberlake, so you can hear you can say why I thought, Okay, he's mixing music.
Nothing makes total sense. But turns out JT as a, I think it's a tequila brand. And Eddie's a master at making cocktails. Yeah.
Well, you're gonna lose your voice. Yeah, let's let's finish all this stuff up here. It's the daily talk show everyone and Monday. We have Seth Godin on the show that gives me I don't know if it's because it's getting chilly. But that gave me chills. It's actually called I think it's called Hi, the daily talk show.com if you want to send us any emails, and we're also on reddit.com forward slash, forward slash the daily talk show and you can put up any will put up some of chase Jarvis's content so you can get an idea of what he's doing because he's definitely he's killing it today. Talk Show. Have a good one. Ci