Visiting Auschwitz

Tommy: Wait a minute. Crossface. The Daily Talk Show. A conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 149. Happy Friday, Tommy Jackett.

Tommy: Yes, it is. Eve of our 150th. Actually, not Eve because we've got to go through the weekend. To get to Monday. But mate, I was just thinking, how many shows have we weathered now since you've been away?

Josh: I don't know.

Tommy: How long have you been away for?

Josh: 25?

Tommy: You've been away for a bit over a month.

Josh: I've been, yeah, it would be, I would say probably 20+ episodes we've done remotely.

Tommy: Crazy. I actually can't believe we haven't missed one.

Josh: It's full on. It's putting the pressure on. Like I've, today I've started getting sick. And so, I sort of am happy that it's happening now on a Friday. So, I have Saturday, Sunday to sort of recover.

Tommy: I'm hearing some blame of the Daily Talk Show for your sickness. Is that what you're saying?

Josh: No, everyone's been getting blamed. When I get sick, Bri gets so upset with me.

Tommy: Why?

Josh: Because she's been sick for about a week and then with like a sore throat and coughing up blood, all good stuff like that. But all of a sudden, JJ starts getting a niggle in his throat and the world's ending.

Tommy: Oh, I've actually heard—

Josh: I feel like I'm— Yeah.

Tommy: I've heard you say this. It's the man flu at scale.

Josh: Yeah. It's like you're the least manly man.

Tommy: You're the least manly man. And then for some reason you start beating your chest like a silverback. When you get a bit of a cold.

Josh: I don't know. No, it's just, yeah, I don't, I don't handle it that well. Ah, you just— No, that's okay. It's good for me to be sick rather than you because normally you've been sick so much lately, so I'm happy to take one for the team.

Tommy: Well, yeah, I have been, and I— it was a little bit of something creeping in, and then I was filming with Craig Harper who was sick. He's been sick for a couple of weeks as well. It's just, it's It's no good. Everyone, it's very hard.

Josh: I can't say it's the season because we're in completely different parts of the world.

Tommy: No, it's definitely the season here because it's winter and there's something going around. But, um, it's, I know I've got that sore throaty thing when I've been travelling because it's not like you've been busy. You're run down, you get run down from just being, you know, getting up early, walking a lot, like you're exerting more energy than you do in Melbourne. And you're walking around.

Josh: Yeah, it sounds like a dumb thing to complain about, but yeah, I definitely feel it. We went to Auschwitz today and so, that was one of those sort of experiences where it takes a lot of energy, like you're thinking about it and you're processing all these like horrendous things.

Tommy: What's the vibe like?

Josh: That happened. Yeah, well, it's like the— When you go on the bus, the bus is about an hour and a half from, you're driving for an hour and a half from Kraków. And you watch like the tour that we did, basically you're watching a documentary at the start, which was a good way of doing it because like just with the lack of knowledge that I have on everything, it sort of fills in all the gaps. So, you have a bit of an understanding. But yeah, the vibe, it was intense what they were talking about and everything like that. But it's done in a way where there's so many sort of, they've got photography, they've got like, it's like a museum, right? So, they've got so many examples of, they've got just pie, like the thing that I found probably the most moving was the hair. So, all the people who had their, the Jews that had their heads shaved, there was like, I don't know, I don't even know how to describe how much hair. There was just like this humongous pile of hair that they've actually preserved.

Tommy: Holy shit.

Josh: And, um, so it was things like that. So it was like the hair, there was like shoes, like so many, um, like old shoes and glasses. And basically what would happen was, um, uh, the Jews were were told to bring their things. And what happened when they arrived was all of their stuff got taken and got put into what was known, I think it was like Canada Shops, and it was basically like Prosperity Shops. And it was, they would go through and clean up all of the jewellery and stuff like that, and they would sell it and also send it back to Germany and stuff like that. For people to wear. So, I mean, I knew nothing about all of this stuff. So, it was, yeah, it was super interesting.

Tommy: It's crazy. And who's running the tour? Is it a German person? Is it like, is it—

Josh: No, so it's a Polish, 'cause we're in Poland. Oh, sorry, yeah. It's a Polish person. And yeah, they've just, they've got so much sort of background on all of the different stories. And there's all these rules that have been created by the, I guess like the victims' families, where for instance, there's no restriction on how many people can go to Auschwitz. So, when we went, it was really crowded. And so basically, when they were creating those rules, they never expected that they would have the sort of interest that they have today. So, our tour guide was actually saying that there'll probably be a point where they have to relook at those types of things.

Tommy: Yeah, too many people going. It's like Alcatraz, so many people at Alcatraz. I mean, they see it as it's making money for them. I wonder who owns the land or is it like the government that—

Josh: Well, yeah, so it'd be, there's like a body who looks after and sort of the preservation of the whole area. But I think the thing that I wasn't aware of was that there's a place called Birkenau, which is the sort of the second concentration camp. But that's— it's way, way bigger. And that's where basically the mass killings, you know, the mass murders happened where Jews were put into, um, gas chambers and killed. Um, and so yeah, it was, it was interesting sort of, um, yeah, getting, getting a sense of the history and how, how it sort of, how it started and how, um, how it sort of incrementally got worse almost as it was going on. Um, because at the beginning it wasn't sort of the— it wasn't the the gassing of Jews at the beginning. That came a bit later, as they were almost like rushing to get it all done.

Tommy: Oh God, I went to school with a guy who told me that his grandma was from over there, and she had a tattoo on her arm, which, like, a number from the, from the camp. I think they gave it to you. I think she survived. And so, yeah, yes.

Josh: So there's only a few people that have that because basically that happened, I believe, in the earlier days when it was just Auschwitz before they'd built out the second camp. And because by the end of it there was— I think it was something like there was only in some cases, um, it was only a few days between when you would arrive and then when you were killed. Yeah. So, um, they when they— I think there was, uh, over a million people, uh, were killed basically in these camps. And so by the end of it, they, um, yeah, none of the, the Jews who were, um, murdered in Birkenau in the second camp, none of them had the tattoos, none of them had the official photos taken. That was more, um, political prisoners and, um people sort of against the Nazi regime, stuff like that, who had, had that.

Tommy: Because not everyone went to Auschwitz. There was like, um, ghettos that were created that were like almost compounds with like in Kraków. I was listening to a woman recently on a podcast and just this horrible storey of, um, they used to hide during the day up in the roof and there was a family and there was a bunch of, bunch of adults and then 2 babies. And some Germans came to inspect the house because they're always, you know, looking for people that aren't meant to be there. They're looking for, you know, Jewish people. And the baby started crying and they had to put the pillows over the baby's faces. And, um, yeah, and they didn't survive because otherwise everyone would have died.

Josh: Well, that was the thing. I mean, those ghettos were all around that occupied, like, throughout Europe where Germany was occupying. And, um, you know, people went up to, like, it took 9 days to get to, uh, the concentration camps. And so they weren't told that— the Jews didn't know that that's, you know, that they were going to be going there for one, to be murdered, or two, even they weren't told that they were going into a concentration camp. They were actually— they thought, okay, like, anything can be better than the ghettos that they were in at the time. And so, um, yeah, it's like I feel like I'm only just scratching the surface and this— I just— it made me realise how much I want to dig in and find out more and to learn.

Tommy: The thing is there's so many good podcasts that delve into this history. It's, um, yeah, yeah, I've been quite, quite liking getting into history, listening to some, some new podcasts.

Josh: Yeah, it's—

Tommy: I want to listen to one about the war. Like, this stuff fascinates me. My grandfather was in World War II, and he was born in 1904, 1905, so he was fucking nearly born in the 1800s, which is crazy. Yeah, and, um, and he was captured by the Japanese as a— and he was a prisoner of war for 2 and a half years, and Unbelievable. But like, I remember him telling me, um, stuff about it, very much, um, top-line stuff. But I've been told more from my father, my dad, and my auntie about it. But just like, yeah, it's savage. It's like the hip of the hip. My point of it is like, history, this shit went on. It's so far from our reality. I wanted to talk to you about how the, um, They've had a bit of an update actually on the area that you and I occupy here in Melbourne, Collingwood. That's where our office is, but there's a, there's been, just shows you the difference, switching gear, theage.com, 30 km/h speed zones to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north. They're changing, Josh, in Collingwood and Fitzroy. They're doing in residential areas.

Josh: I mean, this is what I hate about the project, is that they, they talk about serious shit and then they somehow do a sort of this giggle, this awkward giggle. It's like, okay, change of pace now. Yeah, and then they go into a like—

Tommy: I mean, 100% is a gear shift for something like this. I mean, we're not doing— we can't do a whole episode on On your day. But I'm sure, I hope that we get a food update because Josh's food diary, I wouldn't mind to hear a bit.

Josh: Did you say a food update?

Tommy: Yeah. You haven't done a food diary update. I have.

Josh: I didn't eat that much. I did have a burger from a New Zealand burger place, which was good. But no, 30 kilometres an hour. So whereabouts is this? Just in Collingwood?

Tommy: Yeah. So they're saying just in Collingwood. Speeds will drop 30 kilometres on residential streets in Collingwood and Fitzroy from September in a move to be an Australian first. It's understood that it will serve as a test case and the new speed limit could be proposed for other areas in Melbourne. It's interesting because my friend did a poll. This isn't polling all of Australia. This is just my friend's Instagram feed.

Josh: So, just his small— How many followers has he got?

Tommy: He's actually got over 3,000, so he's classed as an influencer. And 17% have come in and said yes, and a big whopping 83% of people have said no, they don't want this. It's such a funny thing. It's like the bags, doing a good thing for the environment, or that's the intended sell on the banning of plastic bags, and then 30-kilometre zones. The thing that pops to mind when I hear about these 30-kilometre zones And the sell of helping save lives by reducing the amount of, you know, people getting hit. Because you're basically crawling down a street at 30k. You could stop.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Anything runs out, you could stop. A bloody ball goes under your toe, you could slam on the brakes. I got done, I got done a couple of, 4 weeks ago? No, probably 8 weeks ago. Remember how we finished up doing the Craig Harper?

Josh: Yeah, I was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Oh man. I remember that.

Josh: You actually got pulled over.

Tommy: So yeah, I took off from a set of lights. I just wasn't thinking. So I went from stationary and I accelerated up, and I was going past my mate's house, and I was like, oh, that's my mate's house. And then all of a sudden I see this highway patrol car pull me in, and it was a school zone. The school wasn't even— school wasn't out. It was like just gone 2:45 or something like that, and I got done for going like 20 k's above the limit, which was still under what that road normally is. And I was just like, they, he, as soon as I pulled in, they just like got another person. They were waiting in this spot where they knew people would just accelerate over the limit from standing.

Josh: Like, so if people are voting that way, do you think that there's, they're not doing a good enough job in communicating why it is important?

Tommy: 100%. Well, I think I know there is already 40 speed limits in Collingwood and I, I just, I just, what annoys me is just the approach of the police when they could spend the fucking money on, um, having flashing lights that tell you to slow the fuck down. I think it would be more effective than them standing with a gun and just getting people and doing their revenue raising. Cause that's all people think it is, right? Cops are just out trying to get people.

Josh: So, from the other side of it, is it— is there— I guess there's the argument of those police are the ones who are going to road trauma incidents and pulling people, you know, pulling people out of cars and stuff like that. I just think it's probably an education piece. I just found it interesting when in Germany how many people were riding bikes and not wearing helmets. There was not a helmet in sight.

Tommy: It's not legal, you don't have to, right?

Josh: Yeah, but that's what's interesting. It's like, even if it's not legal—

Tommy: Not illegal, sorry, sorry.

Josh: Like, sorry, not illegal to not wear a helmet. Surely if the science is there, if the data is there in regards to saying, okay, you know, you are X amount more likely to die or to have head injuries if you're not wearing a helmet, I just find it super interesting that you can go to a different place. And I was like, I wonder if I went to Germany, if I would like, and was riding a bike, whether I would wear a helmet or not.

Tommy: Well, I think the numbers show that those places, I don't think people are actually— I mean, if you're not wearing a helmet and wearing a helmet, it's pretty clear you'll have a worse head injury than if you aren't wearing a helmet. It's like, yeah, it's going to happen, but you're right. I think there's, there's probably more people riding bikes over there and having, um, less issues with this stuff. But I see, I see what you're saying. Definitely. I think it's their approach. Cause I've, the interactions with the police are just, they don't care about, it doesn't seem like there's a care factor for other people and that's the sell of it, which is why they're reducing it so that they can save people's lives, but their go and their contribution to it is literally just to catch people. Like, you should have seen this scene, dude. The cop— and I said to him, sorry, mate, what's the problem? And I kind of leaned out the window before he got right up to me. You know what he fucking did? He grabbed this— he grabbed his, like, lapel of his shirt and pressed this thing And he turned on the recording device and he said, yep. And he just looks down at my car and he's like, fucking Tuscan, you know, Hyundai Tucson, white male, whatever it was. Probably didn't say white male. It wasn't profiling me.

Josh: Now you're fully just creating a story.

Tommy: Yeah, it adds to it. But he was recording me because he thought that I would blow up. And I get that he probably gets bogged.

Josh: And you were going to blow up.

Tommy: No, no, no. I was playing it. I was playing it cool, but I was like, what's happening? But he, but he just, yeah, he got on the defense, which I'm sure he has to because sometimes there's hotheads. But he was just like, nah, he was just, it was horrible. It was gross. And I, and I wish now looking back that I actually, he was, he was always going to give me the fine that I just, I really wanted to say, you realise that the money you're fucking charging people that money could be spent on putting up a few more signs and flashing lights. Because I, because I went back there and there was fuck all signs saying that it was now a 40K zone. Because I was on the, I was on the side opposite to the school, which I mean, this isn't about me denying.

Josh: Yeah, I don't know. Like, yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, okay, for me, I get, I try and reflect personally in those situations. I do a shit job most of the time, but I'm just like, okay, all I can control is the things that I can control. And so, that is the speeding type thing. Like, I know when I was in Italy, I was paranoid because I was told all these storeys where you just get basically credit card charges from the rental car company or whatever when you get back from all the fines. We knew people who had like half a dozen fines that they came back to. So, I don't know, maybe, but I guess the thing is that interaction that you had with that copper has resulted in you thinking more and being more aware of your— how fast you're going.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. It's like when I was sitting in traffic and a cop knocked on my window and I was stationary, mind you, and I had my phone in my hand and I got a nearly $500 fine. And I can tell you—

Josh: He didn't give it to you.

Tommy: I don't do that shit anymore. 99% less. And I get it, that's the point of fines, right? But I also think that there will be a lot of people that wouldn't have— it wouldn't have this effect on. I don't think this is the exact result of what a fine does. People get pissed off. People are, you know, having habits. But look, if it's 30 kilometers, I'll drive the 30 kilometres because it becomes law, but they will— I don't— so you're saying it's like, so there's someone or there's a group of people that are lobbying for this and then what's their agenda on this? Like, is it purely the safety thing? Is that all it is? Or is it something to do with local government? I don't know, that they're trying to win over people. With, with, you know, like I was walking through St. Kilda and there's like, um, it must be a local election coming up and they're all, they've all got this cell on and, you know, they hand out those flyers with like, you know, the MP, local St. Kilda MP and this one guy.

Josh: The dot points of what they're going to do type of thing.

Tommy: I can't even remember this guy's name, but I looked at the flyer and I looked up at him and I was like, holy shit, that's you. And he said, yeah, that's me. I was just trolling him. And anyway, I walked off and I started reading the flyer and his sell was CCTV being installed throughout Port Phillip, St Kilda. And I was like, they're just selling in that there's going to be a few more cameras. I was like, geez.

Josh: I feel like if I was a politician, I'd be real big on the CCTV. Oh yeah.

Tommy: Like, um, every bike has its own alarm.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Good throwback. Uh, no, but I think that, um, yeah, I don't mind the, the, uh, that idea of being watched and stuff. I feel safer if I know that there's like lots of security cameras when I walk into buildings. I'll— I'm always looking out to where the cameras are. Even I'm quite paranoid. I think I've spoken about this already, especially going to the dodgier hotels. I'm sort of looking around seeing if there's any concealed any cameras or any bullshit like that.

Tommy: But—

Josh: In the rooms. Yeah. Yeah, I know.

Tommy: I know.

Josh: It's a little bit, it's probably a little bit paranoid. Did you hear about this thing that's going around? I saw an Insta storey about it from a friend. The Queen photograph. Have you heard about this?

Tommy: No. What's happened to the Queen?

Josh: So, well, no. So, basically, There's this quirk, this parliamentary, in this parliamentary rule book that means, this is, I'm just reading off The Guardian here. Quirk of parliamentary rule book means Australians are entitled to pictures of the monarch, Prince Philip, and other national, nationhood material. So, basically, because we're part of the Commonwealth, We can request a photo of the Queen through our MP and they give it to us for free.

Tommy: Get stuffed. That's so funny.

Josh: So, so, I feel like this is 100% something that you should get around. But Vice did an article about it and now, like, The Guardian sort of writing an article about the fact that MPs are being bombarded with requests for free portraits of the Queen.

Tommy: Genius. Genius. I love this. So you know how when you turn 100, this is the sell, you turn 100, you get a letter from the Queen. Just to confirm, my grandfather, the same guy that was in prisoner of war, what a hero, survived it and then lived to 100 like a boss. So, um, so I got the letter. Well, here's the thing, you don't just all of a sudden get a letter. You have to apply to get a letter. So we did apply our family. Well, I didn't.

Josh: So it's almost like, so the Queen isn't doing any sending any friend requests. You've got to send the friend request to her.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then she's going through and accepting or denying or might keep you pending for a while depending on if you're 98, 99.

Tommy: I wonder if some of this shit would change because there's some, have you heard of like the crazy rules around the Queen? So I think it's you can't leave the dinner table. Until the Queen is finished. And so, she has to call it a night.

Josh: I'm guessing it's only when you're eating with the Queen. Sorry. Because otherwise, because I have no idea when the Queen's finishing.

Tommy: Sorry. When you're in the presence of the Queen, you can't leave. We were talking about who the next Queen was going to be. And it's actually, it's a really complicated process because there won't be a Queen for quite some time. So the next is a king. So, um, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy. And this was— my brother and Amy were talking about this, and then we got into this full rabbit hole of trying to search and work it out. I won't even start trying to work it out for you, but go down that rabbit hole of working out who the next queen will be, how, where the— like, where, when did this start, like the hierarchy. And, um, just watching one of those period dramas from England is not enough. You need to actually find some real information. What's that, The Queen? What's that show? The Amy Watcher? The Crown. The Crown. Fuck. Jesus.

Josh: The royal stuff, people get really obsessed with it. One of the things that I was thinking when watching the documentaries on the Holocaust and all that sort of thing and being in Auschwitz today was I was thinking about what we put up with in society around, say, the rhetoric that's used by Donald Trump and some of the things that he says. And I was starting to think even about North Korea, and I'm like, you know what, there's these little patterns that start to emerge. You're like, hang on, how are some of these little things that, like, at the very beginning, oh, this is what Hitler said, or this is, you know, you can see a pattern and then you see in today's day and age, you start seeing leaders or people from other countries, you know, foreign leaders start using similar language or similar ideas. I think that I'm always someone, you know this, I'm pretty fence-sittery in a lot of things where I'm like, everyone's got their opinion, I'm not smart enough to really have an opinion, so, I'm just going to sit on the fence and watch and ask questions and then depending on what the topic is and what I've sort of come to the conclusion with based on what information I have versus today I think I had a moment of just being like, yeah, fuck this, like fuck all these things that are being said or like Kim Jong-un, like with, you know, the fact is that he's probably got, well, I won't say the fact is, allegedly there's, you know, concentration camps and, you know, all of these things happening in North Korea. I started to reflect on my own sort of, you know, maybe laughing at some of the shit that he does, you know, and I, you know, posts that you see on social media about him and you think about actually there's probably, or there is a lot of people who are affected by this regime and we don't even really know the limits of how bad that is.

Tommy: Yeah, well, everything's playing out in a different way because in a, in a civilised country, they're not going to do what happened— well, at this point, not going to do what happened in Auschwitz now. But things are playing out completely differently, so we're seeing stuff in a new way. So like, you know, living—

Josh: well, what's going to stop it from happening? That I guess the thing is that it's the, um, the Nazis were hiding, you know, they were open about the fact that they had concentration camps. What they were trying to hide was the fact of the mass murders, the killings. And so, you know, that's the thing. It's, yeah, I just think that I walked away thinking to be more sceptical of things rather than just sort of accepting that, ah, it could never happen in 2018. Instead of saying to reflect and being like, actually, if that was if I was put into this situation today, if I was rounded up, put onto a train, I mean, I'm soft as fuck. So, I like, I can't even handle the slight throat, sore throat that I have right now.

Tommy: You're finished.

Josh: So, it does give you that. Yeah, you got, you do get a little bit of that sort of perspective.

Tommy: But, well, I went to, I've spoken a lot with friends and I've said about like if a world war happen again. I was like, as if. And when you go to a place like New York or LA, I was like, as if there's going to be missiles coming in and hitting New York City, or like, you know, like what it was like in London. There was bombs, but you know, bombs being dropped over London. I was like, as if that's ever going to happen. But the way that I think it will happen is probably not how it would happen if it was going to. It would be different.

Josh: I mean, not to become Not to become like a conspiracy theorist show or stuff like that, but they could, you know, they could shut down like a whole, the whole electrical grid or whatever in Australia. Like what would happen if that, if we lost electricity? Like if they sort of, there's a lot of talk. I made a documentary on sort of around agriculture and stuff at the end of last year. And there's all these people who their jobs are in food security. So, basically, it's making sure that, you know, that we have food, that we're growing our own produce versus being reliant on other countries.

Tommy: Yeah, I tell you what, the dude who orders Uber Eats 5 days a week would be fucked. And that person's you.

Josh: Yeah, that's probably— Well, not at the moment, but Krakow does have Uber Eats.

Tommy: I'll get out of here. Have you jumped on?

Josh: Definitely an option.

Tommy: And had a look?

Josh: Nah, I haven't bothered. The food is just so inexpensive. The food has been so good. The coffee has been so good. Seriously, if anyone's going to Europe and they're trying to work out where to go, Poland is, I think, a must, especially like where we've been in Kraków, like it's perfect to be able to go and just experience Auschwitz and go there and gain a new perspective. And, you know, you'll still be probably as naive as I am, but if you just gain like a tiny bit more perspective, and I think it's a good thing, right?

Tommy: Yeah, I think you've liked the— I didn't think anything of Poland, like before you went there. I thought you would enjoy Italy and the and the coast.

Josh: But, uh, well, Italy for me was a little bit more— Italy felt like, um, more like a third world country. Italy reminded me a bit of like, um, uh, parts of Southeast Asia. Like, you walk in front of— like, walk onto the road and you'll get hit by a car type of deal. Like, they're pretty crazy. Whereas, um, Poland is just like super civilized, really lovely. All of our interactions have been great and yeah, like it's from a price point of view too, it's like we're paying like $70, $80 a night for this apartment we're staying in. It's really nice. It's a dual. Great area. So, yeah, but one thing I would suggest is go on to— I've just gone blank on the name. I'll link it in the show notes. What is it called? I always go on to Nomad List. There we go. I won't link it in the show notes because I'm lazy. Nomad List, if you Google that, basically you can rank all different cities depending on the cost of living. So, say if you're trying to do like what Bri and I are doing where we're like zigging and zagging from expensive places to cheaper places, you can see how much does coffee cost at this place, how much would a bottle of Coke cost, how much would accommodation cost for a month, all of that sort of information, which is cool.

Tommy: Just quickly before we finish up, And while I've got the taste of 7-Eleven coffee in my mouth, not even a sponsor, but we bloody give them a lot of shoutouts. What coffee have you been drinking in Poland?

Josh: Flat white.

Tommy: With what milk?

Josh: Just bloody dairy.

Tommy: Just straight dairy.

Josh: Yeah. Since leaving Melbourne, I've left my almond milk sort of shtick behind and just going for— just not wanting to complicate it because I feel like almond milk can be such sort of a hit and miss type of thing.

Tommy: Yeah, when I'm travelling, I go with the coffee that they can stuff up the least. And that's usually just either one with milk or—

Josh: Espresso and stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, espresso. That's, I mean, if you're just wanting a hit. But it's interesting.

Josh: Yeah, no, Poland is really great. And the other thing too, which I never used to do, we started doing on this trip, we've done it in probably 4 or so cities, is the free walking tours. So, they go for like an hour and a half normally, a couple of hours, 2.5 hours, whatever. And basically, you just give them a tip at the end. So, for the Poland one, like for Kraków, I think we probably gave the equivalent of $15 Australian. And yeah, you just learn, you get to get a few steps in, walk around, get a sense of this place, learn the history. —When you get back. —Better than— Yeah, go on.

Tommy: Can we do a walking tour of Melbourne? Because I'm sure there's shit we'd learn.

Josh: Not only that, I was thinking that it would be cool. I was like, man, I wonder what it would take to do, give a tour, like what, how much information we would need to be able to, like, I wonder what the training's like. But I did have a moment of like, I wouldn't mind doing it. But the problem is, and they would ask me where the what the biggest mountain is in Australia, and I'll just sort of crumble.

Tommy: You know what, I could do the tour of all the naughty shit I used to do in the city. Here's where we used to buy fireworks. Here's where we used to— This is where I vomited on the corner. Yeah, here's where we used to access the, um, the subway system through a secret entrance. Uh, but yeah, definitely. Here's the best kebab shop when you're pissed at 3 AM. So I've got it covered.

Josh: It's early where you are. It's not that late where I am, but because I've been up since 5 o'clock, I'm starting to feel it. So, Word of the Day will start back again on Monday, and that will be our 150th episode. So, we need people to email us, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. We'll do a lightning round of word of the day and we'll include multiple words as a celebration, up to 50 words, I'm going to say, to celebrate 150. Just, um, probably we'll get 3.

Tommy: Uh, just between you and I, Josh, I didn't think that was how we'd celebrate our 150th show. Uh, really, mate?

Josh: I know I've gone all out. I know you weren't expecting it, but, um, where are you going to be for Monday's show? I'll be in, depends when we, yeah, I'll be in Paris. Amazing. We're meeting our mates in Paris and we're heading to the South of France. So, that's what our week entails. Amazing. Well, you enjoy yourself. Alright, it's the Daily Talk Show, everyone. Hope you have a great weekend and feel free to send us emails. We like hearing from you. We've been getting a bunch from Michelle, from Trev, Trying to think who else. Russ. And yeah, we love hearing from you. So, feel free to email us hi@thedailytalkshow.com. We'll see you on Monday for episode 150. Catch ya.