#170 – Josh has been blackmailed/

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Cross face

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conversation sometimes we're recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket. It's a daily Talk Show Episode 170. Yeah, day

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off and heavy 170 baby. I know it's a round number. We like round numbers. I thought I'd trade myself and I've eaten to protein bars and a pack of sushi. I'm gonna vomit.

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That sounds like a horrendous combination. And

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what Anna coffee so really that myself, a doozy and I had some kombucha far out. I've had a lot.

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Yeah, we'll call this episode. Tommy shoots his pants.

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That's the seventh episode where we've caught in that.

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Sure. Yeah, how was your weekend? Yeah,

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not long, but I went away I drive a couple of hours thinking it's actually Melvin's interesting because you can drive two and a half hours and be on the border of the state which you know if you're from America, probably you can drive half an hour one way or go drive a couple of hours and passed through a few different states but in Australia it's and especially Melbourne it's it's actually pretty close to the border so we went out to it sugar with Bodie in me and it's on the Murray River which is the divide between the the states and had this awesome Airbnb so good. Amen. Airbnb is is the best I love and you've been staying in Airbnb for the last you live in a building base basically. But just hearing the kind of the story of the person and I reckon this is so many people what we stayed in this like it was basically a shed on this farm that is been completely kitted out into a three bedroom apartment was unbelievable. And the dad had Lucky's man cave down the bottom and then and when I say man cave, I'm talking polished concrete flooring and motorbike. descent. polished concrete is expensive. Ooh, la la. It's a it's a, it's a very much an Ola look at look at that. But he he restored motorbikes and just it was just amazing property but the the woman who we who was running the show she said oh yeah, I've been meaning to do it. I've been talking about it for two years and the kids moved out of home and and now we do it and obviously it's not for the money because it was about 125 bucks a night no 160 so it's like it's cool but I love that there's these stories where people have these little rooms and such it's amazing it's such great business as you heard of

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it yeah glad you getting on board yeah I actually I made a bit of Airbnb credit when I had my blog Melbourne geek

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in around early 2012 I did an article about Airbnb and was directing people to sign up and I got like probably like a few hundred dollars worth of Airbnb credits as referrals.

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Did you end up doing the file Did you have our yeah the fight so

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I mean I told you I'll tell I'll tell everybody else it I'm obsessed with fires. Like not I'm not an arsonist that I love a good sitting around a campfire. It's definitely the primitive side of me it's like you know back from when you know generations and generations of sitting around a fire fire fan sort of

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insurance primitive maybe just did it in doing primary school and you still like

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no no, look it up I've done a bit of study on this. can't recall any of it but I'll give it a

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gold Yeah, that's

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what I thought when I say study I mean Google no but the the reason a lot of people love sitting around a campfire is because it's it's like deep within us fire fends off like animals a lot of the time and it's just this calming. Like I could look at a fire and just sit there for hours. I love it. And and,

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and you got a few mentions while we're while it's like we need to bring Josh and Bray up here. And we can do this but the fire thing with a 19 month old baby, he just he can't be fact he's that he's over it for the best idea. And I know my brother did this. He bought a fire pit and he's got a daughter a year older than Bodie. But I know one night he said up and they stayed out there for the lighting of it. And then he was out there by himself and the kids. His daughter went inside. And so he went. So you lit one. You got it all set up. You did it yourself. No, no, it was already set up. We we did. We went down and me. We lease it. And I got some nice footage. And then we took barely back inside.

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How long did it last? Did you leave it on overnight? Oh. Did you know was a small for that. Or? What have you

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know. I stood on it. Pull the Tony Robbins? No I am snuffing it out what it's called. It sounds

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another word for masturbated.

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snuffing it now.

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Doesn't mean sniffing maybe that's that could be the word of the day. Removing the oxygen. I could imagine. That's what explains. No, you can't. This is a rule with word of the day is that you can't be creating misinformation they have to be actually. Alright. snuffing snuff it's to extinguish a candle or flying Yeah,

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it probably explains the process though. It's nothing sounds like it's like you removing the oxygen so it can't continue or something like that. The action of snuffing would be like to cover it up so it's it's dying. The flames die

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anyway. Okay. We didn't we didn't snuff the flame. We didn't snuff out the fire. We just left it going in it. And it went out. It was a small it was tiny. But we Yeah, I mean, I sort of made it a tiny snuff. It was enough. Yeah, it's nothing but it was walking around the fire holding easier and we can work out what why what was the eye on and he was like a little kid. He didn't know what what the heat was. It was like so what you know like when you face gets a bit warm from a fire and it's just like yeah, I'm feeling really we need it means that Robbie's he

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looks like it with you. This This was this be his first fire or is he experienced?

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Yeah, I think this that was his first fire.

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Yeah. And we also did it. It's Yeah, it was it was nothing I envisaged. It was

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it was boring. But it was a we had a great talk. And yeah, it was lots of horses and cows and all that stuff. So he loved it. So were you on like, did they have this shed set up for Airbnb. And then the Airbnb hosts stayed in, like their main house. What was extra setup or not? It was like they had the half day. And then I had this area that I had for a main base. I was like a completely separate place. You didn't even need to talk to the family. And completely separate from the half. It was awesome. But what I was I was thinking like, looking at this, this this man, this guy who had his man cave and and all these little trinkets and stuff. And I'll see Fuck this. I I respect people who have those real obsessions on something lie. Yeah. And maybe it's the it's exactly what we have with our obsession for creating content. It just isn't as blokey is it. You know being able to put together a motorbike from scratch

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and yeah I'm he said would you like to be able to do that I said fuck and what do you mean I can do that

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but she said I got it I get it's like being that man who's super handy handy with tools and handy with with staff which is it's not you and I is that it's definitely

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not you know, I can make Derek i think is it is an interesting mix because he can it'd be able to pull apart motorbikes and put them back together into all the handy stuff and he's like into art and creativity yeah

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it's got a good mix yeah he's the is the ultimate man's man you Derek and I always listen

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I am I got an email I wanted to talk about.

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Yeah, and the email says you're the subject line is your would is and then it has one of my old passwords which I'm sure I probably use for for things still

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and a range of that I'll replace the password with 1990 my year of birth just to keep it nice and easy as I write this email okay this is this is the email I got so the subject is your password is 1990

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I'm aware 1990 is your past word let's get right to the point you may not know me and you're probably wondering why you're getting this email no one is compensated me to investigate about you in fact I set up a software on the adult videos in brackets porn website and there's more you've visited this website to experience fun you know what I mean? Oh while you are viewing video clips your web browser initiated initiated working as a are the P that has a kaloga which provided me with access to your display screen as well as web camera immediately after that my software gathered all your contacts from your messenger Facebook and email account next I made a video first part displays the video you're watching you have nice taste smile and second part displays a recording of your webcam and it is you you will have not one but two options let's check out the options in particular first solution is to disregard this email message in this is instance I most certainly will send out your tape to every one of your contacts or them visualize about the awake Ignis you we'll see and definitely if you happen to be in an important relationship exactly how it will be affected

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the other choice will be to compensate me $3,000 we're going to call it a donation consequently I most certainly will quickly delete your video you can keep on your daily life like this never took place and you were never going to hear back from me and then he's got like details of sending him Bitcoin amazing JJ has been caught winking finally again

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you know what that's costing me

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a fortune I mean I'm gonna say Is it true Did

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you

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look we don't know but the thing is what an amazing scam because what they're doing is they're taking data that is private so password and basically there's there's been lots of hacks over the years right Adobe had a beak hack where you know hundreds of thousands of passwords were revealed and you can go to I think it's like I think it's like Have I been pawned pw ad like owned and you put in your email address and it will tell you or no you can put in your password I think and it will tell you whether it's being compromised and what that site does is it searches all of the available data that's been made available through hacks and it will say yes when you do a search this password comes up yeah

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so that's what's happened they've they've just gone through a database of connected up my email address with the password and never emailed me and said hey this is your password it's believable isn't it?

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Yeah that's it's full on I'd shoot myself I mean

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second time today

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and so yeah I mean you're you're savvy you knew that was there anything inside you that thought fact

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I'm done even even just reading the email it's still played into this thing which was like our man I really it made you think about security in a bigger way which is like you know what, this isn't too This isn't far fetched at all.

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And so with With that in mind, it definitely made me like to think hang on I'm sure I probably still have you know three or four websites that still use this password from you know, legacy accounts I don't really check yeah

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would would you be I mean you've given me shit for having that that piece of tape over my camera and I've actually taken off because of us doing the remote recording I always have the camera and so you can say me

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but yeah I was thinking like I mean you could totally just aren't it's not the most embarrassing thing getting caught having a wink it's like if there is many there's there's a lot worse Have you seen you wouldn't have seen it it's a TV show Black Mirror

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there's a there's a horrible episode that is all about this someone been involved some other stuff I won't go into but it's like they extort this person is horrible but it's like it's like some sea cow is just imagine the worst case scenario when it comes to someone looking up something they shouldn't be online and then like leaking this video or my god but it's man this stuff happens there would be some poor corporate executive who works at some high bank who thinks I fact

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I got me Do you think I should email back this Aaron guy and turn it on him and say

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I've just I've managed to log your details and I'm gonna let everyone know that you watched me

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everything's this guy doesn't know which is worth

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you would be the ultimate fucking scammer like if you actually just decided tomorrow look, you know Tommy lead media company. I'm shutting down we've we've closed the book so before we started trading I'm actually getting into scamming I'll probably join you on that business to support you there too because it'd be pretty lucrative company does it sounds generic enough as a name that we could definitely include scamming is one of our sort of it was yeah it's a out of South Africa that's way way based for that leg of the business yeah there's a little scam ego from there but

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I just I just thought rating it I just had to empathy for him. How many people like it wouldn't take that what you'd only have to be slightly less technologically like the only thing that would need to happen really is if I hadn't changed all my passwords and I wasn't aware of you know that this goes on I would 100% think it was real and I wouldn't just I would be freaking out um yeah if there would be a lot of people that would be scared scared shiftless but three like that's a lot of money to be contemplating sending three K and then working out how to get this get that sheet into bitcoin

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it's yeah to make a Bitcoin deposit I guess there's there's cash apps that everyone's Should I

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email them and ask hi Can you send me a screen grab is proof Will you brushed over the question I asked you had your veins

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I mean yes do that because then yeah I would love to say the photo

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so it was that was an interesting email to be clean it did go into my spam folder which is a good sign so it means that maybe a lot of people won't even get to see their email and get the opportunity to be freaked out yeah you know

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see I mean you just it's like ignorance is bliss what you don't know you don't know and the people that have actually got some dude on some Boston and what you don't know you don't know the next minute there's a

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video views just pulling it it'd be a terrible way to live wouldn't

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wait I was talking to Mason in the office here last week and we're talking about I just showed him I was like check this out this is a scam email and it's a it's a return to dream so they basically creating a you know mail send a file what's the what's the what's the terminology and he's trying to sell you know like what if your mail goes down and you send something off to somebody and then it can't bounces back to you or they are yes yeah the mail server delivery notice that in literally turned to send us sounds very snail mail

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of you. It sounds like somewhat someone from the internet organization he's got received your a mango

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now we're gonna have to return tend to the back of the email has written on the back of a mouse. He's putting his email address, no mail server delivery file. And so then they take my email and and sort of created that and inserted mine. And then it's basically it was like a reverse. It was like, just offering up like, some kind of animation. Seo service business. It was weed, it was like this is it didn't seem like it was trying to fleece me for heaps of money. It was like, yeah, the reverse engineered of getting you to get SEO with this company is bizarre that

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social engineering is super interesting if there's, I've mentioned it before. But there's a book called The Art of deception by a guy named Kevin Mitnick, who was the first sort of known hacker in the world who was actually put into solitary confinement because they thought that he could whistle into a phone and set off Noakes but he talks about there's two parts of hacking. There's the

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there's the there's the technical side. And then there's the social engineering side, which is if you think about it, they actually don't have that much detail the detail they have ease an old password and an email address there. And what they've been able to do is they've turned that into a story that they can then leverage without the store. It's got nothing. So I mean, magicians do this on a it's more of a kind basis. Were these people channeling their skill of manipulation and human psyche manipulation into something pretty negative? I've always thought about like, and I can imagine you've looked into this stuff, learning sort of those manipulation techniques, not for bad, I couldn't imagine you want to do anything bad with them. But just understanding you know, what are people's tells? Or

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I think there's like the people that want to learn it that it's probably the, you know, be too stiff. I've got that vibe. Yeah, I think you'd be too stiff, though. You'd be too awkward. I think you'd know that you're being dodgy bastard to some degree. But then there's a person that's like, like instinctively amazing at us with a have just started doing it. And then they pick up a few of these little tricks on the way that then just blow people's minds. And then they robbed people.

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It's funny that you mentioned magic because I've actually found a new hobby that goes beyond my subscriptions. So for people who don't know Tommy gives me a lot of shit for having a lot of different subscriptions and buying shit on the internet specifically digital products is that right?

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Yeah, it's a fair Yeah, I mean I pitched the video of let's let's put up on the wall post it notes all the subscriptions and in the middle workout how much and you shut down the idea because I think a lot of out like I it makes me sick thinking about I mean, you don't have kids? You spending what I do on Bodie on subscriptions per week per day, come on dumb shit

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on Stam

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just remind me I'm going to delete my standard subscription before it charges me. Thanks. Thanks, Jeff.

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Oh, yeah. Well, that's the only reason I have Stan

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it's because I forgot. Yeah. Is it actually I yeah,

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absolutely. That's funny, because it's the same with me

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yet. So yesterday, I got into

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buying Magic Online buying magic. Is it a magic kid or a magic

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not another magic kit. So there's, there's a website called penguin magic penguin. And what it is is magicians will show you a magic trick. And then they have a price and you can buy the magic trick. Genius business.

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Yeah, I love that.

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Yeah. And so I bought my first magic trick yesterday. Yeah,

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Bray was your brain I were out to dinner in Dubrovnik king in Croatia and she's like

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was a bit antsy to get back to do the magic

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and then embracing something as we're walking back like

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you'll be able to

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do magic soon or something and then I said to her I'm like are people from the outside of probably thinking that some sort of like sexy conversation like yeah that's gonna be magic when in reality will going back so

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these guys just looks every just hits his hand on his chest. Wolf wolf.

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So there you go. So penguin magic I've only bought one magic trick I watched the 30 minute video yeah, it's a bit of a mind fuck and I need to re watch it and I also need to buy a deck of cards but I'm super interesting now that's

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great. Like I'm looking on here now 2995 for the old Terry Ward Live Act that's amazing and how did you get onto the site up Guido

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Hi. I was just I was actually doing some research of a some guests that we're going to be having on the in the US and it came up in one of the the podcast episodes and I was straightaway hooked I went on there got my account

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amazing and you've made your first purchase Can you play Can you please just trade this is like I need to actually nail this trick if I purchase it

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yeah that's exactly been my thought behind it. So the guy who I heard about it from he was talking about amateur magicians tend to buy a lot more tricks because they don't have many people to show so they get old very quickly like if you think about it oh and they really have you and brain to be able to do the magic tricks to yeah so there's only so many times you're going to watch it before you gonna get over it.

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Yeah Now Iran Did you see the guy that was on Joe Rogan recently?

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Elon Musk no no no not him the guy last week I mean a lot mastered a magic trick but it wasn't the same as this other brokers who we share prices I think just

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amazing it's amazing puff puff fall

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if you have no idea what we're talking about Elon Musk genius was on Joe Rogan and smoked a joint with Joe Rogan. And what's your what's your take on it?

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What I was watching that live as you pass that I fucking lost it I was like this is best thing ever This is unbelievable. It's just it's so it'd be it would be it's it's almost as good as if I got you on camera smoking weed because it's so awkward it'd be so interesting so much at stake

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but not so much it stuck with me too I mean I've already I've got some guy trying to get money out of me for

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banking video Who cares if I know I know you a little bit of weight I mean it's different different levels of steak

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you probably what's

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worse Do you think

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now it's it's a bizarre time and I and you said to me that are the stock price is gonna fall based on him puffing that joint which you know, I was like, well, it doesn't really matter it's going to go back up again. And and anyway of Sure enough, it's like such an opportune for the media to go hard on Elon Musk, because he's been pretty hard on the media. He's like, you know, some of the stuff he's done to them, like, trolling them genius. Like so funny. And then of course, the headline, like, what they're saying is, you know, these people, these big senior people of the company have, you know, left and smoking the joint and it's like, they kind of make it out like the joint was the reason why all those other things happen if you just a brush over, but if you actually look, the the chief people officer and the

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CFO, they left like last week or something before he smoked a joint. I mean, but that's not that doesn't make it any better. Right? If anything that's worse, because it means that there's actually an internal reason why people are leaving to leave companies all the time, like we could easily the CFO, I think, was the CFO who had been in the job for two weeks. Yeah,

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and he's realized, Holy fuck, this is probably I've been off more than I can chew men, as if, like, imagine working in a company like that. It'd be crazy. Most people couldn't handle it. And he probably just couldn't handle it. Yeah,

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I think that the I mean, I had two thoughts on the Elon Musk smoking weed thing. I think the the issue when it comes to like, how it affects the stock price is because you start to think about the decisions that he's making. It's not, it has actually nothing to do with the smoking of the pot and everything to do with his ability to

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to have some level of self control. And I think that, especially when things like deadlines for products, you know, taking longer than expected, it doesn't, you know, it's not a good look. And secondly, I think when I watch it, I just feel like, I hate anyone that's trying too hard. And I feel like he's so smart. He's got so much to offer. And in that moment, it just felt like the smart kid trying to do something for backing all the cool kids to get a reaction. And you see on Twitter, everyone's buying manufacturing. Yeah, but like, I don't necessarily see that as a admirable thing. So you think it took away from the things did you listen to the interview? Yeah, so I watched it. I actually didn't get to. I watch the first half. So you probably watch the other bit that I didn't watch. I watched the first hour and a half, which is amazing. Some of the stuff they're talking cry. Yeah, it's shocking. And so I was like, and then I've watched that clip, you know,

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so I had a little bit more context than probably what most people commenting on it did. Who would just watching the single clip and it just feels like to me that it's a

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there's a desire for him, obviously, to be liked, and to be, you know, seen as someone who's a little bit edgy. And it felt like more more that than anything else. Yeah,

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I mean, he knew

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how hardly what that was going to do. And as if they hadn't talked about it before. He hadn't thought about it before you going on a show with that guy?

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Yeah, but that was the whole thing. The whole thing felt like these awkward for play to the weights that like it was all like having a drink. Oh, should we crack open the drill? It was all Christ me out of it. It was a little bit, you know, had like, a little bit of sleep. Did you not feel that vibe? Now?

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I mean, I've watched enough Joe Rogan to know that's just him doing what he does, and offering. Yeah, it's, I can people drink whiskey. People smoke weed. Richard Branson's talked about smoking weed. And it's illegal. Where he does it for years. And he's born and he's one of the smartest men on Earth.

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I think the thing is that it's got nothing to do. Like there's a difference between like, I'm sure he you know, Elon Musk probably smokes weed outside of the context of being in you know, on a in an interview. I think that that's the the issue is it's not it's got nothing to do with, you know, there's a lot of people who are super successful, who have done varying, you know, drugs. Yeah, like, look at someone like Steve Jobs with things like LSD and stuff like that. Like it's not, this isn't some sort of uncommon thing. But I think that it's the

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it's how it was positioned within the conversation that I thought was just it, it felt elevated even in the interview. But maybe it feels uncomfortable because it's something you've never done and I don't expect it to mass I think that that's the reaction I think that that's the common reaction to the to that push back which is like our man now this is just like and this is the issue that I have with drinking to us I think that there's a desire that people have which is like if you've done something you want to have other people around round you doing it because then it sort of you feel connected so sort of gives a bit of a tick of approval and so I think for a lot of people who have done it

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you know you're you're feeling elated by it because you like this is awesome Elon Musk one of the smartest people in the world is smoking pot and that somehow because I've smoked pot rubs off on me or means that we have set like you know 1% of the same line yeah

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I think I've grown up with a feeling of people always looking to see if I've got if I'm doing the wrong thing I think this has this reeks of people looking to see when he does the wrong thing and the the fact that the only thing that the mainstream media really talking about is that split second on that show when there's so many amazing bits within it that a great and it's the choice of the mainstream media that they've made made that that choice to go hard on that on those I think that's culture as well isn't it? What do you mean?

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Well, so it's beyond like, you know, mainstream media is a reflection of our culture. And you know, like Joe Rogan ease you know, he's a advocate for the legalization of marijuana. There's, I just feel like there's a whether, you know, my view on marijuana is like alcohol has, you know, in a lot of cases, worse effects on society than marijuana from what I've read. However, I think that what's potentially getting lost at the moment is I actually think that there's a move towards

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illicit drug use that as happening through, you know, books that are promoting things like psychedelics and stuff like that. And I think that a lot of young people will be consuming that content and will take that as I okay, well, I'm just going to start being someone who smokes pot at parties or whatever it is, and it will have an impact on their life. That could be negative, it could cause psychosis, for some people who have wired certain ways, it's not going to be beneficial. So I think that the issue that I have is that we they seems to be applied at the moment to play down things like marijuana and I have the same opinion of alcohol. I just think that I just don't get the the glamorization of something that could be so detrimental to people when they health

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Yeah. But I think you sit around the culture of what these news outlets are painting I think it's a culture that vi a skewing, not necessarily how it actually is. I think the the way that it's like, I think it's just desperation from these places to get a lot of attention. I know what you're saying about

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about the

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people educating people on these substances as being this appealing thing these days, but it's only ever been sold the opposite direction, which is every single negative overcorrecting though now I don't know if we are just yet i think i think we haven't even got halfway because maybe it's I think it needs to go further if we get if that's an over correction because

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because do you think that it would be beneficial for someone to smoke pot every suit? Could you imagine smoking pot every weekend? Every weekend?

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Yeah. Yeah, I could imagine that. Like,

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why at the moment don't you it's just the cost of pot what like what is the actual reason that you choose not to smoke pot every weekend

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I think I mean I had I had a experience ages ago that I just kind of went offered. But it wasn't even like wasn't even part but I kind of enjoyed it. It's just it might be it represents a pallet part of my life that wasn't you know that enjoyable. I was young and I was restless. And so maybe there is that connection. I know my friends who were who were not smoking anymore they feel the same way

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that it does kind of represent this this part of our childhood you know wasn't great

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but God I mean you don't drink you get peace once awake. If you actually get fucking shit faced. You done you down into Wednesday. Like if you literally catching up on sleep on Sunday, and you just ruined awake. So I mean, I recognize the list thrashed if I had a little joint every Saturday, then I would be if I went out and got tanked. And I'm not saying one, you should do one or the other. But I actually don't think I'd be is

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fatigued mentally physically. And do you think that that's part of the issue around this debate, though is that it becomes a debate around alcohol is somehow becoming a standard of what what we should be benchmarking all of this stuff on I think it it is the only benchmark that we have, because it is a drug that is clearly very effective and has been made it has been made legal. It's

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I mean, it is such a deep rabbit hole getting into, you know, the drug debate and how it's been painted by sitting presidents and you know, so many things like okay, so there's there's I think there's there's so many facets to to the W debate I think that the the thing to keep in mind is that just because so I think that the criminalization

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around drug use and what governments have done to you know imprison huge amounts of minorities is completely wrong and

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should should

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you know, drug use be decriminalized maybe I think that the thing that we shouldn't be looking at is as a society how we speak about those drugs. So I think that I'm actually more for marijuana being legalized everywhere and having education versus what's happening at the moment, which is not only legalized in a lot of places, and we have a lot of high profile people speaking about it in this sort of, in the same way they talk about the benefits of meditation or or something,

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well, there's a system that's been in place and people are rising above that system to make their own rules essentially,

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I mean, there's been fine many more deaths from alcohol and there has been from marijuana and I think it probably will be legal at some point in our lifetime in Australia I wouldn't be surprised in 40 years it might change

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but yeah I don't know it's it's interesting time that we see this happen and maybe does just point out how as much as California or forward and progressive in their legalization of it, that people aren't actually ready for it to be this really like, okay, thing for people to be doing. And yeah,

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I think I think that it probably fits in the same The, the concern I have is that it fits in the same category is the Steve Jobs with the idea that sort of, you've got to be an asshole to be a good leader or stuff like that, right. Steve Jobs, I think was successful, despite the fact that he had issues working with people

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versus, you know, the, the drug debate or the drug conversation which I think there are a lot of young people and even young people, you know, in their early 20s or, you know, close to turning 20 that I know that

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you know, they they consuming this type of content and they're picking out these different bits and thinking that to be a successful person in life because Richard Branson smokes weed this is the thing that you know that somehow for one it's it's better than what it was before and to that it's somehow going to give them the edge which I just think is the wrong yeah I

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don't think it plays out like that because everyone has the experience of life and where they've been brought up but i think it's it's never it's it's not as simple as painting it like that where people just say oh well he does it all do it think you're pretty stupid person not you personally pretty stupid person if that's your thinking behind something like if if because I see that I go well you know short like saying Joe Rogan smoke weed it's like reminds me if we're not doing this I maybe I'll give it a go at some point the next year or so I mean what was it when I sent you the the photo of a lon musk smoking weed What was your reaction

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Oh I see. Yeah,

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I think I think you get sucked into that

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mainstream media point of view where it's like it maybe I did maybe you thought that like that's where you start thinking and taking something but I knew that that would be your your sort of angle on the thought of it like seeing the share price go down I like it

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it's it's interesting I'm not saying it's bad but what would your your specific thought was man I'd love to see you give it what I said to you. Oh yeah yeah I said the and so I think we'd love to watch you then I think is the I mean you talk about that if people are fucking listen you know taking that and saying well I'm gonna do it like you're someone who's done it and you're basically used this figure who was seen as someone who is successful and a lot of ways and saying hey he's done it maybe you should give it a go

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yeah yeah i think that the the thing with them because I I'm just really us tonight, you and even drink a glass of scotch actually, actually, you know what's gonna happen to you in the States. I'm going to spark your dream as a bit of Molly,

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and we're gonna have a good night New York City even fucking know Molly's

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I yeah, I just think that there's a I get the push back to the pushback against authority and the people trying to blow up you know, something and sort of paint something in a negative light. But um, I don't think that the answer is to then do the other way, which is glamorizing these things um, but maybe it's being painted that this is the way it's being glamorized because the opposite is just, you know,

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smearing,

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smearing it and talking down on it and so, but maybe it's not so maybe it's just like it is correcting itself in the way it's been talked about and the information that we're actually hearing from influence when two people nowadays

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because I remember that I remember the fee that the around the education of marijuana, gateway drug and all this shit, right? It's like, I remember that education towards me as a young kid and how did you have so the Have you had any friends that have had drug issues or that have overdosed or anything like that will definitely not marijuana?

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Yeah, ice problems and made a tell you what they did first a drink. There's the fucking gateway drug, the amount of people that have a few drinks, and all they want to do is get a bag of cocaine. It's like it is the gateway drug. And it's legal. I could go to the shops right now and kill myself by drinking seven layers of beam. That'd be horrible. But do you think that

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so I think that maybe that's the concern, though, is that we like doing need to then look at alcohol, which is, you know, I think that over the years, I've been criticized by friends for having a negative view on alcohol.

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And I think that we, as a society, we, I think we do sort of

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it is to acceptable accepted at the moment in the sense of, you know, you go to a work function, and people will be getting pissed and I think that in this day and age have made to, and I think that if people actually want things like a quality, I actually think that things like how we consume alcohol, and how we allow that into the workplace is a big factor as well. Yeah,

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yeah, I would put money on it, that there would be less of these incidences as assault, sexual assaults, if everybody was stoned. And it's not saying one is better. But it's just like that there is the fact that what alcohol does to somebody, people turn into putrid humans on this stuff. And I agree with you, I know you've negative views towards but I don't think they are any worse than the next person who doesn't drinkers had bad experiences. And he's kind of against it. I was listening to someone talk about the experience of

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someone. So the experience, the experience of being drunk is perceived different in different cultures. So for us, and I think the culture of Australia is getting piece down the pub and fucking feeling like you've, you know, drank a million carbs and that got seven liters of alcohol in your stomach and, versus someone who sees alcohol in a tribe is this ritual where they you know, connect to a higher force it's like it is the same thing but has a completely different effect based on how the viewed within the culture

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and I started but it's so different to the reasons that like we are using things like alcohol same same drug which in effect is my point based on the corner it's different it's a pacifier it's becoming it's becoming a way to numb have lives and I don't necessarily think that that's an important thing Yeah, I think that that's a important factor that we we need to look at as well yeah,

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yeah, it's not a it's not an easy one. It's always good chatting to you about this stuff by I mean it's an ongoing conversation we will have on this podcast yeah over a glass of scotch in New York City and may or may not be sparked now I won't do that too bad we definitely long as I've

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as long as I've got Coke Zero just to produce Cal's

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like, Oh, we could just have it strike Yeah, on

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the rocks. Nate we have a

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very quickly I was spewing I I never take medication really. Which is I realized is my own issues as well. Like I just have I'm very funny about taking shit. But

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on our bus drive bus ride bus ride to in Croatia. I took another one of those sickness motion sick tablets. And it worked a trait and I looked on the back though actually didn't look on the back Bray Google because we bought them in Singapore or and one of the possible What is it? Cold side effects? Yeah,

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white game and in fact need that.

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Especially because like when you're on a bus, what do you want to you want some little Chucky cheese and chippies. Are you sure they're not just marijuana pills? You're just getting the munchies.

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Maybe I'm just well Hi. I'm going to I'm going against Amsterdam in today's time,

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so be careful. Yeah, so what happens? Maybe I'll end up taking a brownie and I did that losing my mind and shooting my pants. You would literally lose your mind. Oh god. I don't even think about why. Well, what's your reaction from Oh,

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I know that I had that bad experience by eating cookies. And it's just you know, processes differently through the body. So this it's like the same drug but THC which you know you just marketed it goes in D system a different way versus ingesting it and it being processed through stomach and it has a different effect on on you and it has different feeling and it can it can be more like trippy doing ingesting it and eating it. So I could just imagine you ever think you would be thinking 10 million miles an hour I can imagine. Yeah, I don't

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and you're an asthmatic. So doing the having a joint wouldn't be good. Did it play out with your asthma? You will probably was the Benson and hedges that I was punching as well.

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Now it's all bad. It's all bad in terms of for an asthmatic. It's so bad for an asthmatic.

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Should we should that be the title of today's episode? It's all bad. It's all it's all bad. It's so bad for an aesthetic is pretty funny to actually might be a bit too long to daily talk show everyone tell us what you think a way out of our minds. Am I wrong? Is Tommy wrong? We both wrong we both rise?

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