Car crash witness in Rome

Tommy: Wait a minute!

Josh: Crossface, the Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett. It's a Daily Talk Show episode 133 coming at you. Yeah, you were told me to go to the Vatican. Yesterday.

Tommy: Yeah. Well, you are in Rome and when in Rome. Fucking go for a day. There's so many. Why is there from that place so many little sayings that dads say?

Josh: The when in Rome thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those ones where it's like even when we're not in Rome in Italy. Yeah. We do a bit of when in Florence. When in Tuscany, and now, yeah, of course. You've taken it to a whole new level.

Tommy: You've taken it to a whole new— When in Fountaingate shopping centre.

Josh: When in Fountaingate, mate, the things you get up to in Fountaingate. But no, I've probably gotten a bit gun-shy being in Rome and actually using the when in Rome. I think I used it more before we got here. But that's okay.

Tommy: You don't want to come across— Just for anyone, if this is the first episode you've ever listened to of the Daily Talk Show, I'm currently sitting in my lounge room in St. Kilda in Melbourne, and Josh is on the other side of the world. Uh, correct. And we do this show 5 days a week, and it hasn't always been like this. It hasn't just been some sort of, uh, relationship building over FaceTime recording. It's, um, this is unique. So you're travelling for quite a few months, and I told you, get yourself to the Vatican if you're in Rome.

Josh: And did you do resetting? Geez, we haven't done a reset in a while. That probably makes a lot more sense for people now who's just tuning in. I'm excited, I am excited, uh, when we do get back and we're back in person and we've got a studio and all that sort of thing. That would be—

Tommy: I will say I've secretly been thinking to myself every time I speak to you, fuck, I hope he just says, oh yeah, we're gonna actually cut it short. 'cause I just want to get back into it. And it's not that I don't want you to have a good time, don't get me wrong.

Josh: I get it. I was listening to What Now, Derek, the podcast by Dirty Derek, someone who we've had on the show and one of our dear friends of the show. And he was talking about the Daily Talk Show and specifically, I think he's cutting back to maybe doing his show once a week. And he's actually got a new episode out today, this Thursday, like a Thursday today. He was going to be bringing out an episode. So, there you go.

Tommy: Was that all the storey was?

Josh: No, it was just that Derek mentioned the fact that I was travelling. But he said that he wouldn't have coped if him and I were doing the show. No way. And I was travelling.

Tommy: He— He refers to us as young blood though. He's, I haven't got the energy of you young boys. Uh, nor do I, Derek. I've, uh, been sick for 4 weeks and this is a pain in my ass, but I love it.

Josh: I think it is good fun.

Tommy: It is weird how something can be a pain in the ass at times, but then you love it. It's like, I think everything is up and down. This is such a cliché to think that something that you know, will bring you success or move you forward or stimulate you will always be great. And this is the ex— this is a— this is an example in the making.

Josh: Yeah, it's the epitome of it, you know. It reminds me of the, um, the feelings that I have for this podcast. Probably I have the same feelings with going to the gym. And it— all this has proved to me is that if I just create the expectation that I show up and I do it, then it becomes easier. Because currently it's 6 AM in Rome, it's 2 PM in Melbourne. I fucked it up yesterday. I said when it was 3 PM, I said it was 6, it was actually 7 AM in Rome. And yeah, it means like putting on an alarm clock to wake up in the morning. The only thing, the only responsibility I really have is to do this podcast. But yeah, it's good fun.

Tommy: It's funny when you start doing something, how clear, uh, the, the roadmap becomes. And this came when yesterday I actually went to Derek's, uh, podcasting space with a friend of mine who I'm, uh, assisting in finding him a space.

Josh: It sounded like the, the way that you were just saying with a friend of mine, it sounded like you were trying to cover up the fact that you've got a, a new co-host coming in. A friend of mine who I have a podcast with No, this is one of my best mates.

Tommy: He wants to start a podcast. He's been in radio before, and, um, and he— and I, I was like, yeah, maybe you can record from Derek's, uh, space, and, you know, that can get you going. But then I just— we, we had this conversation, we had this conversation around, um, creating a podcast, and then you start hearing all the barriers come up. And on one, on one side of the coin, you can be empathetic to these reasons, and the other side you can be a bit of a hard-ass and just, nah, they're all just bullshit fucking, you know, excuses as to why you're not doing it. And yeah, they— I mean, for me it's like, and what we do, you know, not that we're the epitome of success in that sense, but we've been showing up. And so it's like, my— in my head is like, showing up is the only thing you need to focus on for a period of time, because then that showing up becomes the norm. And, and, and what I'm saying is, like, it's so clear when you start showing up. Like, I don't know how I have even been able to show up to, to do this. And it wouldn't have been if I was doing it by myself. I couldn't have shown up, no way. And so when you have someone there to do it, you'll do it in the car or at cafe or at Macca's, or, you know, Anyway, you—

Josh: I think the other thing too is probably people are comparing themselves, like it's like me comparing myself to a bodybuilder when I haven't yet gone to the gym. And in the sense of people look at other podcasts or they strive, they're like, man, I would love to be, you know, doing bodybuilding competitions, but they're not yet even going, you know, daily or, you know, going regularly to the gym. And so, I think that that's also the interesting barrier, but definitely the stuff like this is one of the first times that I've done something consistently that hasn't been like checking Instagram in my life. So, it's good to be able to, you know, and we're not getting paid and all that sort of thing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But—

Tommy: I'm getting a sense that you are wanting to go to the gym, you've mentioned Bodybuilding and another gym metaphor. So, is this a new—

Josh: I've been thinking about a little bit. Yeah, Pri actually started, she started doing like a daily workout type of thing where she watches some videos and stuff. And I was like hearing her, like I was in the shower the other day, I heard some like panting, I thought she was crying or something. And then it just turns out she was doing a, a workout. But, you know, I have been thinking about it a bit because— I know I've been thinking about it because I feel like I said this on yesterday's show, I feel like I've been leaning out and I've literally been eating pizza and gelato, but I've been doing like 20,000 steps a day.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, the dangerous thing about that is you end up seeing how little muscle you have. Not being mean, but that's what's happening, right? It's like you're losing body fat and you're getting thinner and thinner, and it just shows. Yeah, it's like this.

Josh: Well, I think it's all upper body, the upper body strength that I just need, because I think that my legs are quite strong just from the amount of, um, walking and stuff that I'm doing. I don't know if that, if that would create any muscle.

Tommy: It makes, it makes sense to the degree that you're your body is strong for the size that it is, but if you were 150 kilos, your legs would actually be stronger than they are now because they're having to—

Josh: Yeah, exactly. But that's what I'm saying. I think because I am a little bit like, I have been heavy in the past and I was like, I feel like that's all my legs have been the easiest thing to, uh, uh, like a pretty lean and get pretty strong. Yeah, but it feels good.

Tommy: It feels good being lean, like you you legit feel like you've got a bigger engine in a smaller car.

Josh: Yeah. No, absolutely. No, so I'm feeling it. So, yeah, I think I'll start tacking on to Bree's workouts and just doing some basic stuff. And the other thing that's happened is on the first week of doing all the walking, my back was so sore because I've had back problems in the past. And it's all gone away, which is awesome.

Tommy: That's good.

Josh: So, I've got like no— it's probably because I'm not like at a desk all day, but yeah, no back issues, all that sort of stuff. So, I feel like I'm in a good spot to start #lifting. So, I might buy some like big water bottles and start like, you know, putting them all together and pumping them or some shit.

Tommy: Just bringing the loop back around, the Vatican.

Josh: Closing the loop. Yeah, the Vatican. You told me to go and we did plan to go. We're going. What did you say, Breezy? Yeah. Yeah, we are going in 2 hours. We are heading off, which is why we have to be up early and have our bags packed from the hotel because we're leaving this hotel. We're off to Naples today by train. But yeah, we did plan to go to the Vatican yesterday and we went to a cafe that Bri had done the research on beforehand, which was this— I'm normally— I've spoken to this, spoken about this before. Normally when I'm travelling, I'm opposed to trying to find really good coffee or shit that's basically what Melbourne has to offer, like Bri and I have have done New York a few times and we multiple times have ended up at places where they serve Vegemite and it drives me insane.

Tommy: Yeah, I ended up at that joint, one of those joints too. So, you're getting, you're going for the gunpowder coffee that is just out of some 100-year-old machine and you want to have the full experience. It's good. I agree.

Josh: Yes. It is a good—

Tommy: It's out of your comfort zone, right?

Josh: Yeah. So, we basically, yeah, we went to a place that was a little bit more sort of different to Italian food in the sense of it had, we had like a, it was like a smashed avo, but it had olives in it, it had sprouts. I had zatar. It was like a Middle Eastern sort of thing. It was really good.

Tommy: And if you've just listened to this podcast for the first time, Josh usually does a food update on what he's consumed. It's his way of showing up and, you know.

Josh: It's never been an official segment. It has never been an official segment. But I'm happy to say if you watched yesterday's Insta story, we'll also have a word of the day. I've currently got, I've got my Kindle here and at some point we'll be pulling that out. The annoying thing is I haven't had enough time to do research on the specific word, so I'll be pressing on it and hopefully that I can pronounce it because I haven't had a chance to—

Tommy: That's the—

Josh: What's the pronunciation?

Tommy: That embodies our show. I was just thinking, because you've, you've had about 4 different phone numbers while you're away, so I didn't— I was going to say this to you before we got on the show, but I'll say it now. If you send me anything within the text message space and expect me to remember where it is within 4 different numbers, you're kidding yourself.

Josh: Uh, but then we use WhatsApp.

Tommy: Yeah, you can start using WhatsApp. It's one centralised Space.

Josh: Um, okay, let's use hay sale.

Tommy: But I was thinking, when I was in the States and I had an American number, I remember getting like random calls from people, and it was more just— I think they were just stumbling across or putting in the wrong number. And, you know, hi, is Janet there? Is that Janet? Is that you? Uh, have you got any phone calls from anyone?

Josh: No, no, I had one, one missed call. But I feel like, yeah, that is very common for the US. I think a lot of times maybe they reuse numbers or something on a more regular basis. So, I definitely have received a bunch of text messages from people thinking it's someone else's phone.

Tommy: Have you no telemarketers?

Josh: No, no, nothing in Italy. But yeah, as you said, I had to, because we're doing this show and I need to make sure that I've got data And this is, you know, quite data heavy, sending video and audio and doing all that sort of stuff. The, um, yeah, I've just gone through lots of data and they don't— with Vodafone Italy, you can't just, um, it's not as easy just to recharge with data. They only give you a really small amount to recharge. So, I went in there yesterday and they said, you've used 15 gigs in like a week and a half. And she was sort of shocked. She thought there must be some sort of mistake, and she was expecting me to sort of be like, complain or say, oh, impossible. But I was like, yeah, no, I did. Um, what should I do? And I just said to get a, get a completely new SIM.

Tommy: Geez, it's like, um, it's like it, it is cheaper to replace your whole entire iPhone through insurance than it is to replace the screen. When you smash it. It's absolutely ridiculous. This is a bit of a tech question for you. Uh, how on earth— because I just did a speed test before we started this— what this is, it seems dodgy to me. You do a speed test through Google, it came up on my end with download speed of 25.2, upload of 16.8. That's just with Google. I then went to a Telstra specific speed test on their website, and I ran it. Download 44.6, upload 20.9. Same connection, minutes apart, and Telstra have really milked the numbers. Yeah, and are saying I have double the connection almost.

Josh: So I think, I think this is my, this is my stab at it. I think the way that the speed tests work is you are connecting to another server, and that server will then— you're essentially downloading a file and then uploading a file, and then it's seeing how quick that is. And so what Telstra— if you're with Telstra, Telstra would be able to have optimised servers that are close. Basically, there's a strong connection. I don't— I'm not sure if this is 100% true, but my vibe— Trevor Long can jump in. But my vibe, without doing any research into it, would say that Telstra would be able to give you an optimised connection that's really close to you and that's going to give you a high, higher speeds. But they're all— the reality of what your actual speed is versus a speed test will even be different again because servers are in different parts of the world, where if you're doing a speed test, you'd be doing a speed test locally. You'll notice if you go to speedtest.net, they're finding the closest server that, um, to test from.

Tommy: Can you— I'm— so I'm running my internet and this call through the fastest network in Australia. Can you just quickly do a speed test on your laptop for the mobile phone internet that you've got there?

Josh: Well, no, I'll do it. I'll do it at the end as a treat, because if I do it now, I'm worried what will happen is when you— when you're doing a speed test, you're essentially smashing the system for a few seconds to see, you know, how much data, you know, you can push and pull. The problem with that is our call will probably fuck up. So, I'll do it at the very end as a nice sweetener just in case we completely lose the site.

Tommy: All right, good. I appreciate that because I did it while we were on the call and—

Josh: Yeah, you're outrageous.

Tommy: It didn't take us down.

Josh: Yeah, it's the equivalent of saying, "How flammable do you think the building is? Just light a little fire in the corner and we'll see how we go." Just, uh, bringing you back to the, um, telemarketers.

Tommy: This— they've been so savage on my end.

Josh: And what do you mean?

Tommy: Oh, as in savage is in just constant, relentless, just, yeah, just, just coming down hard on me. I don't know where they've got my number from, and it seems a bunch of my mates have got the same issue. Um, and so I'm a bit like, when they call and I know it is— because I don't know if sometimes they're calling through like a a landline or it seems like a mobile number and I think it's going to be a client. And so I'm just very cagey, like I pick up the phone, just do something weird or like—

Josh: You just hiss at them, like a hero.

Tommy: I hold for a second and so before they say anything, and a lot of the time they have my, you know, is Mr. Jacket there or is that Tommy? 'Hello, is that Tommy?' And so they could be your mate, but this is, this is the flow and effect of what's happening. I got a call last week and I picked it up and I didn't know the number. 'Hello,' just very, very like brief, um, 'hello.' And then they're like, 'Hi, uh, is that Tommy?' And I just had this weird back and forth where they would have thought I was the biggest weirdo on earth because I was convinced it was a telemarketer and it was a client. No. And they were just like, oh, I just went into this thing of just, oh mate, I'm so sorry, I've been getting hounded by these people.

Josh: That's so funny. Well, you also have the extra problem of being where you park your car. If you park later in the day, you have to park people in, so you need to then leave your phone number on the dashboard. So you'll get a rand— you need to answer the call because you'll get a random Person calling who you have no idea who it is, being like, yeah, hey mate, can you move your car?

Tommy: Exactly. So yeah, I'm getting all sorts of calls. I actually thought—

Josh: So, the Vatican.

Tommy: The Vatican.

Josh: I haven't— I haven't— You haven't been. You can't go there. Mate, but you don't know why I haven't been. So, I'd only gotten part of the story, to the storey where I— We'd had a beautiful breakfast, but as we were walking back, We were planning on going to the Vatican yesterday. Anyway, we're going over, we're going over a bridge, sort of a— The breakfast spot was 50 minutes from our hotel. It was in a quiet area. We were coming back, we're probably 20 or 15, 20 minutes away from the Vatican, walking over this sort of small one-lane bridge. There's sort of parked cars on the side of the bridge and then there's We were getting close to the end of the bridge where people were turning on, and as we're getting closer, we see this car speed around a corner and slam its side into a parked car. The mirror goes flying, the— all the per— the car wheel smashes in, there's all debris on the road, and the car that did it does a runner.

Tommy: Oh, no.

Josh: And so we— So I got my phone out and I got photos. And then as I do of the rego plate of the car model, like really had to quickly zoom in and take the photos. He's quick. And was happy that I got the— Yeah, I was pretty proud of myself, actually.

Tommy: And hang on, were you using your 1D that can take, you know, 100 photos a second?

Josh: Could you imagine if I had my 1D? No, but this was actually even better because I had, with the iPhone, it's got the live function, so I could literally go through frame by frame and find an image that had the clearest shot of their number plate. It worked really well.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: But what would you do? What would you do in that situation, do you think? Are you— Oh, shit. Would you contact someone? Like, would you leave a note? What would be your tactic?

Tommy: I left a note on someone's window where I saw just this dude who just reversed into a car in a car park, and I just—

Josh: Did you get the number plate?

Tommy: I had a go at the old dude who did it. Yeah, he's like, mate, are you gonna say anything? And he's just like, just, yeah, old bloke, couldn't give a shit. And so I left my number on the windscreen of the car and said, I saw someone reverse into you. 'If I've got their details, if you need me to be a witness, give me a buzz.' And so did they call? Never called. Bizarre.

Josh: Interesting.

Tommy: But so that, I think that just paints what I'd do. I'd somehow try—

Josh: I wonder if the old bloke came back and took it off.

Tommy: Yeah, took it off and then he gave your number to all the telemarketers.

Josh: You've been living with it ever since.

Tommy: You little fucking idiot. As he takes it off the back.

Josh: Were you just doing an accent then?

Tommy: Yeah, he was an old Russian guy.

Josh: Okay. Yeah, great. I'm glad we were able to close the loop on the accent.

Tommy: It was in Balaclava. The worst drivers in Melbourne are in Balaclava.

Josh: Really? Interesting. I didn't know that. There's some pretty bad ones on the Monash Freeway.

Tommy: It's my data that I've collected and made that.

Josh: It's a small sample, small sample. But the— So, we ended up— I was sort of standing there with Bri and like, what do we do? And all our internet had stopped working because I'd been using too much and it didn't give me any warning or anything. So, I didn't have any phone to use, to be able to call or to use data. I probably could have called someone, but know what to call in English anyway. And someone was walking past and we had a quick conversation with him and he was like, yeah, that person, like crazy. He couldn't speak much English, obviously, because we're in Italy. And he said, yeah, you should go to the polizia or whatever. Like, he was sort of broken, polizia. And so, I was trying to Google, obviously Google wasn't working. And then some ladies from 3 storeys up on a building yelled out and they couldn't hear me, so they came down to the ground floor and started speaking Italian. I said, "Io non capisco l'italiano." And she said, "L'inglese?" And I said, "Sì." And then she had another person that came and was speaking English and she got all the details and then a guy came up to me and he said, oh, um, we're a radio station, would you like, would you like a, um, a tour?

Tommy: And at this point, a pitchfork appeared in Josh's pants and he had a digital chubby.

Josh: It was, it was very exciting. Is that really a phrase people use, a pitchfork in your pants? Um, why a pitchfork? So I mean, it's more because of you, because you're the, the dog with the three dicks, so it actually would be a pitchfork.

Tommy: A pitchfork holding up the tent.

Josh: Ah, okay, of course. Yeah.

Tommy: Because it looks like a T.

Josh: When I think of pitchfork, I think of three, um—

Tommy: Yeah, I do too.

Josh: Three things.

Tommy: Maybe I fucked that. But either way, we got this.

Josh: Is that really a phrase that people use to describe an erection?

Tommy: A pitched tent. Yeah, because when you're a little kid—

Josh: Pitched tent.

Tommy: You've pitched a tent. No. Have you never seen that?

Josh: Never. But, um, everyone's got to go back to this. I can't remember what episode where your brother tells the storey of one of your early—

Tommy: Oh, no.

Josh: Boners where your dad had to hose you down with cold water because you're freaking out. Um, but anyway, the, um, the show's gotten smutty. Sorry everyone. Uh, but, um, yeah, so, and anyway, he ended up giving me a tour. They were a, uh, they were called Voice of Hope. They had like 4 or 5, um, studios around Europe. They're like a Christian radio station. It was just so funny. I got— So, I'll put it on our Instagram, but I got photos of me in the studio. And yeah, it was just one of those moments where I was like, ah, because I could have just been like, oh man, it's too hard to do anything in this circumstance. I'm just going to walk off. And then just because I had it in my mind that it would have been really cool when travelling to go and do some research and speak to some podcast studios or some radio stations. And just for that to happen, it was pretty hilarious.

Tommy: You were telling me about the dude who put all of our intro together.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: When he was in New York, he did some tours of the radio stations over there.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, there's less of a language barrier. That's awesome. So, what did it look like? It probably was better than the station I worked at in Shepparton, the commercial radio.

Josh: I was telling Bray, it had, it definitely had SBS or something vibes. They weren't like, they didn't have a heap of coin. I was trying to impress him with my microphone knowledge. I was like, ah, the RE20, one of my favourite microphones. And he didn't, um, he didn't say anything. So then a few seconds later, I'm like, ah, the Electro-Voice RE20, love that mic. He didn't react again. Yeah, he could. But he was a presenter, so I don't think he gave a fuck about what the microphones were. But I was just like, I was feeling the soundproofing they'd used. I was like looking at, I'm like, oh, what are they running for audio processing?

Tommy: So, they're live streaming or what's the deal?

Josh: No, so they've got frequency, so they've got standard radio frequency, they've got a satellite internet streaming, and there's 5 studios around Europe. So they're basically like, you know, similar to a networked show in Australia. They're sort of, you know, he's the equivalent of the Hamish and Andy driving you home, but for the Christians. It's like a sect of Christianity. I'm not going to go into it because I know that I'll fuck it up.

Tommy: A lot less smart than the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Yeah, less smart. But I did, I was very excited and said, I actually have a podcast. And I didn't— Sorry if you heard that noise, Bree's just opening a wooden cupboard. It sounds a bit like a fart. We've got 5 water bottles.

Tommy: Josh nicknamed her asshole as the wooden cupboard.

Josh: The wooden cupboard. Bree's new nickname. But we do have— What Bree was just pointing out is we— I bought all these like 1-litre bottles of water and We carried them all the way back to the hotel. We leave today and we've got like 4 of them left, so we need to like drink. So, I'm gonna need to piss so much at the Vatican. Is it good? Good toilets at the Vatican?

Tommy: No, do not go hard on water. Just consume what you need. Don't.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Don't be silly. You're leaving, just, mate, how much were they? €1?

Josh: Yeah, less. Yeah, €0.28 from the supermarket.

Tommy: It's actually ridiculous. I did the exact same thing. I left water at hotels constantly because you want to have more than you need, but then it probably gets thrown out, so it's counterproductive.

Josh: Are you ready for my word of the day?

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: I was thinking maybe I'd do one that is going, oh, mate, I've got so many.

Tommy: Mate, don't overthink it. Close your eyes and hit the screen. And then we're going to learn this one word.

Josh: Here we go. I'm just trying to think of the ones I can actually say. Okay. I'll say a word and you can tell me what you think it means. Okay. Yeah. Right. And then errant, E-R-R-A-N-T, errant.

Tommy: Errant. What came to mind was like irrelevant, errant. So, it might be used in a in a time where that's, that's errant. So it's, it's no good, it's useless, it's irrelevant.

Josh: Okay, it is an adjective which, if you listen to last, uh, yesterday's episode, you realise that means nothing to us. But, um, it's, uh, uh, erring. I think it's erring. E-R-R-I-N-G. Erring or straying from the accepted course or standards. An errant husband coming back from a night on the tiles. I've never heard of a night on the tiles before. Errant. There you go.

Tommy: I'm just trying to work out—

Josh: Glad the word of the day is going so well.

Tommy: I'm trying— No, I was trying to work out what that phrase means, a night on the tiles.

Josh: I guess it just means being out and about on the town, being a bit loose. But I found the— This was— It was from the book that I'm reading, All the Noise of It: Living in a Tuscan Hill Town, and the context in which he used it was, "Mine is still a mess and I do not like to think about the amount of time I have wasted searching for errant measuring tapes and hammers." So, that makes a lot more sense now. So, it's basically like shit that's not in their place. They've gone rogue. They're loose. Yeah. There we go. Errant.

Tommy: Errant. I like it. I probably would never use it, though. To me, it doesn't have enough punch. It would probably make you seem smart, that the person you'd use it in a conversation with would be like just constantly trying to think about what the fuck you just said and what that means.

Josh: Yeah, so there you go. And, and just as a, as a bonus one, given we're going to the Vatican, a, um, do you know what a convent is? I've always gone to Abbotsford Convent and people have told me what a convent is, but suddenly I, um, always forgot the actual meaning.

Tommy: A convent? I thought like a— I thought it was a place where nuns would congregate.

Josh: Yeah, a Christian community of nuns living together under monastic vows. Yeah, so there you go. Maybe I'll see one at the Vatican. Maybe that's what the Vatican is. We never know. It will be closing some loops.

Tommy: It's one big— it's a city of that.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, it's its own fucking— it's its own, uh, um, state, right?

Tommy: Yeah, it's ridiculous. One fun fact, when I was there, I saw the Pope.

Josh: He was— We were hoping to see the Pope yesterday because it was Wednesday, but then the whole car crash thing, I don't even know if they ended up— if he ended up coming out. What was he like to you? Was he nice? Say hi, Tommy, listen to the show.

Tommy: I didn't high-five him. He wasn't in— He was on the back of a wagon, but he didn't have his full bulletproof thing on. But I mean, you know, from all accounts, good guy, good guy. Uh, he's not the Pope anymore, so I mean—

Josh: Oh really? This is the old Pope? Yeah.

Tommy: Hey, while you pull up your, um, speed test, and we do this for the end of the show, when I was flying out of Rome, I would— I, I just sat down right at the front of the gate to get onto the plane, and a big line formed, and, um, It was, it was huge. It was a Ryanair flight, so it was like people just wanting to get straight on. And I sat down and these two, um, they're not called— I don't think they're pastors, priests. These young guys came and sat next to me and they're in their full getup, so you could totally tell that they were, um, you know, a part of the Catholic Church. And we got talking and they're like, yeah, you know, spoke English, yeah, we're from this part of Italy and we're we just came to see the Pope on Wednesday and blah blah blah. And so we got along really well and we're just chatting, and then the line started to move and I was like, fuck, I don't want to wait to the end because I want to get my seat on the plane because it was the flight I was on was best in, best dressed. And so the— these two priests got up and I got up with them and we just merged into the front of the line.

Josh: Amazing. I guess that's the, uh, Yeah, that's what they get for, um, giving their life to, uh, whatever they fucking say, the whole religion thing. I, um, I did a downloads and uploads test, 50 megabits down, 15 up. In saying that, I'm currently using the hotel Wi-Fi, which is really strong, but I'm preparing for— I'm preparing for being in Naples, um, and what that's going to be like. But the thing is, tomorrow, uh, it won't be coming live from Rome and Cinque Instead, it will be an episode with Mick Hall, who we recorded a few weeks ago in Collingwood. Mick Hall's an interesting bloke.

Tommy: Well, interesting to say the least. He was in jail with Chopper Reid. He was a heroin addict and now he's kicking ass helping people get clean. He owns a rehab centre in Melbourne that helps hundreds of people. Hundreds and hundreds of people a year get off drugs. And yeah, better than sex.

Josh: Yeah, super interesting chat with Nicole. If you, uh, want to send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. And also, if you've gotten this far, it means that you might not hate us, and so we would ask that you please do a podcast review through the podcast app. On your phones or through iTunes, if anyone still uses iTunes.

Tommy: Mate, I use iTunes. What are you talking about?

Josh: What do you mean? For what?

Tommy: I use iTunes for all my stuff. I used to.

Josh: Okay, outrageous.

Tommy: What do you use? Spotify. Ah, yes. Okay, okay.

Josh: Yeah, iTunes is a fucking mess ever since they did that Music Match thing when they sort of imported every song that I'd ever downloaded. Fucking mess. Anyway, The Daily Talk Show, have a good one, and we'll see you Monday, and I'll be live from somewhere in Italy, probably on an island, I think. So, there we go.

Tommy: Yes. See you, guys.