- September 27, 2018
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The Daily Talk Show — Thursday September 27 (Ep 183) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Tommy’s Primary School mate, now actor in LA, Rhys Mitchell, is visiting Melbourne for work at the moment. The perfect opportunity to catch up and give us his perspective on living in the US before our trip next week! What it’s like being an Aussie in LA, What is an activation anyway, Con vs Don the fruiterer, how to tip and why it’s important to collaborate and support your creative community.
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 183. That was always tj. He's excited because he's got he's made in the building. Racing. Yeah.
Hello. Hey guys, I know you're meant to say you say guys.
Yeah, no, I was also whistling just because it's two more shows till we don't have to do this over Skype anymore. So this show race is pretty much a last minute thing because we were meant to do this in LA. Because you living now in LA Yeah, City of Angels, baby. I'm, I'm pretty upset that we had to do it from Melbourne to be honest.
It's nice here to City of Angels as well. Why?
No, it's good. It's good to be here. It's good to be home and breathe some fresh air. You know, I'm sick of the pollutants. Is it? Is it polluted? Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh. It's like a blanket of smog over the city. You can see when you go on a hike. Now that's just a lawn mask,
plume of smoke and these joints.
We race get criticised all the time for not introducing people that we've got on the show. Okay, and so I'm going to do that hashtag race Ed. Wow, Tommy. I know. so natural. Tommy and race. best mate, mate since they were five years old race is now it was at five. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. They just saw the thing with the microphone.
That was qubit. Cheers to the microphones. Are you doing show business?
Yes. Great. Great prep, because I was in print. You're in new one. And so we were five?
Uh huh. Oh, my God.
And then because there was it was a composite. You remember that? Yeah. We're the great ones. We're a part of the prep, right? class. And so
I liked the 80s. When they were like, joined. I feel like like, I remembered having that hates in school, like threes and fives and sixes. For me with being in a public school. It was just because it was like super Paavo. And basically, the whole school was in one class. But um, yeah, so you guys.
We go to the fanciest school the way
well, not until we were a little bit older. And then we went to the one of the fancy school
Yeah. Now look at us now Jesus Christ. And so race you've. You've recently gone to Li what's the I've always dreamed of living overseas and just holidaying for the last three months. I'm missing Melbourne. What's what is the vibe? You've been there now? For what? like eight, eight or so months? Yeah,
it's good. I mean, it's pretty easy transition, I find moving to certain parts of LA. I also had a network they are already established. So it was easy enough for me to sort of move in. And I have like a management there. So I found I found it like not too difficult to make the transition. I mean, I was living in a cupboard for the first two months. Like where my, you know, my feet would touch the wall sort of thing when I slept like it was not ideal.
But um, he was an illegal alien at that point.
No, no, I have my papers. This is this is going public. I have my papers. And they're legally Mr. Trump. I am there legally.
Yeah, we don't know what. Yeah, who knows?
Yeah, but I pay my taxes. But I am. Yeah, so I was living in a cupboard. And then I found my own room. So it's a bit of a you know, rags to riches storey.
I like it a lot. It's really fun. The people are super encouraging that but the thing the thing about you race, you have your home body, I think, yeah. Because you grew up with five, four brothers and sisters. And two, two brothers, two brothers, two sisters. And then You're the eldest of the bunch. But for me, your household as a kid growing up was like, it was that it could have almost had its own TV show. Those people always dropping in for dinners. You know, and, and it was just always so homely, and everyone stayed at home. And so the transition moving to a new country that's like, I don't you have, have you travelled much?
bits and pieces, but not like long term now. I think the longest I did was like a month here a month. Yeah, stuff. When I did the show in Miami. I was gone for two months. Oh, that's right. But that's work like
this. Yeah. Josh and I've spoken about like that actually re like uprooting your life and moving somewhere
relocating. Yeah. And relocating to different, different base versus going to, you know, grace for for a few weeks and saying why I could live here. You know, it's like,
a different vibe. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's definitely, it was confronting for sure. I was just lucky to have some friends already there. But, you know, there were definitely moments where I missed the comfort of Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne is a very comfortable place to live. It's very easy lifestyle. I fine. And there's a lot of cool stuff happening here. So it was difficult. And as a few moments, I was like, What the fuck am I swear on this? Yes, yeah. Am I doing here? I'm living in a car. But you know, like, what am I really chasing this like Hollywood thing? like trying to get an acting job? I'm like, Am I diluted? Yeah, this is kind of nuts. But I feel like there's a lot of There's a wonderful community that I fallen into. And I feel like a lot of what people want you about ally isn't necessarily true. Which bits? Like, you know, everyone's fake. Everyone's like, just yeah, just phoney or fake.
Maybe they're just amazing. It's like really, really manipulated me. Yeah, amazingly deep level next.
Definitely. It's like the comparison of bond die to St. Kilda. Yeah, in bond die. You've got people who care about their bodies a lot more. Well, it seems as if they do like the health scene, you know, healthy eating is greater because I think it is contributed to the climate there. Which is LA is good weather every single day. What did you say me on the phone the other day? He says the same day
every day? Well, you
said I've been partying too much. Yeah. And you say because I wake up every day, and it's just a good day.
Yeah, exactly. Every day is like perfect. Like, oh my god, it's perfect again. Yeah, that's why I like it goes so quickly that it felt like I was there for one season because I don't really have seasons. Yeah, you know, and it's like, every day is kind of the exact same day. It's like a simulation.
Did you feel the pressure to get a better rig? I feel like whenever I go to LA all of a sudden I'm like, Oh, yeah, maybe I will have a say bowls or actually no focus eyeballs. I need to be just having protein and start to lift. Do you get whole lecture?
Yes, uh, definitely, especially when you do acting. But I guess my whole goal is sort of how do I maintain a six pack while drinking beers? That's kind of been my, my mission. But I like I like staying healthy anyway. You know, I like to I just yeah, there's a lot of great gyms that because I like my boxing. So you know, there's a lot of famous boxing clubs that you can go down to work out at like wild card and stuff. Like five bucks entry. It's incredible.
Yeah, I mean, the price thing over there. Yeah. Is it? Is it been cheap to live?
Or the Australian dollar is like 70 cents to the dollar.
That's been your I've ever been earning money because forever and I haven't really? We've spoken on the phone a couple of times. Yes. But we haven't actually caught up. I don't know how she's going for you. Yeah, it's all right to change that races a millionaire now. Yeah,
it's fantastic. He Yeah, he's he's wildly the top guys. Yeah, I'll invoice see Josh. It's gonna cost me. Let me tell you again.
I had I had like, in the time I was there, I landed one movie role, which was really exciting. And like a dream come true for me, actually. Yeah. Like when I got the role, I literally started shaking. I was like this copyright. And I know that was a glitch in the simulation.
Was this when you were sending me Instagram storeys from the bathtub? Was it? Yeah,
that roll knows the jacuzzi on my hotel balcony. Yeah.
Well, isn't Utah. I don't know. It's the dream, but it's definitely a dream. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I was very, very fortunate. And I got a script that I really responded to and was lucky enough to be involved. It's a film called The Happy worker. And yeah, should come out sometime next year.
Yeah. Do you feel the the tendency, I've heard that there's heaps of Australians in LA, and they tend to sort of hang out at the same areas? Have you entered into that world have you pushed back on that what you vibe on it?
That's a that's interesting. That's funny, you bring that up. That's I've definitely noticed that too. And I've, I do hang out with Australians by thing I hang out, the community of Australians in America seem to be really in each other's corner, which is quite nice, actually. It's like even the people in like film and TV that seem to be quite supportive of one another. And so I go to things like the Australians in film screenings. And this is a group called Australia and out in LA. And everyone is like really looking out for each other. It's kind of it's quite beautiful. But most of them live in West Hollywood, I found the
those events is that there's actually just limits of how many bees you're allowed to drink for free. Because he's travelling back and go
Hi. It's pretty rad, though. Like you go to these events, you know, like seeing all these incredible actors just like, you know, hinting around. Who's the favourite who's the most famous? Ah, like, the some pretty big ones. So like, God, I feel like such a nerd doing this, but who cares? This could be a fan.
by us the biggest.
Okay, I went to a screening and like, roseboro and Joel Edgerton, all that crew there, and I was like, kind of like, Wow, it's so cool that they just come and support these like, yeah, you know, emerging filmmakers are showing for me, that's, that was really, really cool.
Well, I think Josh, it's like for us, you know, doing the podcast, you once you sort of tap into the industry, or the sort of the space, there's not a great deal of people that are kind of noisy about it. And so it's pretty easy to sort of access these other people who are, you know, doing it consistently and, and they also appreciate other people that are doing it as well. So as I can imagine, it's a similar thing. Where, who are you?
Like at the age of 10? People need i don't i don't know anyone, you know?
Yeah. So this is the thing just quickly, he doesn't watch films. Okay. Or TV series. Is that fair, Josh?
Well, no, I just, yeah, I'm fairly. I'm a little not I don't have a day or anything, but I don't. I tend to only watch nonfiction. Just because yeah, I don't I don't completely know why, but it's definitely an area I went through a stage of when I was about 16, collecting a new DVD from JP hi fi in the bag and been every single day to watch it. But I ended up with about 150 DVDs that are currently in storage that we weren't even able to sell just before our recent trip and I haven't watched them. I ended up with my sister's keeper on fucking blu ray one of the saddest films I've ever seen. I can disaster. So anyway, yeah, I don't know. I don't know much about TV. I don't know anything about movie stars. I was actually trying to catch up on what you'd worked on race my parents and massive fans of upper middle class Bogan and upper middle Bogan.
Yeah, no, no, I'll tell tell you race. accused Josh his family of being somewhat similar to the family.
Well, that's a good way to describe
there are there are a few Connexions there. But no, I was I ended up going down a rabbit hole of typing in Reese Reese Mitchell on YouTube and watching on stuff and I think I landed on the wrong race Mitchell at one point because there was like, all these sayings of these two dudes kissing.
Yeah, that's my show real.
But you weren't in any of them. So I think though, I definitely landed.
I think there was a character in an Australian TV show was my exact name. Really? Yeah.
So it wasn't a real person. It was the character Yeah, that's funny. That's annoying.
All right. gonna cost you said didn't cost me so that was like, terrible actor good name, though. We'll use that.
So it was growing up like with with Tommy, like what was like, I know Tommy from the last couple of years. You have being a dad being this responsible guy. But I have a feeling from the conversations that we've had that he was a bit of a loose unit. And I think at times he may be understates what that was like, Can you give me sort of a run through of what childhood was like?
Just quickly while the race does that? I'm getting B's?
Oh, Jesus, he needs a
drink for me to open up about our history together.
okay, here's an example once we're on the train that define Thank you man, once you're on the train. And I was sitting with Tommy and those these two girls were like 15 or something 14 these two girls go Oh my God, is that Tommy jacket. So that kind of like he had this infamy thank you on the sandy on for being a you know, the bad boy of just almost Sandringham lunch
lady much. Maybe there's a whole audience. There's a whole audience there that we could be tapping into TJ maybe we just maybe we do a live broadcast from the centre ham on
the garden rail station, set up a set up your podcast situation.
Quite a setup. I like the
situation. And then just interview people and be like, oh, tell us storeys of Tommy jacket. I'm sure that I'll have some wild ones. I don't really like I don't know how much to go into, you know, because he was going
on my 18th birthday, Josh Reese. And I think it was Josh. Not you, Josh. Another Josh. We know more than one. Yes.
I was just casting and I'm like, wow. And he's the one with the the YouTube the YouTube videos of the kissing. It's like
yeah, it's the it's the other reason the other Josh smooch. Exactly.
The say Josh in race made me this T shirt. They had it screen printed on. And it was two people pointing in silhouette. And it said, Oh my god, it's Tommy jacket. I've still got that.
And now it's probably more relevant. You're not just famous on the sand you on? You know? But yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of wild storeys, we would like I guess you were a bit of a naughty boy. Yeah, that's a nice way to put it right.
Well, we kind of have explored on the podcast about how we came from a very lovely area in Melbourne. And we went to a great school. But a lot of people died around us people, you know, we're doing bad shit. And it kind of it's this weird thing was like people from people from money. Not that we all were. But it doesn't mean that everyone's gonna be good or abide by the rules, if anything. from our experience more people broke them. Yeah. Then, you know, stuck to them. So yeah, it was a weird upbringing. It was and there was a lot of people that were Yeah, obviously carrying a lot of demons around.
Even though they seemingly have a ideal life. Yeah. doesn't necessarily mean they're happy. Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah. I don't know we've met our fair share different characters for sure.
And race, what do you think it like? How has your perception of home changed? Do you see this transition of going to LA as a temporary thing? And then you'll be going back home to Melbourne? Or do you actually think that you'll get to a point where home will change?
I mean, it's really interesting, because I guess it's still like, early days me like, in this transition, I think a lot of it is governed by work opportunities. I mean, I came back here for a job. So I'll kind of go where the work is. And I must say, It's so lovely to be home and be home without the pressure of my building my entire career here. Because I, you know, that is quite difficult, I think, to work exclusively in Australia as an actor. So I love the idea of being able to settle here at some point, but right now, I feel like LA is opening up for me. And yeah, it is so early. So I got to explore it, give it a good go and go out and audition and hopefully get some more work out there. And then and then see where I can end up.
I'd like to be nice, entrepreneurial. Can you be entrepreneurial as an actor when it comes to auditioning? Because in some regards that feels like you, you rock up? You? You do the writing or whatever? And then Is it cold of reading? Or is that what medium? Yeah, that's fine. You can say that. It's
all making out with a producer.
Like my show?
Do you? Yeah. Is it something that you feel like you can be entrepreneurial with? Or is it just like, hoping that you get picked?
I think you could be I mean, I don't know that I'm capable of religion. I just try and do a good audition and be prepared. And so many there are so many factors. You know, there are so many, so many things that will govern whether you get a job or not notice and like talent is a bonus I find if you're talented. Yeah. Hundred percent.
Well, I think he's been chipping away since as long as I can remember you were doing drama classes. Yeah, outside of school, when we were you know, grade three and four. And, and so you have been you've been actually chipping away at your craft. One thing you know, you don't have like some huge social media following, which is probably one one of the ways to be entrepreneurial. Absolutely. I have a private Instagram. Yeah, it's funny. It's it's a great account.
Yeah, open it up. Is it open? I I often also I'm like, I'll go public and I'll be a strategy, right? He's got a strategy night. Yeah, I'm drip coffee, you guys can request and you end up with drinking coffee.
Well, I went in 2013. When I first went to New York, I know it was the second time I went to New York, actually made a short film, I was playing a festival in Palm Springs, just a detail. And I was in New York, my friend was like, well, we want to see your like experiences of this festival and stuff. You should set up an Instagram. And I was like, why? And they're like, so we can like look at photos and and then I was like, okay, set one up. What should I call it? And like, I don't know something about New York. And I was in a diner. And someone was pouring drip coffee. And I was like, I'll be drip coffee. That's like, I love America. Dinah. You know, yeah, it's good. And like, people, people have inbox me about it, you know, people. I'm sitting on it. Just decide
data. Josh, I don't know, if you've looked at our email. We just got an email from somebody who said, Hi, would you be interested in purchasing daily talk? show.com. So you can redirect it to your website. Now we've got
we've got the daily talk show.com, which I'm a massive geek when it comes to domain names, Instagram accounts. So the fact that you've got drip coffee, already, you're about like, it doesn't matter what movies or tv shows you've been in, in my eyes. You're already a star with that with that. Thank you. The Yeah, we have this a theme throughout our show where we tend to have accumulated over time, a lot of Instagram usernames and wow, logins and things like that. Well, no, I don't like I I always have the intention of creating some sort of new business right.
I thought it was funding a great trip.
Surprise. Yeah, no one really like it. I think that there's maybe an over representation of like the conversation around selling Instagram handles and shit like that. I know. One friend who had alohar on Twitter and all that sort of thing and she sold it for a surfboard. She's a surf photographer, and she sold it for like a surfboard.
That's pretty good. I know someone who had Pataki ham really apparently they inbox Tim Pataki here.
It's good. I might as john Pataki or whatever we want you want your handle?
Five legs, legs of honey roast ham.
I think I offered him cash. Yeah, but I think you wanted to, I think one on it. It could have been some lunatic line to him.
Maybe. But then again, people do get handles for you know, purposes of then saying someone sort of coming up true. Have you got your domain race? mitchell.com know
who has a website and this year I
Jesus? Oh, that's straight straight out of Hollywood.
That's what Tom Tommy like, after spending the last couple of weeks building his website. He's not happy.
Who honestly, who looks at website? He turned into a search bar. inside. No one's going to talk and Tommy jacket.com i don't think anyone's doing that too. Maybe my mom
calm race, but you doing it fish search engine optimization so that when we Wow. It's not the first result isn't two other blokes kissing each other? It's
asking Yes. Okay. I like that to
I like this. The first thing that comes up when you Google me? How come you got How come? No one else has the daily talk show? Great. That's what I was wondering. Speaking of optimization, surely that's the most used talk show now.
Does it not?
Yeah. So we like we've got text messages. Tommy and I were trying to work out a name for the podcast. And I was just searching on domain names found the daily talk show.com straightaway, got the Instagram. It's too long of a name for Twitter. So we don't have it. Right. You can't get the Twitter handle. But yeah, I'm I think that even though like I don't, I'm not banking on Tommy and my talent or interest at all, for this show. I'm just banking on the fact that the daily talk show as a name will be good for SEO and that people might accidentally find us.
Wow, that's wonderful. I love that approach. On talent, thank you on a title. Ellen is said
talent is overrated. Talent is not
is a bonus. So we are basically doing the the opposite strategy to you. Right? You're focusing on being a great actor, and we're focusing on the things
you're focusing on all the other details the
other details? That's good. Have you noticed? And have you seen anyone that that has worked for them that they've got jobs because they've got a shitload of followers? Shit? Yeah. And have you met them in LA? And are they aware? Oh, god,
no, I'd avoid those people. Like Instagram famous people. Yeah, no way. I'd like I wouldn't. Look if I met them. I'd be friendly, but I haven't really met those. I think um, No, I haven't met them. But I hear
a lot. Stick. Right. It's like, what what do you think? Do you think that? Does everyone in acting? Is typecasting a real thing? Do you embrace it to push back on it?
I sort of go for leading man honk roles, you know.
Chris Hamza, obviously, yeah, I definitely taught casting. I mean, they look at you and they go, you're this like, it would be absurd if you put me in like a hymns worth role. I think, you know, to be honest, I yeah. I'm more likely to be his like, Assistant. He keeps dropping stuff or something. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, like he's like a caddy or something. If you were a golfer in a movie, for example. Yeah. Really strange example. I thought, yeah, you get typecast but typecasting isn't necessarily a problem. Because it might you might mean you keep getting, have you thought?
Yeah. Well, have you thought? You know, because you go, okay, the young up and coming actors that are that sort of you look at them and go there. So Hollywood, other ones landing, you know, Brenton Thwaites and rz actor who's around our age, like he's just the traditional Hollywood look. And he's been in some huge films. Yes. And you go Okay, he landed some roles when he was young. And it you know, it was different. He's looks contributed to him landing those roles, but then I think about like, people who chip away for years, and then they land on the role later in age where they've done all the groundwork and then this reaping the rewards right there training and time chipping away that yeah, that's something you think about where you go,
I just Yeah, I think so. I mean, I just hope that the right kind of roles will come along and like I've been lucky enough that I feel like they have for me so far, and hopefully it will continue to happen but I don't know I don't really like I'm not looking to be like a leading man. No, I don't think that's I don't think that's really you know, I think it's good to know sort of what your what your skills are. And like what what you can play. I don't want to be completely deluded. Exactly. Also, I look up to people like Steve Buscemi and like Michael Caine and you know, William H. Macy and Willem Dafoe and like weirdos. Yeah, I
only know Michael Caine that george bush
on location, location location. Did he do that show?
Dad? I don't think so. Okay, he was he was um, what's his name?
Alfred in Batman. Yeah, no, no Batman, so you probably seen Batman
definitely would have seen him know of him somehow.
Batman is I
do know, I do know that.
I do know Batman. Batman,
what's the deal with accent? Do you have to like a you doing training to learn how to do it?
Yeah. My next role that I'm doing it? Yeah, I have to Yes. Because most auditions and my managers will be like, just pretend to be American today. Just go into Latin a rosy and some days. It's okay. If you let them know you're Ozzy. You know, I just asked them like, Am I Australian today or American or whatever? Because sometimes I'll be like, oh, should we try to my natural accent like the last film I just did. I auditioned American and then they found that I was Australian. No, like, actually, we want an international cast. But he wouldn't break
he they had to just really get it added that would
This is me.
Race, we've got your passport, it says you're in Australia.
It's an error.
Is there any phrases that are really hard to do in an American accent that you just try and avoid?
I find it all kind of hard. I don't want to warming up too late. I don't think the accent is that easy, really. And people who think they're really good at them generally aren't. I think
it's a skill rest impersonation. It's it's the only thing I can do an American accent. I'd like to hear it. Turn into it right now. Look that people have heard it a few times on the podcast, but I think it's only one line that he says it's very ally. Ready? Mm hmm. It's Ryan Seacrest here.
Is that Is
Do you think I'm familiar enough with Ryan Seacrest.
I think if the thing about accents a hard when you're actually just quickly moved on your turn. Are you trying to actually try and do them? We not sort of Oh, dramatising them, right, you know,
impersonating American crest here like that.
it's amazing. You know, Sheriff long Maya, my mate from long mile the show on Netflix. Okay, he lives right near me races as the actor Robert Taylor. Matrix. Film Josh hasn't seen bullshit. I know.
We play I'm saying please watch that. Mike. Do you know what he's a really good film phone booth? Did you ever watch fine booth?
Cool that one from like 1992 or something?
thousand four it's Yeah, it's the one where the guys in a phone booth. And
is it but Robert Tyler he lives over in America and he did the six seasons of long mile which he's an American dude. Yeah. And when I bumped into him Yeah, he was speaking in American accent so the first time I met him I couldn't I couldn't quite get it. If he was Australian or American.
Why was he doing that?
Because we went for a beer and he and he said Oh yeah, I hold my accent as long as I can sometimes when I get back here or just keep it going
so he doesn't drop it on set
week doesn't drop it when he gets to america he says like when I fly in American Hello my get that
it's so that because you use different muscles in your mouth he said he's lazy Yeah, it does happen. Yeah he's travelling accidents like quite a lazy when we use a lot a lot less muscles. We have completely different placement in the mouth when you speak so I can and I can actually understand that Patty Bramble does that he stays in accent who's Patty Bramble, you know all the actor. He's doing a bit over the quite a bit. He did that show no activity. He's a good friend of mine. Doing American version. He's doing a lot. He's He's really talented. Anyway, he went he was telling me when he when he's doing American accent. He was saying that like all day, you know, like before and after he shoots and stuff. Yeah. And he says that like all this. Like the producers and stuff because he's quick, one of the creatives of the show he's doing he gets in the car and he's an accent like, Oh, really? Like they just want to have a chat. And he's like, Hey, you know, I'm an American now. I use it in in character and accent like, really? Yeah,
just like things like Netflix changed. how all of this stuff works in Hollywood. Is there an actual impact?
Yes, I mean, also for Australian productions like, yeah. My friend Alison Bhalla has a show called the left down which was made here for ABC and now it's playing on Netflix and she's getting a lot of attention over there you look at like Hannah got some amazing special Nanette that's getting a lot of attention over there because of Netflix and then like sisters that channel 10 shows in the rear Angelica does a lot. Yeah. And then yeah, there's quite a few rz shows that are playing on playing on Netflix and then it can get people attention abroad.
Yeah, well, I think the crazy thing is Josh Reese grew up in a house where the storey happening probably you were surrounded by conversations about TV because your dad one of my famous one of my favourites, named drops is you know to Kamakura yeah mismatch with the sun. That's why
I actually like I know I feel like my which says something. Yeah,
well, well, my dad is mocking me till he's not common for Yes.
Really? Do no, don't
don't believe it. He's in character most of the time.
stays at accent Yay. Stay says con.
tell tell Josh about when you met Don the for
boxes at my gym. No, not believers. So
Josh, I was on the street team. Fox FM, and we were doing an activation out in I think it was Clayton or something. It was at a launch of a new Woolworths. This is when they sort of revamped and now sorry, I'll stop you
there. And activation. What the fuck is an actor radiation. It sounds like some religious cult thing and activation activating peace. Just notice
where a brand pays the radio station to send out a bunch of young people driving a car with famous faces on the side. But famous faces don't arrive right and arrive. And so we hand out ice cold cans of coke.
That he's insane. But isn't it
an activation? I wonder if I knew that the word was going to be used in such a way totally.
I think activation the word would be upset with some nobody's having
you activate, activate. you activate something on a big rocket ship a spaceship.
I mean, I met Clayton, Woolworths, and I'm walking through, you know, I actually went in because on these activations, there was also a guy who cooked the BBQ came out specifically to the sausage sizzle. And what I would do and this is when I was white training hard, I'd go in and purchase a steak from movers and then give it to the chef, the dude who would come out and he would cook me
activate my steak anyway.
He's also the guy in racist Sharia.
So anyway, I went in to get my steak. And I saw this dude from a fire and I was like, Fuck, it's my mind. It's Mark Mitchell. It's called the for. He's here. He's been assigned to this activation. And so
sounds like a cult.
How did you think that he was assigned to this activation? You're using the stake?
you're activating tonight?
He was he was there. Working speaking and character in the character of con. Full getup, same attire, same hair. And as I got close, I realised that he's not Mark Mitchell. Let me some dude, who is taking off the character that mark Mitchell does. So what did I do? I played it real cool. And going to photo with him. So I could send it send it the race. As I you'd never fucking believe there's a dude ripping off. Your dad is a dude ripping off on the fruit. And I sent it to you. Yeah.
Apparently you said when you're posing with and you go Oh, this is great. I'll I'll show it to mark he's a friend of mine and his son and the guys.
My dad's manager somebody emailed him like the cease and desist.
I think there's nothing that can be done. It was totally fine or whatever. But it was funny because that turns out bizarre world he boxes at my gym. And he's like, Oh, yeah, actually been I had a bit of a thank you dad was a bit upset because I I played
an activation with this local
ship liberty, Tommy jacket activations, things get a bit weird. You do stuff you don't normally do.
You kind of lose yourself in an activation.
Yeah, so I was just like, this is such a small and bizarre world. And I just was like, Oh, yeah, no, I hadn't heard about it. On the inside. I was like, Oh my god, Tommy, this is insane. Yeah, anyway, so I spots around to them and
just can is there a difference in acting? Like, can you give us a sense, with acting? Is there a difference between that sort of character, comedy style acting? and other forms of acting? Like, are there different sort of levels where it's like, you don't play in different realms?
I think so. I mean, like, I think all ultimately, it depends on the script, the director and everything, like, you kind of trying to do the same thing. You're trying to just be done, truthful, you know, ultimately, and it doesn't matter what if the world needs comedy, or whatever drama, whatever the script needs? Yeah, I think as long as you just try and be and be truthful, it'll be a good performance ultimately. Yeah, just feel Try not to be good acting.
Do you feel that whatever role you're playing? Does it affect your emotional state?
day to day? I mean, I've
I would say, so like, if I do really, I didn't quite emotional scene on this last film. And then I felt like, like, I whip something up for the rest of the day, I felt a little fragile, which was interesting. I think that I mean, if you're having like a physical reaction, because you're pretending to be really sad, and you have to cry in a sane or whatever, you can potentially trigger something in you that makes you continue to feel sad, or like you've channelled some part of you. So I think so I think like, I don't know, I think you got to find that balance, though. Because maybe it could be dangerous if you're constantly going deep into this. I mean, it's not therapy. It's acting. Yeah.
So do you think there's a consistency in the tops of people that are actors?
I wasn't gonna say no, no, this is like a No, I think it's a real right. So I'm just going to surprise were made someone they find that they're an actor. I'm like, but you're not a wink. Ah, yeah. Like what? You know, now that's really, I don't know, I tend to, I think it's really mixed the way people get into it. So many different things that attract someone to it. Yeah, it's a total array. Like any industry, it's just a job at the end of the day.
Yes, it attracts lots of people. Yeah, I guess people take jobs more seriously than others. And that's when the the bankers come out.
What is the crowd that you hang out with in LA? Is it you hanging out with a lot of actors? Or what type? What types of not really that people doing?
You asked me? It's an actor.
Yeah, he's an actor. Yeah. He's an actor. Most of them were actors, actually. I was like, but no, I mean, a lot of people are in the industry. So it's kind of hard to avoid, like, a lot of my friends are actually artists, or musicians hang out with a lot of musicians and producers. And yeah, I like to try and mix it up. I like to mix my worlds. I think it's good for your spiritual spirituality and your mental health to mix your worlds and make you a more
kind of, there was one year Reese was hanging out on the trade. He's
got exclusively. Exclusively trade is nice. Yeah, you know, but that's a good thing to do mix you Well, do you know, shouldn't just hang out with actors? Jesus? Yeah.
I think you know, just like with the material world stuff, are you doing stuff? Beyond acting? Are you doing writing to sort of do it? Yeah, directing stuff.
I'm not doing that. I mean, I studied screenwriting and like, I went to film school, I never studied to be an actor. I just sort of ended up always acting in student films. And then it kind of kicked off a bit more than my directing did, I think because yeah, I don't know. It just happened that way. Life kind of forges its own course of it. I I'm still riding though. I'm working on something at the moment with my friend pole and his fiance Lucci. We're running a, like a sitcom sort of thing. So yeah, I'm still writing. Definitely. I love that I'm really passionate about that. And I think it's a really good way to create opportunities for yourself as well. You know, you can cast yourself in something. So there you go.
And collaboration. I mean, working with other artists, you know, it's working with other people in general can be hard working with artists, I guess can even be harder, because everyone's got their quirks. I mean, how do you approach collaboration,
I guess you gotta really, you do have to really feel that out whether it's going to be a good collaboration or not like you just because you get on with someone you haven't really seen similar sense of human doesn't necessarily mean you're right, well together, or your work well together. So I think feeling that out, maybe like writing some smaller things, and just saying how it feels, and then go from there. And I think it's like totally fine, if it doesn't feel like a natural fit, to end the project early and can maintain the friendship, because it can really affect the friendship because it's very personal. Collaborating with people creatively,
you know, what does it actually look like writing something with someone or you literally sitting next to each other?
Yeah, it's kind of like, it's kind of like this, we just kind of chat, have a laugh. And then we're like, oh, that's funny. Let's write that down. Well, that's how we do it. That's how Paul and I do it. At the moment. That's how we're doing it. We're just kind of talk about ideas, or when we go out and something happens and inspires an idea and we write it down. Yeah, I don't know. I think everyone's approach is different. Some people might, you might like, plot out a storey. And then we might script it separately, a script together. So everyone has a different approach, but that my approach is generally just talk. Write down what we've spoken about maybe even just like run a scene, like improvise the same, and then write it and then come back to it. edited, you know,
so yeah, there's no rules to any of it. Yeah, whatever works. It's I think, and we
both playing a splice isn't based on our conversation.
Yeah, he's got some great material. And the activation.
Yeah, yeah, that's good. It's kind of sci fi, I think, in my head at sci fi, or maybe even like a dystopian world. Yeah, that's a good way. Yeah, I think there's a lot of the activation.
I get the vibe that it could even be I think it's got more that comedy. Truck fest all of a sudden, it turns out there was something in the steak at the end of the Oh, yeah.
I feel like what happens is actually yeah, Don, the fruit doesn't realise that the steak was for Tommy. And he eats right. The steak, Dawn. Yes. Fucking dawn.
I, I think we should end this collaboration. I don't know that.
is gonna work come out.
I think it's a natural. I don't think it's a natural sort of, you know, creative partnership. I'm out.
I'm definitely out of the I should have been watching Shark Tank. I have. Yeah,
it's a no for me. It's I love Shark Tank. It's a great show. I always think about Shark Tank ideas is big in the US. Is it a shark tank's a real good unwinding show, you know, after a long day of doing nothing?
What's a American thing to say that it's an unwinding? Like, it's good time? Why? Because it's still around is curry base? Yeah. Yeah. Well,
I won't be able to sit
down and watch. The next big one is going to be job interview, sit down and watch people have their job interviews. That's actually a great idea for a show.
And you'd like Oh, hey.
I'm back in, back in boys. I'll be interview for
interview. That's really good. So you just sit down, and always people will do their job interviews. And then you're like, I think it's number three. You know, what's your five year plan? And he's like, Oh, you know, I'll be like, I like I like that.
Yeah, you know, that can be a really cool show.
Old shows. Is this something about American? Like, for me, watching an American show has more cloud before I even know if it's called Cloud than an Ozzy show, which maybe it's just us being brought up with Hollywood being brought up
with cultural cringe and like self hate.
Yeah, that's true. But and so I love that. Yeah, that's, that's, I hate myself.
In 2011, I tried to get a green card because I wanted amazon prime. Like that's, that's where my where my vibes that
he wanted amazon prime.
So he gave up citizenship within Australia.
I did I tried the lottery didn't get it. So I'm just I just decided why. And now, amazon prime is in Australia, so I didn't have to move after. Oh,
wow. Isn't that beautiful?
You know what, that's a lesson in patience.
You know, that's the storey. I think they're going to write poems about that.
What else? Have you had some of those observations where it's like, consumerism gone wrong? I feel like on the spectrum of getting a green card fat, Amazon and nosh you're probably closer to the not what?
I find a way the weirdest about America is getting paid in checks.
They still paycheck.
Yes. You got to go cash a check. What what era? is this? Like? You're so ahead and suddenly wise, and then you still getting checks? Like if I didn't get my check in the mail? I'm like, I don't get my payment. What am I can you rescind my check? Good and find it,
Trump's focusing on the wall. And they're still paying people in checks. why they're
also showing this high pass. I remember being at a subway and paying papers and they lost them. They had the technology there. I just touched my credit card to pay something. And like all three people working there came around and sort of like thought I was some fucking like, subway started clapping. Yeah, exactly. Wow.
Yeah, it's all this weird things like that. That just Yeah, they just won't let the checks go. I find it so weird. I might just also they don't really have like, a, like, online banking isn't the same as it is here. Like I can just transfer you money easily. You gotta download a separate app.
Oh, wow. Yeah,
I know. That's annoying. Anyhow, that's not a big deal. Let's just look at
It's crazy, because PayPal came out of America. So did stripe?
Well, because all of these things are like trying to solve a problem, right? There's been, there's been cards that you can get with a magnetic strip on it, that you can switch between what card you're using, so you have a single card, but they're still using the strip, you still need to like swipe the card. So it's interesting to see how innovation changes when there just isn't mass adoption of something. It's the same with Apple Pay when they announced apple pie. It was like the Americans were like really excited about it. But the thing is like we've been paying that way in Australia with like our cards for a really long time.
Do they do minimums on card in America? Like I know I went there in 2012. But you know how it's the gronk here in Australia. Yeah, this bullshit bullshit. You gotta it's a minimum of 10 bar. No, no, no, not really,
actually. Yeah, they would. I can't really remember. Yeah, sorry. I went on
different battles here. Yeah, I'm just trying to know about Amazon Prime. Tommy doesn't want to pay us minimum and you're just trying to Yeah, 4g career in
Australia and citizenship for amazon prime that is
completely to be clear. I wasn't getting saw. I wanted to be a jewel citizen. I want the best of both worlds. I want it to be out. Wow, get my Amazon and then hang in Melbourne,
the logistics of that you would have to log the tax return every single year in the
US you know, it's huge in the States. It isn't as big yet what fraud. You know, people steal your credit cards more your identity. Like I got my credit card details swatted you Yeah, and now we're spending buying weird things like what?
Just like, kind of like, crappy hotel rooms. It's like, leave it up. If you're gonna rob like if you're gonna steal my day tiles go somewhere nicer.
Totally. It was like a really cheap room. I'm like you poor things. Even with someone else's cash. You got no taste.
One of the things that I like there's a lot of things like about us one of the things that I struggle with, even struggled with Travelling is I think it's a part of is my social anxiety but around tipping. The US is actually a little bit easier because you at least know where you stand. But places in Europe this it's all over the place. Some places expected some people don't I very much cash. What have you had a tipping? Yeah,
we're in Greece right now you can probably like no TV engrave no TV? Unless you're a restaurant, fine, fine dining restaurant, but not like, not just basic,
basic, basic stuff. But definitely. Yeah, it's it's it's not as clean cut. Like, there's a lot of places where it's like, and you Google it and clearly, somewhat like, basically you Google any place and I think they overstate the tipping culture. Like I think if you type in tipping Melbourne, they'll talk about tipping. Like, it's still a little bit of a thing where like, I've never been to I've I get pissed off when I spend a tonne of money at a like, why is it that the expensive restaurants that are charged? Like where the bills I can think $300 they were the place that's going to fucking serve lot. That's you know, that's the mom and pop operation that's charging like five bucks doesn't ask for anything. I guess because they the people go into these different shops. You know, if you go to the fancy on generally you have more money. Yeah, you can spend more money. You got more. You got more cash in your pocket?
Not always, but I hear what you're saying. There's a good point. Have you had any incidences I just 20% I just tip everyone 20% and if the service is really bad, 10% you still tip? That's the funny thing is like, the 10% tip is an insult. It's like, I'm gonna tip you 10% but I'm not happy. I'm still gonna give you some cash though. I find that really funny. Yeah, just do 10% It was terrible service. You know, I just, I do 20 and then up like, 20% is the minimum I find. And people like, Yeah, I don't know. I have a tip calculator. D Yeah. Cuz I want to
a lot of people live often. They don't get paid very well, when they're working service. And I worked in service for like, 10 years. I get it. I want to tip them if I can. I went to a nightclub in in LA. And I was on this table of this rich guy. And I was there with this American dude as a promoter. And I was sitting next to this rich guy. And shots just kept on coming out. And this guy was his surname was Washington. So he was out of the Washington family like,
big Nightmare on the money. How they are. Yeah, yeah.
Well, they own a whole stage. Wow.
Yeah. The who was the who was the part of that family that were famous family. Anyway, so he had to eat some money. That night, I ended up with his sunglasses, a pair of Dolce and Gabbana $500 pair on my head and I went home.
That's the old Tommy coming out. Probably loved
him. The guy came. So we were getting shots delivered to the table non stop. And this dude was newly read the vomit this rich dude. And the barman and he was like yelling at the barman. And I know, the nudge the bomb. And I said I got this. And I said night. He's all good. Just tip him. And then we find he's a guy blah. And he's like, getting a bit angry. He pulled out his water cash, took $100 and gave it to the shot, gave it to the barman and I tapped him on the back and said
hey, we got it. Oh my god, you asked for 50%
now I didn't take it. I was thinking of the Batman.
That's a wonderful thing to do. You probably paid his rent.
Yeah, at that point. I had the Dolce Gabbana sunglasses on my head. So
you and that guy did well.
You watched you saw a boy you remember that hundred bucks in the glasses?
Yeah. How I where do you wait when you in LA? What? Like very soon? What should we be? What?
Oh, I'll send you I'll send you a list. I'll send you a list. Okay, my favourite place where all right this is a hot tip for the listeners. If you go to LA get a Sunset Boulevard. Silverlake? Yeah. Really nice restaurant. It's like it's Israeli. It's called em. Zed. HTC MC aza is how they pronounce him as a Mazda. And it is sensational and really cheap. Just good quality. Simple, yummy food. Yeah, that's, that's wonderful. Anything kind of silver likes pretty good. Yeah, Echo Park, I'll give you a list.
And asked the hotel for that. We just wanted something light. And I can't remember the name. But we just arrived in the States. And we went to this place that the hotel recommended. I don't know if you know what turn off. Its famous. But it was like pancakes that were like the sheet back off massive. like pancakes that was so big. They were like the size of probably like bigger than an a4 piece of paper. And this was meant to be like our like, our light meal of God traumatised me? I think it's called I hope. Oh, yeah. No, it wasn't. It wasn't I hope it wasn't a franchise wasn't sort of one of those sort of big names. I can't remember what it was. It was on Sunset Boulevard quite like it is massive. Huge.
Yeah. Yeah. Josh, I got a list of places for us to go. From my from my mic. And so yeah, when
I look over at all over Yeah,
I'll show you the link. I'll check it.
I got some spice
today. Then what? Like what are you doing? Like, do you have a strict sort of know on what, oh, my God, are you kidding me?
I'm working the art style. And I just like, I just, you know, I'm gonna embarrass myself. And I like, well, this is what I do. runs like, you're out there working so hard. I'm like, yep, I go to the gym. I go to auditions, I do some riding, I'll then have a tree. Not always but you know, and then I'll like, go get dinner with someone. I don't know, you just been, you know, just like us chip away at it. But the thing is, you're always thinking about work when you're there. You're always like a there's always like maybe an opportunity around the corner or something. And maybe you get that big audition tomorrow. Yeah, things just pop up. And you
got a life that allows the opportunities, it allows you to seize the opportunities when they pop up. So you can't be off right working in the mines. Just you know, in Texas, not sure if there's mines there. That could be maybe, but you've got to be available.
Yeah, that happens a lot. You have to be on coal, like we need this type of immediately. Or you gotta go here tomorrow, like, you gotta win six pages in three hours. Yeah, it does happen. So you are kind of always on call, which is a little bit of bit stressful. You feel in limbo a little. But that's my cross to bear. That's what I signed up for. And when it's good, it's really good.
So I don't I don't know, you feel like you're the most happy.
When I get the call saying you got a job. Like, legitimately, I'm like, God,
do you find that it's like, because I find that through, you know, a video project. There's sort of these high moments, like, first getting the job. And then it goes a bit shit for a bit. And then it's like, Yeah, right. And that shit. And that's great. At the end. Do you have those key milestones of a solo thing? And then also excitement?
Absolutely. You know, you're often questioning what the heck you're doing. And then when you get a job, it feels amazing. And then you like, Oh, God, I gotta do a lot of work now. And then you start to have imposter syndrome. You like you're going to find out I'm terrible. I'm not really an actor. And then you do it. You're like, Oh, I was great. next minute, you're in a hot tub in so you're in a hot tub
on about chatting Tommy jacket?
Yeah, that's one of the highs. Yeah,
yeah, I think it's like one way from if you were to bring one thing from LA, what you've learned and apply it to yourself living in Melbourne, you know, just just taking that perspective. And then coming back, what would it be?
I think it would be like, I really believe in supporting one another. And I know that sounds so bizarre coming from, like learning that in LA, like, I've always believed in like collaboration community supporting fellow artists or people in general. But, you know, I really like at least my group of friends that they are. So in each other's corner, like, there's no like, you know, like kind of hiding the treasures. Oh, they are what they their Connexions or their opportunities. There's none of that. It's like everyone shares, and believes in the power of collaboration and community. And I think like, I wish there was more of that here in Australia, I wish there was less of the sort of, I know, our market isn't as big, but I really think like tall poppy syndrome, and all that stuff is really detrimental to our cultural growth, I think it's so much better for us to believe in one another and also believe in local talent, and like local projects and support one another completely, because this is like we produce such talent. This country produces incredible talent. And I think we really need to foster it and look out for one another. I don't know, I just like I love the support that I'm giving it. Like I was saying before, like the Australians in LA, I feel so supported by them in a way that I haven't. I mean, I felt support here. But over there, it's like a whole different thing. It's like, you know, we're really like, we're in this together and like we can do it together.
Right? What about like setting your sights on something bigger? Josh, and I talk a bit about it, where we're like, oh, we could you know, create this and try and get it here. But one thing from speaking to Robert Taylor from the sheriff on long Maya, he said to me, mate, you just got to think big fact forget about Australia get over get, like, go bigger than that. And he's point was just think bigger than that. And I feel like I've even been restricted to you know, what Josh and I can do with this podcast? What we can do with our business? And, and yeah, do you think it's Do you think that's a, an approach that it's like, there is there is Australia? Oh, god, yes, we are in this?
Absolutely. I mean, it's like, it's scary too, though, like we were saying to leave and to be like the comfort of this place. But I really think if you want to play on like the world platform, or at least have a go. Yeah, I mean, if you do whatever you can
to be expected to get paid and chase. That's what you said.
if you're a kind of get paid and checks, you should think about travelling, but I think it's like start here to just be really good at what you do from wherever you are, people will notice it's like what I was saying about Netflix before people making shows here and they're playing on Netflix and they're getting a lot of opportunities abroad. If you're good enough or like if you work hard enough it'll pay off and it can pay off internationally too. But I think it's it is a good thing to do if you work in like entertainment or whatever, give it a go go go go to the home of like, like a hub of entertainment right now on the telly right now. It's a real it's really in its moment for for the arts I think it see see like a huge industry. It's interesting. You know, even just what was it engine?
race, like do you think about in games in my end game is to buy a house here.
I just want to work enough so I can live here. Isn't that crazy? Like after everything I just said it's like, I just want to be like, I want to be able to work enough so I can comfortably live here because this really is my home and I love Australia so much. And I want to be I really do believe in, in our community in our industry here and I want to be a supporter of it in any way I can. I mean, it's like it started like it's like allowed me to be able to travel. If I hadn't have done what I've done here. I couldn't have I couldn't work abroad. No way I wouldn't have a visa. I wouldn't have representation. I would like to come back here as well. It's so fresh here. The air is so fresh. It's like yeah, it is a
food pantry. It's on the other side, I'm looking forward to getting out and not leaving my baby but
my thing is we be able to we travel to be able to get perspective of our own home, right like I think definitely his thing for me with being away for three months is it's like I I know that like travel for me is temporary but the thing the day to day is life that's the real thing. And so I think that what I gain from abroad is what I bring home and what actually happens at home and like the things that I start to appreciate in regards to the rituals that I have or how I approach certain things I think that's super important.
I we just kind of lost you there Josh so I reckon we need to quickly wrap this
up ladies also because I'm gonna move my car yeah true. I was thinking about that I was like the car park show because I want air on the car.
Get your own Yeah,
it's actually it's a thank you one night like especially given you're only in Melbourne for a short time coming in hanging and when you are back in town, we just like having like in Friends of the show. And also like even for like real friends like the fact that you guys are actually like each other in real life. That's
That's awesome. Isn't that wild? It's done done the long haul Tommy and I yeah, it's not this friendship is not nd if it hasn't ended yet it's never going to live into everything together.
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