Supreme flexing

Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface!

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 137. Tommy Jackett, it's early morning for you.

Tommy: Yeah, crisp. Let's get some of that small talk out of the way. It's a cold one. But I'm being fueled by 7-Eleven long black coffee and it's 6 AM.

Josh: And every time you mention 7-Eleven coffee, we need to add a bit of balance by also mentioning our unofficial sponsor, Quad Lock. The most amount of listeners we have is from Quad Lock, a great company that provides mounting systems for your iPhone or any sort of smartphone if you use their universal—

Tommy: They're not even a sponsor of 7-Eleven, just by the way. But I want to— I've got a bone to pick with them. I just went and they've got two of the best flavours of Slurpee currently running and it's fucking winter. Go figure. You go in summer and there's shitty flavours that are just like broken. But it's wintertime and they've got—

Josh: Do they have Lemon Lime and Bitters going?

Tommy: No, no. They've got— You're fucked.

Josh: You don't know what a good flavour is.

Tommy: No, they've got— well, they've got two flavours that I want to try, but it's winter, so I'm clearly not going to try it. They've got sugar-free Grape Sour, which I would like to try. That sounds fucking out of control. But then they've got Vanilla Coke, which—

Josh: and that one's not— like when you told me about the Zero Cowls, we went, I think we're going to ProTog, that photography joint, getting some cheap lights or whatever. And we had a 7-Eleven icy. The reason I— do people call it icies, or is icy a thing from 1997?

Tommy: Mate, Icy probably was someone trolled you and that's what they said that they were called. And then you called them iced teas.

Josh: At Dandy Basketball Stadium, you got an icy. I think a Slurpee. A Slurpee might even be a 7-Eleven like registered trademark.

Tommy: But you're also the guy that almost got conned into buying oxys because they were calling them—

Josh: What was it? Very true. Very true. Yeah, no, OxyContin. They were saying oxy, but I thought they were saying Roxy when I was in San Francisco for the first time.

Tommy: Just to close the loop, it's 1% sugar in the Slurpee. So, it's the way they get around it. So, there is a few calories, but they're like the closest thing that you can have if you're being a little bit naughty. A 7-Eleven Slurpee.

Josh: I do feel like it is the type of Slurpee that you would drink and then shit your pants. It's got that. It definitely has that vibe. It's got a bit of sort of cleano, like, what's it called? What do you put into your pipe? Drano. Drano clean or something. Yeah, Drano. It's got Drano vibes.

Tommy: Oh my God. We, we bought, um, oh no, it wasn't Drano. It was this, this really strong, like a surface scrubbing. It would be like we killed somebody and we're trying to get rid of the body. We, we hired this hotel room and I don't know about you, Josh. I could 100% guarantee you didn't do this as a young, a young person with the boys. We used to hire hotel rooms.. And we went pretty fucking dirty at some point. We got like service departments and then we kind of upgraded. We went to the Hilton. We got a Crown Towers room one night. We got like 40 people in that room.

Josh: You and I were actually doing a video project. And as we were in the lift, you said, "I've fucking trashed one of these hotel rooms." Just casually as we're going up the lift. Oh, so what would you actually do? What was the, uh, you were a fucking shit of a kid, by the way, if people haven't gathered from the last couple of episodes. But what was the, what was the deal?

Tommy: Well, we, so the way we actually got them was by getting someone who was a bit older to put their name down. I mean, and first of all, as I've got older, what a fucking idiot. Why would they put their name down?

Josh: But also the loser that's doing that, or that's buying you alcohol, like, would you, would Would you buy some kids alcohol if they asked you?

Tommy: Probably not now. I could be fucked. I'd have to really have a lot of time on my hands. It's more of a time issue.

Josh: And they had a lot of cash.

Tommy: Yeah, and they had a lot of cash. No, but so we'd get these rooms because we just wanted somewhere where we could party. And there's a bit of novelty to it, you know, a hotel, 4-star, 5-star, and you just— I like the vibe. And so we would get them, and one of them was like I had for my birthday. One of them was across a weekend.

Josh: What year? What birthday would this have been? 12th birthday?

Tommy: 16, 17, I think it was.

Josh: 16, okay. I just went to fucking AMF bowling and I was lucky to fill a whole party room. Like it was sort of, okay, I'll just invite everyone from my class just to make numbers.

Tommy: Here's where it went bad. We got the Crown Towers room and we had it for, it was only one night. And I think there was at least 40 people that came into the room. There was, you know, it was a smoking room, so people were just smoking so much weed, and there was people taking illicit substances. I can safely say I didn't take illicit substances that night, but it, um, someone burnt— someone was smoking a cigarette and put it out on the couch, and then someone came and had hairspray, like coloured hair dye spray, in their hair, and they were making out with this girl in the bed on the white sheets. And so the fucking sheets went bright red. And then someone got toothpaste on the couch.

Josh: Oh man, it's toothpaste, wasn't it?

Tommy: No, no, no, legit, legit. This is what we— some people used to troll each other by that like passing out and then they'd just put toothpaste all over their face and when they woke up, they'd wipe their face.

Josh: What did your parents, I mean, your mum's an avid listener of the Daily Talk Show. What was your mum's vibe on all of this shit? She's a calm, good citizen and just to have bred something like you was, I mean, you're so different now, but you as a kid, it does, You would have scared me as a kid. Like I would have been scared at the naughtiness that you were willing to play in.

Tommy: I was probably in, I was probably the most in control in those environments, which, which sounds, yeah, there was a very much loose unit there. But all I can say, I can't remember what I would tell my mum or, and we weren't like, I wasn't set out to do really bad shit in this place. Like, I get it, we're in a hotel. So I had, I had my bearings in that respect, and I wasn't—

Josh: Were you the one telling them and saying, guys, settle? I feel like in that scenario I would have just become the guy who was freaking out the whole time and telling people to get off the couch and stop doing that and put your weed out.

Tommy: Well, yeah, I definitely was telling people to calm their farm. But the one about that, the, the, the like Drano cleaning thing was we hired this, this service department in Windsor. Oh no, it was in Prahran, just ran along the train line near Chapel Street. And I don't know what the fuck these two people doing. And one of the guys that did it has since gone to, he was in jail and got his fucking throat slit and he's just, he survived it, but he became a heroin addict. And the other guy now lives overseas because he got in trouble with the law. But they started a fire in the bath, which is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

Josh: And did you think that this was a good idea to be mates with these guys?

Tommy: No, they were like good mates. They were like just young dudes, like young people.

Josh: And like, how normal are they? Are they like our mate James who you grew up with? Like, are they normal like James? Like, because James seems like, even though that he might have been a bit of a naughty #NaughtyBoy. He's a businessman now. You would like— he's really sort of calm, and I wouldn't think, you know, like, what are these guys actually like? Or are some of them completely loose units?

Tommy: No, I think when you're 16, when you're young, there's a heap of loose units. No one's worked their shit out yet. And I've said to you, it's like— and I was talking to my best mate yesterday And he's the one that we talk every day.

Josh: Mate, what are you talking about? Wuff wuff.

Tommy: I'm talking to one of the other boys who was a part of that and at those hotel rooms. And we feel like we survived. Like, it's like you come out the other side of those years when you're playing in that space. And there was a lot of people that killed themselves or got killed or, you know, in car accidents or things like that, or became heroin addicts.

Josh: You grew up in fucking Brighton. At least I grew up near Dandenong where shit was actually like, you'd go to Dandy Station.

Tommy: Yeah, 100%. So you're saying, yeah, so the opportunity, they're already there in a bad environment, which it doesn't necessarily mean that you become bad. It is a massive factor, potential.

Josh: Well, like being in a low socioeconomic school. I mean, maybe that's why I was school captain at my school was because like the, um, if I, if I'd gone to, uh, you know, Wesley or St. Leonard's or any of those.

Tommy: Maybe, maybe your achievements at a young age were all just because you were at a school that was— people didn't give a fuck and you were the only one who cared. So, you have this false sense of achievement.

Josh: Well, I mean, my favourite storey or one of my favourite storeys to tell friends who went to private schools was how my Year 12 IT teacher told me that if I didn't do my Excel sack, that he would fail me, right? I had to do the sack. And then it was just a passing comment when I finished and I said, "Oh, okay." And I didn't think anything of it. And then I got my results back and the fucker failed me. And I'm just like, if you were in a private school, they would be pulling in before they would do that, they'd be pulling in your parents, they'd be having conversations, but it was literally like, and just a quick remark at the end of a session. And I, so, I failed Year 12 IT.

Tommy: You'd be surprised. So, you like, you think of private schooling, you think you're getting this uber treatment, right? But for the kids like me—

Josh: Uber Black treatment. Yeah. I mean, I was on the Uber Pool, maybe UberX at times.

Tommy: In a broken-down VL Commodore.

Josh: Exactly. I'm catching the bus and you're in Uber Black.

Tommy: No, there is— legitimately for kids that aren't right for the system, it doesn't matter where you are. I had some really, really amazing teachers at public schools that I went to that had a lot, a lot of a lower socioeconomic, I was going to say fan base, school base, like student base.

Josh: Fan base. That's our fan base, very low socioeconomic. That's our shtick.

Tommy: Just on the school stuff. I've got a cold sore at the moment. Yes, Josh, I have herpes.

Josh: Herpes? Herpes, yeah.

Tommy: I have face herpes, not genital herpes. But as a kid—

Josh: What's the difference though, really?

Tommy: Well, there's a big difference. You can't see the other ones and it's a different— it's actually a different type of strand.

Josh: Does it feel different?

Tommy: I don't know. I've never had it, mate. Is that what you're getting at?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No, but—

Josh: That's exactly what I was thinking.

Tommy: This type of kid you would have been was probably the reason I didn't go to school when I had herpes, um, or I had a cold sore. It's like back when I was a kid, like, I think now, like, I've got— I'm, I'm more grown up. I don't, I don't care about having a cold sore on my face like I used to, but it used to make me feel like I was a fucking gremlin. Did you ever give shit to kids at school with cold sores?

Josh: No, I wasn't giving shit to anyone. I was literally just in that moment thinking, would I have given you shit And literally, I would have been too busy eating nachos from the school canteen because our school canteen had nachos and we had a movie club. So, I would just like order my nachos and I would sit and watch a movie. I didn't give a fuck about people's coleslaws and stuff. I was just, yeah, I was playing a different game. Not that much bullying going on from my end.

Tommy: Oh, good. Cause I would have kicked your head in. But I, uh, yeah, there was a lot of days that I didn't go to school, which sounds so silly cause you get a fucking cold sore on your face. Have you got any?

Josh: And you got a big herpes on your face now?

Tommy: Oh, it's not that bad. You can't really tell cause I've got a beard. Like I've got such so much shit going on in my face, but it's, um, yeah, so it kind of blends in. But mate, for anyone who has them, I can 100% sympathize, empathize. It, you, you feel like it's the only thing that when you're in a conversation, the person's looking at, and they might, but they probably art, majority of the time they're probably thinking about themselves.

Josh: You know what? I can actually relate to that with when I— my nose nearly fell off from sunburn when I was in London, got severe sunburn. If you look at some of my photos on Instagram, you'll notice it. I was a little bit self-conscious with the big sort of scabby nose on my face. So, I can relate in that regard.

Tommy: Well, I would, too. But yours isn't a lifelong condition that you can't actually get rid of herpes.

Josh: And, uh, well, yeah, it's all cleared up now. Look, I've got like a pretty sick tan. I've been putting sunscreen on my nose every day.

Tommy: Josh is looking into the camera lens on FaceTime here. You know the thing about glasses? I've always, I've always thought this with glasses. It makes you look like you've got a prosthetic nose attached to the glasses.

Josh: And is it just my specific glasses or everyone's glasses?

Tommy: Nah, your ones are probably the closest thing to not having that because you've gone the Steve Jobs looking glasses, but the big ones that— there was a guy in, um, in high school, I went around this camp to Clunes. It's like a whole month away.

Josh: You would have been a loose unit when it comes to school camps. Like, if you were hiring the Hilton, you know, and just doing loose shit there, I can only imagine what school camps were like, mate.

Tommy: Yeah, no, I was actually I was actually, it was probably the time I thrived because it was the closest thing to living a normal life or like, you know, like you're on an adventure and it's like, it stimulated me. You weren't doing bookwork and talking about bullshit.

Josh: All I think about is Lynx Africa and lighters when I think about school camp, because that was literally, I feel like half, half of the school camp was naughty boys with their Lynx Africa. And lighting it on fire.

Tommy: Yeah, that is so true. Lynx. Fuck, that shit stinks. And it makes— Yeah.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's young boys.

Josh: What is it called? It's called Axe or something. It's called Axe in the US. And I saw, I can't remember who it was, but an American friend who was travelling had some, or maybe even my mate Naysan has like their gel. And I just remember like having a really good laugh, like, oh, that's Lynx.. And I laughed. And then obviously anyone that owns Lynx or wears Lynx doesn't understand how funny Lynx is because you wouldn't be wearing it. So, it just completely went over their head. I was just like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen.

Tommy: Well, I use the Dove female. Well, it's like a, it's like a cross-sex spray, but it's very femme in terms of its smell. It's like soft cucumber, but it's the, it's the best one because you don't end up smelling like you're a 14-year-old on school camp.

Josh: Well, the best deodorant is by far— I've been using it, I've nearly run out, but Jason Fox, who we've had on the podcast, he got me some deodorant, which you would think is sort of the— it's a bit of a troll gift, or it's one of those things where it seems like something you hear when someone smells and you sort of try and tell them politely by buying him some deodorant. But he told me about this sort of hipster deodorant that he uses, and it's amazing. It's all natural and it's in like, it looks almost like a hair wax and it's called Mr. Pitts and you rub it on and it's been fucking phenomenal. Between doing that and wearing my merino wool t-shirts, I'm like, I haven't smelt at all.

Tommy: Well, it's a slippery slope, I feel, with those ones because you're going to be the guy that ends up just using a crystal under your arm. You know, those fucking hippies that use— Yeah, legit.

Josh: Your mum would use a crystal, wouldn't she?

Tommy: I remember seeing it and I was like, what is that thing? That's disgusting. It looks like a piece of salt, a king-size piece of salt that you're rubbing under your arm. And it was like, no, there's no chemicals or— it's like, yeah, but you stink.

Josh: Yeah, the whole— everyone at the yoga studio would be using it and stuff. I feel like it's got that sort of vibe.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, well, there's diminishing returns. On just your brand going that way.

Josh: I don't know, I don't know if people know, but talking about brand, actually, I was just before we were started this, so it's what, 6:15 in the morning. This is one of the first times that you're doing the early shift, so I appreciate that. Thank you. It's quarter past 10 here on the island. And can I say, we're doing a fucking brilliant job when it comes to the latency. I'm feeling strong, the banter's strong. This is a good episode, everyone. Send us your reviews through the podcast app. The, uh, no, I was gonna, I was gonna tell you about the, um, this documentary that I've been watching on Supreme. Do you know about the brand Supreme?

Tommy: Yeah, they're, um, very expensive. I actually don't know how they've become so popular. All I see is like rich kids and, um, yeah, I think it's very big in Asia with rich people. Yeah, that's all I got.

Josh: So in Japan, Japan, there's like the most amount of stores. I think there's about 4 or 5 stores in Japan. There's, um, 2 in the US. I can just hear Bree yawning in the background, which is really killing the mood, but we'll continue on. The, um, The, uh, yeah, so basically the brand is all about limited run clothing. And, um, there that you would have seen, you might have seen them, that sort of the red block and then in white writing it says Supreme. And what they were talking about on this documentary through YouTube, uh, was all about the resale, reselling of this stuff. So basically the same as with what's happened with the iPhone, with Apple, these launches now just have, you know, hundreds of resellers lining up and then they sell them. So an example is that like you buy a t-shirt from Supreme for $49 and then the resale value instantly is over $250.

Tommy: Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, you just could be willing to line up. I fucking hate lines. And I don't like Supreme.

Josh: Have you ever lined up for something like that?

Tommy: Not for shoes or a phone. I'm just trying to think. Mate, the closest thing is what you and I did. We, I mean, we were in different universes.

Josh: Krispy Kreme.

Tommy: Krispy Kreme. But that's the closest thing. And I mean, we could smoke marijuana in the car and we got the luxury of our own car.

Josh: Oh, you were in the car.

Tommy: So we did.

Josh: That's right. I did it on foot. I was 14. No, sir. 13 or 14. Fox FM was actually doing an outside broadcast. That's how big Krispy Kreme coming to Narre Warren next to Fountaingate was.

Tommy: Jokes on them, episode 40 live.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, we did it from there.

Josh: What a horrendous episode that was. We spoke to some guys from Noble Park though. That was probably a highlight. But I did have someone say to me, we caught up with someone in Italy a couple of weeks ago, and I said, "Hi, have you listened to the podcast?" Which is always a little bit risky. And he said, "Oh, yeah, I listened to the Krispy Kreme one." I was like, "Ah, okay." Yeah, I know. Don't know how that happened, but that's okay. It was a good episode.

Tommy: It was a bit horrible. It was a bit, yeah, it was not good. So, the Supreme, what I see, I follow this guy in Melbourne who I mean, I can— what my take on him is that he has inherited money, or his family are very rich, and he lives in this house in Toorak, and he has Bentleys and Lamborghinis and jewellery. He's wearing Cartier and Rolex, and he's got tattoos, and he's living this life of just travelling around, but he buys a whole bunch of Supreme and he's always posting like the bags and it's like, it's a bit of a, it's such a wank thing to—

Josh: It's a wank.

Tommy: It is. But it's, that's, I mean, these brands, you hope you become a wank brand in terms of the sales. Like, and when I say wank—

Josh: Are we a wank brand? Well, when do we become a wank brand? No, I guess we can never become a wank brand.

Tommy: Yeah. I think it's like these wank brands, not, you might take that the wrong way, but it's like, it's more of a showy thing. You're like, people want to pose with your, your brand, which is so powerful. Like, hats off to Supreme, how the hell they've done that. But sometimes it's like a, it's like a—

Josh: not that you can afford the hat, by the way.

Tommy: No, no way.

Josh: So there's no hats off because we don't own a hat.

Tommy: But it's like the cultural momentum that they, they get through their brand and through these people. Sometimes I don't think the brand even would think this is going to happen. Like how much, how much success have people had? How much success, how much success have people had over the years where it's been out of their control, but they've done a few things, but then they, and then so they're telling the success storey of something that they didn't even plan out. That's what I love about the whole.

Josh: I think that they started in the '90s as sort of a skater brand and then they've obviously gone well beyond that. But the interesting thing I think is that the— what Supreme sort of has done or especially in 2018 is if you've heard of the phrase flexing, you heard of flexing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it's all flexing, right? It's like— so, for people who don't know, flexing is Something that I think a bunch of YouTubers have been called out for doing, especially if they've got sort of doing vlogs, but it's people showing off and taking photos of their things. And so, you might— Tai Lopez, the dude who films himself with all these Lambos talking about how he made all of his money through reading. Like, he's someone who's flexing a fair bit.

Tommy: This guy that I'm talking about, the young bloke from Melbourne with the Lambos and Bentleys and shit. He definitely is flexing. So get this, I follow him pretty much. I mean, yeah, sure, I'd like some of his lifestyle, but it's also just like the ridiculousness of it as to why I follow. And so he, he did this Instagram storey once where he was like packing. He was in his cupboard, in his walk-in, um, dressing room, and he had all his clothes there and he's packing up all this old stuff that he doesn't wear. And when I say old stuff, it's fucking Supreme clothing, shoes, like shit that's really expensive that he's worn once. And he's packing it into bags and he's like, all right guys, um, the storey basically evolved and he's like, I'm going somewhere in Melbourne, I'm going to leave this bag full of these expensive clothes and I'm not going to say where it is.

Josh: How do you know this guy again?

Tommy: I just— a mate of mine has partied with him a few times and been to his house and, and, um, and sold him some art. Actually, he's bought some art. And so this guy went and took a bag of clothing to this location, and he didn't say where it was, but you could tell where it was. It was in the car park behind Dan Murphy's in Prahran, for anyone who knows it. Quad Lock shout out, they're doing a, um, they're doing a renovation to this car park at the moment. We used to go there and they, when we were young, and there used to be like a burnout competition, illegal. But anyway, so this guy was in his Bentley and he drives and parks and puts this bag full of Supreme clothes and other, you know, Gucci shit. It's like ridiculous, probably worth a couple of grand. And he puts it just in the middle of the car park near a ticket machine, and then he parks sort of off to the side and he waited. And like someone came within 30 minutes and he filmed them and he's like laughing like, look at this guy picking up this bag of clothing. It's like, joke's on you, idiot. You just gave away 4 grand's worth of clothing, 2 grand's worth of clothing, and this person got it. I literally thought about going to get it, but this is like rich, rich boy games.

Josh: Oh, I just— there's a huge amount of that, I think, especially even in places like Dubai. There's a big culture on like buying exotic animals. So people having like tigers and elephants and shit just as pets, just to flex.

Tommy: It's fucking ridiculous.

Josh: It seems a little bit, a little bit wrong.

Tommy: I'll just flex for a moment. This is more of a life hack flex from a poor boy in Melbourne. But when I was, when I was in Hollywood and we were in like, and we'll do this when we go to LA, you go to the thrift shops that are in like West Hollywood. So you're in a really, really good spot. And there's the thrift shops there and you go in. I found a pair of shoes that had been worn once. You couldn't even tell, they smelt new. And they were $20, a pair of high tops and they were Alexander McQueen. And I didn't even know what these were. So they were like an Adidas run with Alexander McQueen. I think they were Adidas. Yeah. Anyway, Alexander McQueen, the designer. Had, had, um, done like a, a limited run of these shoes, and I bought them for fucking $20, and I jumped online, $220 to buy brand new, and these things were pretty much brand new. But it was because we were in Hollywood, like, you know, the big celebs around.

Josh: Do you think about going there specifically for that reason? Were you like, there's got to be some, some good shit?

Tommy: Nah, dude, we were just in Hollywood, we were just at, um at Whole Foods across the road. Then we just walked over and we're like, fuck, let's have a look through here. Then I saw these high tops and I looked at the price. I was like, shit, I'm buying these. I walked out with them on. My best pair of shoes, my favourite pair of shoes that I don't wear.

Josh: I actually— another, a little bit of a life hack— I always buy my undies at Marshalls in the States, which is like— the American listeners, Spencer's probably rolling his eyes right now, but the Basically, there's like TJ Maxx, Marshalls, they have all the really good brands and it's like super cheap type of shit. It's like cheaper than GFO and all that sort of thing. So, I— my mate Naysan grew up in Papua New Guinea, but he was born in Chicago and he would— they would go back to the States every couple of years and they would do this massive like just shop up of just buying all clothes for the next couple of years because PNG being a pretty poor country and not having that many shops and that sort of thing. And so, when travelling with him, he just got me into this habit. So, sure enough, even all of Bree's undies are from Marshalls, Jessica Simpson's range, all like, fuck it, I would just like grab them all. And so, that's another— Because I think there might be that Whole Foods that you're talking about and stuff in West Hollywood. I feel like there might be a Marshalls. Very close by. We'll have to— Maybe we'll do a show from the car park of that thrift shop.

Tommy: Yeah. Amazing.

Josh: And see what we can find.

Tommy: Well, email—

Josh: Word of the day, TJ.

Tommy: What was that?

Josh: Word of the day. Oh, fuck.

Tommy: I was about to wrap us up. Alright. Take us out with the word of the day.

Josh: You would think that I'd have the Kindle here and all that sort of thing. So, do you know, it's actually really hard just to think of a word from the top of your head that's just not basic. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a fucking skill to be able to just reel something off quickly.

Josh: Alright. So, this word, it's very basic, right? But I think it's one that even you and I have been talking about what the exact meaning is. Very, very basic.

Tommy: Okay, go for it. Primitive. Yeah, well, I think, I think you've done this one because you tried to school me. Like, I don't know if that was right, mate. I used primitive in a sentence. You're like, mate, I don't know. I don't know if you got that right.

Josh: So, now he's coming. Do you want to have a crack at what you think primitive— It's the funny thing is the reason I— It came up was because I'm not on my Kindle. I've got my laptop here and I typed in dictionary.com and it finished it with 'primitively' as the, as the word in the URL. So, what do you think primitive is?

Tommy: I thought primitive was from the word primal, meaning like the human, like I guess human, what do you call it? Human traits across many years, like a primitive behaviour is something that is like from our ancestors and back. It's like a real core human trait. That's what I, that's what I kind of feel. I know, see, this is another one that I know when to use it, but I couldn't fucking explain it. Geez, there's so many people out there. We're just revealing our fucking inability or lack of knowledge.

Josh: People think we're real dummies.

Tommy: No, but I think most people are doing heaps of other stuff. I think there's a lot of people that be like us.

Josh: I hope so.

Tommy: Dumbasses.

Josh: Yeah, so it's an adjective, uh, primitive. Being the first or earliest of the kind or in existence, especially in an early age of the world. Primitive forms of life would be it in a sentence. So, but I think it's pretty, pretty spot on. Yeah.

Tommy: And so doing something primitive is what people would have done in the early existence of humankind. So it's like, I think you could say hunting If, yeah, primitive.

Josh: You could be, I guess there's something you could say to if someone, like say if there was a, I would use it in a sentence where, say if someone had done some work, maybe, or someone had an idea which was a bit old school, or like, oh, it's, or I've done something and it's the early stage and say, oh, this is a pretty primitive version of that final film that I'm making. Maybe I'd use it like that.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. Thanks for—

Josh: So there you go, word of the day. I want to make sure we're consistent. No, I think, I think it's, I think it's good. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Maybe you can send us your words. The funny thing is every time we do this, I think of Gemma Watts, who's a copywriter who listens to our show, and I'm always just thinking of her, just like her eyebrows raised at the ridiculousness that is us talking about words. But Gemma, maybe you can school us, send us a word.

Tommy: I want the evolution, and maybe I bring in this segment after we get sick of doing word of the day, and it's—

Josh: Never gonna happen.

Tommy: Saying of the day and the origins of the saying.

Josh: That's a great— Mate, I think that this could actually be a benchmark.

Tommy: Yeah, I like it.

Josh: Every— Because there's so many sayings that I also think that I fuck up.

Tommy: Yeah, in the war.

Josh: I just like— You just go with it with confidence. But it's, you know, especially older people, saying sayings to older people because you know that they're fucking primitive and they know the original. See what I did there? Yeah, I like it. Yeah, it's— I think that's a good idea. hi@thedailytalkshow.com for your sayings that you want to send us or even words of the day. TJ, have a lovely Wednesday and everyone else listening, enjoy your day as well. I'm off to bed. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you, guys.