#149 – Visiting Auschwitz/

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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy to daily Talk Show Episode 149. Happy Friday. Tommy jacket. Yes

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it is eve of one 50th actually not a us because we're gonna go through the weekend to get to Monday. But might I was just thinking how many shows have we weathered now? Since you've been away?

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I don't know.

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How long have you been a while? You've been away for a month I've been yeah it would be I would say probably 20 plus episodes we've done remotely crazy it sounds

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actually can't believe we haven't missed one it's yeah

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full on putting the pressure on like I've today I've started getting sick Oh. And so I sort of am happy that it's happening now on Friday so I have Saturday Sunday to sort of recover I'm hearing

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some blame of the daily talk show via secrecy so

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not everyone's been getting brought blind when I get sick Bray get so upset with me was she's being go. Cuz she was. She's been sick for about a week. And then with like a sore throat. And yeah, coughing up blood or good stuff like that. But

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all of a sudden, JJ starts getting an ego and he's throat and the world's ending.

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Ah,

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yeah, I've heard you say this. It's the it's the man flew at scale. Yeah, it's like yeah, you the least man a massive release. manly man. And then for some reason, you start beating your chest like a silverback.

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You get a bit of a call?

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I don't know. It's just. Yeah, I don't. I don't handle it. That Well,

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you just said that's okay. It's good for me to be sick rather than you. Because normally you've been sick so much lately. So yeah, it does take one for the team. Why? Yeah,

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I have been in I it was a little bit of something creeping in. And then I was filming with Craig Harper, who was sick. He's been sick for a couple of weeks as well. It's just, it's, it's not good. Everyone. Very high touch the season. Because we come in completely different parts of the world. No, I definitely season here because it's winter. And there's something going on. But um, it's I I know, I've got that sore throat he thing when I've been traveling, because it's not like you've been busy. You run that you get run down from just being you know, getting up early, get walking a lot. Like if you're exerting more energy than you do in Melbourne. And you're walking around.

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Yeah, it sounds like a dumb thing to complain about. Be. I definitely feel we went to Auschwitz today. And so that that was one of those sort of experiences where it takes a lot of energy, like you're thinking about and processing all these like, have renders things. What's the vibe, like happened? Yeah, well, it's like the, when you go on the bus, the bus is about an hour and a half from, you're driving for an hour and a half from Krakoff. And you watch like, the tour that we did, basically, you're watching a documentary at the start, which was a good way of doing it. Because, like, just with the lack of knowledge that I have on everything, it sort of feels in all the gaps. So you have a bit of an understanding. But um, yeah, the vibe, it was it, it was intense, what they were talking about, and everything like that. But it's, it's done, it's done in a way where there's so many sort of, they've got, you know, photography, they've got like, it's like a museum, right? So they've got so many examples of, you know, they've got just part like, the thing that I found probably the most moving was the, the hair. So all the people who had their, you know, the Jews that had their head shaved, there was like, I don't know, Dave, and I had to describe how much Hey, there was just like, these humongous pile of hair that they've actually preserved only. And so it was things like that. So it was like the hair there was like, shoes, shoes, like, so many, like old shoes, and glasses. And basically, what would happen was

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the Jews, but we're, we're told to bring their things. And what happened when they arrived, was

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all of their stuff got taken, and got put into the, what was known. I think it was like Canada shops. It was basically like prosperity shops, and it was they would go through and clean up all of the juul and stuff like that. And they would sell it and also send it back to Germany, and stuff like that, that able to wear. So I mean, I knew I knew nothing about all of this stuff. So it was Yeah, it was super interesting. It's crazy. And who, who's running the two? Or is it

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a German person? Is it like, Is it so

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it's, it's, it's a pole, because we're in Poland. So yeah, Polish, it's a Polish person. And yeah, they've just, they've got so much sort of background on all of all of the different stories. And there's all these rules that have been created by the I guess, like the victims families where, for instance, there's no restriction on how many people can go to Auschwitz. So there's, so when we went It was really crowded. So basically, they when they were creating those rules, they never expected that they would have the sort of interest they have today. So our tour guide was actually saying that they'll probably be a point where they have to re look at those types of things.

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Yeah, too many people going it's like we Alcatraz, so many people at Alcatraz. I mean, they see this is making money for them. I wonder who owns the land? Or is it like the government that or? Yeah, so it'd be there's a, there's like a body who looks after and sort of the preservation

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of the, of the whole area. But I think the, the thing that I wasn't aware of was that there's a place called Burke and how, which is the sort of the second concentration camp, but that's it's way, way bigger. And that's where basically the mass killings, you know, the mass murders happen where Jews were put into gas chambers and killed

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and so yeah, it was, it was interesting, sort of, yeah, getting getting a sense of the history and how, how it sort of how it started, and how, how it sort of incrementally got worse, almost as it was going on, because at the beginning, it wasn't sort of the it wasn't them, the gassing of Jews at the beginning that came a bit lighter. So almost like rushing to get it all down.

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I went to school with a guy who told me that his grandma was from over there, and she had a tattoo on her arm, which would like a number from the from the camp, I think they gave it to, I think she survived. And so yeah, yes. So there's only a few people that have that. Because basically, that happened, I believe, in the earliest days, when it was just a switch before that built out the second camp, because by the end of it, there was I think it was something like, there was only in some cases,

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it was only a few days between when you would arrive, and then when you were killed. Yeah. So they, when they, I think there was over a million people were killed, basically, in these camps. And so by the end of it, they get none of the, the Jews who were

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murdered in Berk and how in the second camp, none of them had the tattoos, none of them had the official photos taken. That was more political prisoners and people sort of against the Nazi regime that had had that because

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not everyone went to Auschwitz, it was like ghettos that were created that were like, almost compounds with like, in crack of, I was listening to a woman recently on a podcast and do this horrible story of they used to hide during the die off in the roof. And there was a family and there was a bunch of bunch of adults and then two babies. And some Germans came to inspect the house because they're always looking for people that aren't meant to be that they're looking for, you know, Jewish people and the baby started crying and they had to put the pillars of the babies faces and yeah, and they didn't survive because otherwise everyone would have died.

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Well, that was the thing I mean, those guitars were all around that occupied like it throughout Europe where Germany was occupying and people went up to like it took nine days to get to the concentration camps and so they weren't told that the Jews didn't know that that's you know that they were going to be going there for one to be murdered or to even they weren't talking that they were were going into a concentration camp they were actually they thought rk like anything can be better than the ghettos that they were in at the time and so yeah it's like I feel like I'm only just scratching the surface and this I just it made me realize how much I want to dig in and find out more and to learn this The thing is there's so many good podcast that delve into this history it's yeah

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yeah I've been quite quite liking getting into history listening to some some new podcast

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yeah it's

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I want to listen to what about the war like this stuff fascinates me my my grandfather was in World War Two and he was born in 1904 1905

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so it was fucking newly born in the 1800s just crazy yeah and and he was captured by the Japanese as any was a prisoner of war for two and a half years

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unbelievable but like I remember him telling me stuff about it very much top line stuff but I've been told more from my father my dad and my RC battle just like yeah it's savage it's like the heat but the point of it is like history this sheet went on it's so far from our reality I wanted to talk to you about how the the the have a bit of an update actually on the area that you and I occupy here in Melbourne Collingwood and that's where our offices but there's a is been society the difference switching gear the age calm 30 kilometer an hour speed zones to be enforced in Melvin's in a North

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the changing jobs in Collingwood and Fitzroy the doing in residential I mean this is what I hate about the project that they they talk about serious shish and then they somehow do a sort of this giggle this awkward giggles like how can I change of pace now yeah into a like

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I'm 100% is engaged for something like this I mean we do it we can't do a whole episode on on yeah exactly when you die but I'm sure I hope that we get a food update because Josh is food diary I wouldn't mind here

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you say a food update? Yeah you

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haven't done a food diary update I have I didn't need that much. I did have a burger from New Zealand burger place which was good at know 3030 kilometers an hour so we're about is this just in Collingwood? Yeah, so they saying Justin Collingwood and speeds will drop 30 kilometers on residential streets in Collingwood in Fitzroy from September in a move to be an Australian first it's understood that it will serve as a test case in the new speed limit could be proposed for other areas in Melbourne. It's interesting because my friend Dr. Paul this isn't pulling all of Australia This is just my friends Instagram feed so to see small how many followers his ego is actually got over 3000 college classes and influencer and 17% have come in and said yes. And a big whopping 83% of people have said No, they don't want this. It's such a funny thing. It's like the bags doing a good thing for the environmental that's the intended sell on the banning of plastic bags and then 30 kilometers on the thing that pops to mind when when I hear about these 30 kilometers ons and the sale of helping save lives by reducing the amount of you know people getting hit because you're basically crawling demonstrated 30 k you can stop Yeah, anything runs that you could start the ball goes under, you could slam on the brakes. I got done. I got done a couple of four weeks ago. And I probably eight weeks ago maybe how we finished up doing the Craig

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I was there. Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, man. So I actually got pulled over. So yeah, I took off from a satellites I just wasn't thinking. So I went from stationary, right, accelerate it up. And I was gone past my mates house and others. My my test and then all of a sudden I see this highway patrol car pulled me in. And it was a school zone. The school wasn't even a school was in the out. It was like just gone to 45 or something like that. And I got done for going like 20 times above the limit, which was still under what that road normally is. And I was just like, they he as soon as I put in there just like God, another person. They were waiting in this spot where they knew people would just accelerate over the limit from standing like so if people are voting that way. Do you think that there's they're not doing a good enough job in committee indicating why it is important. 100% Well, I think I know there is already 40 speed limits in Collingwood. And I I just I just did what annoys me is just the approach of the police when they could spend the fucking money on having flashing lights that tell you to slow the fuck down. I think it would be more effective than them standing with a gun and just getting people and doing their revenue rising. Because that's all people think it is. Right when cops are just out trying to get people

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so from the other side of it is it is the I guess, as the argument of the police are the ones who were going to road trauma incidents and pulling people you know, pulling people out of cars and, and stuff like that. I just think it's probably an education piece. I just I found it interesting when in Germany, how many people were riding bikes and not wearing helmets just there was not a helmet inside

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Salt Lake system I have to run

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yet. But that's what's interesting. It's like even if it's not legal, not like a late sorry, not illegal to to not wear a helmet. Surely, if the science is there of the the the data is there in regards to saying okay, you know, you are X amount more likely to die or to have head injuries. If you're not wearing a helmet. I just find it super interesting that you can you can go to a different place and I was like, I wonder if I went to Germany if I would like and was riding a bike whether I would wear a helmet or not. Um

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Well I think the numbers show that those places I don't think people are actually I mean if you're not wearing a helmet and wearing a helmet it's pretty clearly you have a worse head injury then if you wearing a helmet it's like yeah, it's going to happen but you're right i think there's there's probably more people riding bikes over there and having

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less issues with this stuff but I said I see what you're saying definitely it's I think it's their approach because I've the interactions with the place and just they don't care about it doesn't seem like there's a care factor for other people and that's the cell of it which is why they're reducing it so that they can save people's lives but they they go and they contribution to It is literally just to catch people like you should have seen this same dude the cop and I said to him sorry my what what's the problem and I kind of leaned out the window before we got right up to me you know what he fucking did he grabbed this he grabbed these like lapel a BS every shirt and press this thing and he turned on a recording device and he said yep and he just looks down at my counties OFAC and Mayra task and you know he under Tucson white male and whatever it was probably didn't want my it wasn't probably folly me

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now you're fully just creating a story yeah

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and so he was recording me because he thought that I would blow up and I get that he probably gets bag and as you work in a blow up no no I was playing it out find it cool but I was like what's happening but he but he just yeah he got on the defense which I'm sure he has to because sometimes there's hotheads but he was just like now he was just it was horrible it was gross and I and I wish now looking back that I actually he was he was always going to give me the phone that I just I really wanted to say you realize that the money you're fucking charging people that money could be spent on putting up a few more signs and flashing lights because I because I went back there and there was physical signs saying that it was now 40 case on because I was on the I was on the side opposite to the school which I mean this isn't about me denying yeah I

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like it yeah it's one of those things where it's like okay for me I get

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I try and reflect personally in those situations I do a shit job most the time but I'm just like okay all I can control is the things that I can control and so that is that the speeding type thing like I know when I was in the easily I was paranoid because it's told all these stories where you just get basically a credit card charges from the rental car company or whatever when you get back from all the fines when new people who had like half a dozen find that they came back to so I don't know maybe but I guess the thing is that interaction that you had with that copper has resulted in you thinking more and being more aware of your how fast you're going yeah

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yeah it's like when I was sitting in traffic and caught knocked on my window and i'll i'll station remind you and I had my phone in my hand and I got a little $500 fine and I can tell you I don't I don't do that shit anymore 99% less and I get it that's the point of funds right but I also I also think that there'll be a lot of people that wouldn't have it wouldn't have this effect on and I think this is the exact result of what a fine does people get pissed off people are you know having habits but look if it's if it's 30 kilometers I'll drive the 30 kilometers because it becomes law but they will I don't so you said that you're saying it's like so there's so there's someone or there's a group of people that are lobbying for this and then what's their agenda on this like is it purely the safety thing is that all it is or is it something to do with local government I don't know that they trying to win over people

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with with it you know like I was walking through some killer and there's like it must be a local election coming up and they're all they've all got their cell on and you know their hand out those flyers with like you know the MP logos and killer MP and this one guy the dot points of what they were going to do yeah I think I can't remember this guy's name but I looked at the flyer and I and I looked up at him holy shit that's you yeah that's me. I was just trolling him and anyway I walked off and I said require any cell was mom CCTV being installed throughout Port Phillip St Kilda.

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Like it just let this selling in that there's gonna be a few more cameras. Jay I feel like if I was a politician, I'd be real beyond the CCTV. Oh yeah,

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every bike has its own alarm.

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Excited good throwback. No, but I think that Yeah, I don't mind the the that idea of being watched and stuff I feel safer if I know that there's like lots of security cameras when I walk into buildings I'm always looking out to where the cameras are even I'm quite paranoid I think I've spoken about this already especially going to the dodgy or hotels I'm looking around saying if there's any concealed cameras or any bullshit like that but he's on the road yeah yeah and it's a little bit it's probably a little bit paranoid Did you hear about this this this thing that's going around I started Insta story about it from a friend the Queen photograph Have you heard about you

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know what's happened

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to the Queen so when I said basically there's this this quirk this parliamentary in this parliamentary rule book that made this is I'm just reading off the Guardian he quirk of parliamentary rule book Maisie strike means Australians are entitled to pitches the monarch, Prince Philip and other national nationhood material. So basically, because we're part of the Commonwealth, we can request a photo of the Queen throughout in pay, and I give it to us for free

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get stuff that's so funny.

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So so I feel like this is 100% something that you should get around. But vice didn't article about it. And now like the Guardian, sort of writing an article about the fact that in pays a bank bombarded with requests for free portraits of the queen, genius. Genius. I love this. So you

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know how, when you turn 100, this is the cell eternal hundred, you get a letter from the Queen just to confirm my grandfather, the same guy that was in prisoner of war, what a hero survived it and then live to 100 like a boss. So the letter Well, here's the thing, you don't just all of a sudden get a letter you have to apply to get a letter. So we did apply

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a fan? Well, I didn't. It's almost like, so the Queen isn't doing any sending any friend requests. So you've got to send a friend request to her. Yeah, and then she's going through and accepting or deny or my cape your pending for a while, depending on if you're 9899.

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I wonder if some of this shit would change. Because there's some Have you heard of like, the crazy rules around the coin. So I think it's You can't leave the dinner table until the queen is finished. And so she she has to get lonely when you're eating with sorry, because otherwise, because I have no idea when the coins finished.

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Sorry, when you're in, in the presence of the coin, you can't leave we're talking about who the next Queen was going to be. And it's actually it's a really complicated process because they won't be a queen for quite some time. So the next is a king. So it's, it's, it's, it's crazy. And

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this was my brother and I were talking about this, and then we got into this full rabbit hole of trying to search and work it out. I wouldn't even start trying to work it out for you. But go down that rabbit hole of working out who the next question will be. How were they like, wait, when did this start? Like the hierarchy and just watching one of those period dramas from England is not enough. You need to actually yeah, that's really information. What's the coin was that show I mean, watch other around the crown fact Jesus

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rose stuff people get really obsessed with one of the things that I was thinking when watching the documentaries on the Holocaust, you know what sort of thing and being an author requests today was thinking about what we put up with in society around say, the rhetoric that used by Donald Trump and some of the things that he says and I I was signed to think even about North Korea and I'm like, you know what, the disease little passions that started emerging like hang on how how some of these little things that like at the very beginning Oh, this is this is what Hitler said, Oh, this is you know, you can see a pattern and then you say in today's day and age you start saying leaders or people from other country you know, foreign leaders start using similar language or similar ideas I think that I'm away someone you know this I'm pretty fence care in a lot of things where I'm like, everyone's got their opinion I'm not smart enough to really have an opinion so I'm just going to sit on the fence and watch and ask questions and then depending on what the topic is and what I've sort of come to the conclusion with based on what information I have versus today I think I had in mind enough to Spain like yeah fuck this like fuck all these things are being said or like Kim Jong on like with you know, the Yeah, the fact is that he's probably got well I went to the fact is allegedly there's you know, concentration camps and you know, all of these things happening in North Korea,

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I started to reflect on my own sort of maybe laughing at some of the shit that he does, you know, and I am you know, post that you say on social media about him. And you think about actually is probably all there is a lot of people who are affected by this regime. And we don't even really know the limits of how bad that is

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yet. Well, it's, everything's playing out in a different way. Because

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in a, in a civilized country, they're not going to do what happened well, at this point, not going to do what happened in Auschwitz now, but things are playing out completely differently. So we're seeing stuff in a new way so like you know, living well what's going to stop it from happening that I guess the thing is that it's the the Nazis were hiding, you know, they were open about the fact that they had concentration camps what they were trying to hide was the fact of the mass murders the killings and so, you know, that's the thing it's Yeah, I just think that I walked away thinking to be more skeptical of things, rather than just sort of accepting that it could never happen in 2018

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instead of time to reflect and be like, actually, if that was if I was put into this situation today, if I was rounded up, put on to a trying I mean, I'm soft as fuck so like, I can't even handle the slot throat sore throat they have right now finished. What does give you that yet you got you do get a little bit of that sort of perspective. But well, I when

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I talk, I've spoken a lot with friends. And and I've said about like, if a world war happened again, I was like, as if and when you go to a place like New York or LA is like as if there's going to be missiles coming in and heating New York City. Oh, like, you know, like, what it was like, in London, there was bombs, but, you know, bombs being dropped over London. I was like, as if that's ever gonna happen. But the way that I think it will happen, it's probably not how would happen if it was going to be different law not to become not to become like a conspiracy theorists show or stuff like that. But

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could they could shut down like a whole, the whole electrical grid or whatever, in Australia, like, what would happen if that if we lost electricity, like if they sort of, there's a lot of talk, I made a documentary on sort of around agriculture and stuff the end of last year, and there's all these people who their jobs are in food security. So basically, it's making sure that

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you know, that we have food that we're growing our own produce versus being reliant on other countries. Yeah, I

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tell you what, the dude who orders Uber Eats five days a week would be fact and that person do you

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Yeah, that's probably another moment. But Krakoff does have Uber rates are good at is if he jumped on the plane option. And had a haven't haven't bothered. The, the food is just so unexpected. The food has been so good. The coffee has been so good. Seriously, if anyone's going to Europe, and they, they're trying to work out where to go.

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Poland is, I think, a mosque. Especially like where we've been in Krakoff. Like, it's perfect to be able to go and just experience us with sing and go there and gain a new perspective. And you'll still be probably is naive as I am. But if you just gained like a tiny bit more perspective, and I think it's a good thing, right?

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Yeah, I think you've you've locked the I didn't think anything of Paul and like before you went there. I thought you would enjoy Italy in the in the coast that a

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Italy for me was a little bit more easily felt like more like a third world country. Italy reminded me a bit of like,

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parts of Southeast Asia, like you walk in front of like, walk onto the road, and you will get hit by car type of deal. Like they're pretty crazy. Whereas Poland is just like, super civilized. really lovely. All of our interactions have been great. And yeah, like it's, it's from a from a price point of view to it's like we're paying like 7080 bucks a night for this apartment were staying in it's really nice right area. So um. Yeah, but the one thing I would suggest is go on to

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a link in the show notes. What is it cold, I I always go on to Nomad list. There we go. I went link in the show notes calm lazy Nomad list. If you Google that, basically you can rank all different cities depending on the cost of living. So say you're trying to do like what brain i doing where we're like zigging and zagging from expensive places to cheaper places. You can say, how much does coffee cost at this place? How much would a bottle of coke cost? How much would it accommodation costs for a month? All of that sort of affirmation, which is cool just quickly before we finish up and while I've got the taste of seven living coffee in my mouth, not even a sponsor, but when bloody given me a lot of shout out. What coffee Have you been drinking in? In Poland?

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Flat? What? With what milk?

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Just bloody dairy, just straight straight? Very. Yes. Since leaving Melbourne, I've left my almond milk sort of stick behind and just going for just not wanting to complicate it. Because I feel like almond milk can be such a sort of a hit and miss type of thing. Yeah, I when I'm traveling, I go with a coffee that they can stuff up the least. And that's usually just a the one with milk or so. And yeah,

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espresso. That's I mean if you just want to eat but it's interesting. Yeah,

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no, Poland is, is really great. And the other thing to which I never used to do it we started doing on this trip. We've done it in probably four, four or so cities is the free walking tours. So they go for like an hour and a half, normally couple of hours. Two and a half hours, whatever. And

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basically you just give them a tip at the end. So further Poland one like for Krakoff, I think we probably gave the equivalent of 15 Australian dollars and can you just learn you get to get a few steps in walk around, get a sense of this place. Learn the history when you get back better than

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Yeah, can we do a walking tour of Melbourne because

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I'm sure this load on a that I was thinking that it would be cool. I was like, man, I wonder what it would take to to do give it to her like what how much information we would need to be able to like I wonder what the trainings like but I did have a moment of like, I wouldn't mind doing it with the problem is and that asked me where the what the biggest mountain is in Australia and I'll just sort of humble

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you know I could do the tour of all the naughty sheet I used to do in the city he is where we used to fireworks he's where we usually

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somebody on the corner yeah

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he's where we used to access the the subway system through a secret entrance

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bit. Yeah, definitely. He's the best kebab shop with me just at 3am.

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It's early way you are. It's not that light where I am. But because I've been up since five o'clock. I'm signed to feel it. So word of the day. We'll start back again on on Monday. And that will be our hundred and 50th episode. So we need people to email us high at the daily talk. show.com we'll do a lightning round of word of the day and will include multiple words as a celebration up to 50 words. I'm going to say to celebrate one just probably

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get three just between you and I Josh I didn't think that was how would celebrate our one fifth show.

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I know I've gone all out. I know you weren't expecting it. But

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where were you gonna be for Monday show

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I'll be in depends when we Yeah, I'll be in Paris where we're meeting our mates in Paris. And we're heading to the south of France. So that's what how we can tiles amazing.

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