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Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface, the Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: Episode 112.

Tommy: What's up?

Josh: There's a bit of noise, I don't know if you can hear in the background.

Tommy: We're in my office, just— it's nice and Okay, Bree's just yelled, so there is noise. It's— it adds a bit of atmosphere, she says. But this is a live episode. We're in front of an audience of 3.

Josh: That's the biggest live crowd we've had.

Tommy: Someone just walked past. I'll count that as 4.

Josh: This is actually huge. Are you feeling the sort of epicness of this show?

Tommy: I've thought about us doing this on stage because we talked about doing like an open mic-esque night, open mic vibes, where you kind of have have a bunch of people on stage.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, or we have other, you know, guests. And I was thinking about how much would it change it, because we don't record this, we don't video this yet. I was thinking about adding that extra element on. Like, I pick my nose and I'm a fucking grub pig.

Josh: A grub is a really funny slur though, isn't it? It is.

Tommy: You grub, grub, grub.

Josh: I was thinking, what'd you used to call me, a rat?

Tommy: I called you a rat half the time. It was because you were trying to hump me or do some weird shit.

Josh: It was when you were— no, you're flying a drone and you had it pointed down.

Tommy: Oh no, no, I'm just talking.

Josh: That's the only time I've ever humped you.

Tommy: Yeah, you were a rat then. But then the other time you were a rat is when you had sunburn and you were peeling and you were wanting me to fucking touch it.

Josh: Yeah, what do you say?

Tommy: No, get the fuck off me, you rat. Yeah, it was an old school Year 7 slam.

Josh: It was the best slam there is, really. No, it's the— I would worry about the— the one concern I'd have about the live show is showing off. Yeah, what, they get silly?

Tommy: The JJ putting on a little home show?

Josh: I only ever get— I've— I just feel a bit triggered to perform. No, I was gonna say it would just trigger the reminding me of when I was a kid and being in the car and mum saying that I was showing off. Oh yeah, and Bree does it too. She knows my trigger point. She'll say, oh, you were, um, you said that thing, you weren't— you you know, I said that in confidence, you're just showing off. So, I don't know, maybe I'd be good.

Tommy: Maybe.

Josh: But also you'd have to bring a certain level. I'm really annoyed because, uh, I'm not annoyed, I guess it's just part of being Josh, but I, uh, just got a subscription renewal for, uh, for Strava, which I haven't used.

Tommy: I can make this decision for you. Do not renew. You don't fucking use it.

Josh: Yeah, well, it's a Strava, a bike riding app. What's already come up, it's a—

Tommy: Oh, you've paid it.

Josh: Yeah, it's this, "Dear Josh, the following subscription." Oh no, this is a great opportunity. Bree's giving me a stare. It's only $89 a year.

Tommy: Only, I love it how you paint the only $89 a year and I'm about to go away for 4 of those months.

Josh: Strava Premium, 5th of August I register. So if I can remember to turn that off.

Tommy: Okay, Bree, put a note in your diary, 5th of August, or do it for the—

Josh: No, well, you can, I could do it now. I could close it down now.

Tommy: Yeah, but we're doing a podcast here, mate.

Josh: The other thing too is the, The other things I'm paying for and not using at the moment, The Atlantic.

Tommy: What the hell is The Atlantic? It's a newspaper.

Josh: Yeah, newspaper, New York Times.

Tommy: And what, you meant to read those?

Josh: Yeah, so I've got a couple of apps. I was going into a stage where I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna be a little bit more thoughtful with the media that I'm consuming.

Tommy: Well, I see, yeah. And you thought that that's the really healthy outlet to consume?

Josh: Well, it's like instead of—

Tommy: Really reliable media.

Josh: Well, instead of using Facebook or Twitter or Instagram as my news source, maybe I could just read sort of sort of more editorialised pieces.

Tommy: I had the idea of doing a video of you pinning up on a wall with, you know, like Post-it notes all the subscriptions you had, and you weren't keen on it. It never really stuck with you. I was like, this is going to be so great, it's going to be able to see like how much money a year you're spending and how much we can cut it down.

Josh: And I mean, that would be handy for you just to do anyway for me if you wanted to do it.

Tommy: I went to Woolworths yesterday. Yeah, one of the big, big two. No, big three. What would it be? What are the— how many shopping centers? Aldi, Woolworths, Coles.

Josh: Why would you say— are you the type of guy to say Aldi first?

Tommy: No, I just was reflecting because I'd already said Woolworths, meaning like the big three supermarkets.

Josh: No, there's a big two. Big two supermarkets.

Tommy: Well, I went to Woolworths yesterday. I bought a bunch of stuff for dinner, some pumpkin, some, uh, other things to roast, onion, a bunch of other stuff, some corn chips, hummus. Have I got you? You interested?

Josh: Yeah, I'm interested.

Tommy: Anyway, I took it all to the front. Yes, there was. I think it was that one. Can I just—

Josh: before you— just, just, um, in regards to, uh, hummus or hummus, hummus, hummus. Can I just say hummus? I don't know how to say it. Anyway, the— you know how you can get the big 1 kilo tubs? Bray and I used to buy that and like it would last a little while. Yeah, read on the tub a while back, you've got to consume within 5 days. Yeah, the whole thing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So there's no— like, the idea of having a kilo of hummus in 5 days, even for me, is a stretch. Anyway, so you've bought some pumpkin, you've got some hummus.

Tommy: I took them all to the front and I put them down. Oh yeah, bags are 50 cents now. So they've removed all plastic bags.

Josh: I think that's right.

Tommy: 100%, but, and I know I sort of let people in on my thinking process. It was very quick, but I had a moment where it was like, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, but I immediately then countered that with telling her, this is such a great thing, I'm so glad it started. But I honestly think it is right, that's really good. And I honestly have known, known about it and been behind the initiative to get rid of these plastic bags. But the little part of me, that asshole in me, was just like, ah, You're kidding me. You're putting me out here.

Josh: I think it's great. Like, we could call that the haircut effect, which is when your mate gets a haircut and it looks shit and you want to say something and you go to say it's a shit haircut, but instead, you know, you want to say, you have to say something out of the system. So you're like, mate, great haircut, but it's fucking shit. You know that, right? And so it's a similar thing. You've just done a bit of a switcheroo.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: You've taken a negative thought, which it was stupid because it is. I did that last night where I've been staying at my mum and dad's before Bree and I head off next week.

Tommy: He's wasting time, let's be honest.

Josh: I'm not comfortable with that.

Tommy: You're in transition because you're flying first class next Tuesday.

Josh: With points, with points. No, but I— did you just do a hummus burp or no? Riley's eating. Is it Riley that's eating something? It smells good. She's got her headphones in.

Tommy: Riley, what are you eating?

Josh: What's Riley eating?

Tommy: What are you eating there?

Josh: Spaghetti?

Tommy: Spaghetti? With meatballs?

Josh: Squash. But not spaghetti, squash. Okay, great.

Tommy: I'm glad I asked.

Josh: She says it's great. She just discovered it this morning. All right, great. We'll have to do another restaurant.

Tommy: Couldn't take it home in a bag though.

Josh: Had to buy it for 50 cents. No, so yes, I'm not living with my parents. I'm just like staying there for a few days. Anyway, Bree and I have been getting up at 5:00 AM every morning to get in so she can go to the gym in Abbotsford at 6:00 AM. And so it means early nights. I need 8 hours of sleep.

Tommy: Yeah, we know, princess.

Josh: I've been editing a lot and, or been trying to, I've been fucking procrastinating like you wouldn't believe.

Tommy: I can tell.

Josh: But I got into a flow editing. Anyway, didn't get home to mum and dad's where we're sort of just temporarily staying.

Tommy: Yeah, we know, you said that.

Josh: It's just temp.

Tommy: To be clear, Josh is not actually living back at home.

Josh: No, it's all just temp.

Tommy: Which is nothing wrong with that.

Josh: It's all temporary. Anyway, and Mum will tell you that too. She's made it very clear.

Tommy: She wants you fucking gone, dude.

Josh: I mean, even us keeping shit there, she's not comfortable with. It's like, um, no, I get it.

Tommy: Once you've flown the nest, they don't want you flying back.

Josh: Yeah, it's a sort of, yeah, once you've done that deal. But, uh, get home and Mum says, oh, Josh, we need some help. It's at 8:30. I want to be in bed by 8:30, but I'm like Okay, whatever. Mum says, we need some tech help. I'm like, okay, yeah, what is it? I was fine at that point. And then she said, I got a new iPhone and it's asking for my email password. And the thing is, I'm happy to help Mum and Dad, and Mum will quickly point out, do you know how much we've done for you? Yes, that shtick.

Tommy: Yeah, we really actually has, George.

Josh: She's done a lot. She's done a lot. She used to— Mum and Dad used to drive me to the Victorian College of the Arts 2 days a week so I could do a film course. And they spent probably 4 grand over 2 years on the course. They've done a lot.

Tommy: Along with just raising you full stop.

Josh: No, but mum will bring up the VCA thing as the go-to.

Tommy: That's the one she just thinks she knows how to cut through to her son.

Josh: I don't know what it is, but that's the shtick that she likes to talk about. It's not the fact that like they, I lived with them and they brought me up for 18 years. It was the 2 trips to VCA every week apparently. But anyway, so she says to me that the password, yeah, isn't working. And so I said, "No, you just need to put in the password, like your last password and it works." And she goes, "I don't know what it is." And the reason this was so upsetting was because Dad had forgotten his password probably a year ago and it was such a pain in the ass. And I, in that moment said, the one, thing that I can't help you with is if you forget your password. Just write it down. I don't care if you don't want to use LastPass, if you don't want to use one of those password managers, which is what I've been suggesting. Yeah, just— that's the one thing I can't— that's the one thing I can't help you with, right? The one thing I can't help you with is remembering your fucking password. And so I was so angry about it, and so— and Mum was like, you know, don't worry about it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I was like, no. And so I was in the moment, I was like, okay, I won't worry about it. And I was going off to bed, I'm like, look, I thought about it, I'm like, you know what, she's, uh, they're about to go on a trip. I'm like, they're going to be— she's not going to have email, she's not going to be able to access her email. So then I had to troubleshoot and sort it out and took like half an hour, got it all sorted. But it was, uh, I was so annoyed and I reacted. Yeah, I've been listening to a, um book at the moment. I think it's like The Power of Being Disliked, or like being comfortable with it.

Tommy: Not how to deal with your mum and dad.

Josh: Exactly. But what I— I don't know why, but there was something in that book which sort of inspired me to be like, you know what, I don't need to be an asshole right now. And so it's that annoying thing where you're being an asshole initially. Yeah, you said you're like, this is fuck— like, like, I'm— was planning on going to bed right now, and now I'm gonna spend an hour sorting out this thing just because you didn't remember the password. That was the one thing, right? It's Inconvenient. But the thing is, I understand that that's like an asshole-ish thing. And so, but the thing, the annoying thing about that is once you've said it, even once you've fixed the password and you've done the 45 minutes, you get none of the credit because you're still the asshole.

Tommy: Well, because you're arced up at the start.

Josh: Yeah. So now it's like, thanks for nothing.

Tommy: The thing with family relationships is there's trigger points. Yeah, it's from growing up, it's from— and I get it. Technology. I wonder if technology as in this kind of shit you're talking about, has taken apart families.

Josh: I reckon iCloud has done it alone.

Tommy: Well, have you been, you know, the Apple Store? My mate messaged me, he's like, dude, what a fucking awesome store. They do like, they run workshops for people to—

Josh: When was this? I hope that if this wasn't between 2008 and 2009, your mate is sitting under a rock.

Tommy: It was last week. I know who, but I appreciate because I look, I go into an Apple Store and This is my friend who has a business and he appreciates a well-oiled machine, and that's what the iStore is. Oh, the Apple Store.

Josh: Fucking iStore. Can everyone, if you're in your car right now and you haven't burst out laughing at the iStore, you're an imbecile. The iStore. Anyway, but you're saying there's, um, it's an optometrist.

Tommy: They have those, there's like, but you know, you can do courses, like you can learn iMovie. Yeah, and I didn't respond to him, but I've seen that happening and it is people 50 and above.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: They're, those people who are running those courses, fucking patient.

Josh: And that you'd, I would get so triggered. I'd probably end up yelling at all of them.

Tommy: You would.

Josh: But the thing was, no, the thing was though, that in that moment I shifted it and I actually went out and apologized. I said, sorry, like I'm just a bit tired. Sorry about that.

Tommy: What was their response?

Josh: Oh, so like, it wasn't sort of like, oh no, I understand. It's like, yeah, basically, should have been, yeah, you fucked up. We've done so much for you, which is such a, you know, she's— Mum's not reading the same books I am.

Tommy: The reality is we owe it to our parents in a big way.

Josh: We do.

Tommy: And we let this shit get in the way. I just— Buddy's— I mean, Buddy already owes me. He owes his mum. If he put his mum through hell, and he wouldn't survive without us. So there is a bit of that, and I get it.

Josh: And so I'm trying to be— and I also just think they're gonna be dead at some point.

Tommy: Okay, that's a bit rough.

Josh: Isn't that true? Isn't that the whole thing? Like, I think nothing will bring you back to reality like mortality, which is like, actually, you know, they're getting old. And so I don't want to be like even if they've got like 40 years left, you know, they're in their 90s.

Tommy: It's a dark place to take it, and your head does take you dark.

Josh: Well, it's the only way that I could, uh, reconcile this, reset mum's password without shooting up the whole joint.

Tommy: All right, she'll be dead in 40 years. I'll do this password thing once.

Josh: We know that it won't be once, but then I did the backend work too now, so I can sort it out in the future. But the other thing that was funny was then Dad has got— he's just quit his job and he was, you know, trying to save everything. He's trying to say— and he had, um, he had like an old work email address that had all contacts and stuff that he wanted.

Tommy: And so this has ruined me before. I lost all of my notes because they were attached to my work email.

Josh: Well, the day before, I'd spent half an hour— this is what's turned in— basically Mum and Dad have kept the whole, all of their technical issues until I arrived. Everything's happening at once.

Tommy: You are my support guy. Remember how I even said I am like what I am for my mum. My mum comes to me when she has something. You were that person for me.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So I get it. When your son's a tech guru.

Josh: Well, it's—

Tommy: Had melbangeek.com.

Josh: It's true.

Tommy: Mum probably paid for the fucking decal of your car.

Josh: Good you. I think Blahj actually did that for me. Thanks for the shout out, Blahj. But yeah, no, so, but it was funny because Dad was, he was showing me this account that he wanted to, he was asking whether, he said, if I delete this, will I lose everything? 'Cause I don't wanna lose it. And as he was doing it, he had on his iPhone, he had the screen and it said delete account. And then it had underneath it said, by deleting it, it deletes off your phone, you won't have it, you can't get it back. And as he was pointing to it, he accidentally knocked it with his finger.

Tommy: Was it his toe thumb?

Josh: Yeah, no, it wasn't his toe thumb, toe thumb. But you should say in his face because he's like, it's gone, isn't it? It's gone. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, when you press that button, it's gone. And you just press delete. He goes, no, I was hovering, hovering my finger, I didn't touch it. I'm like, the phone doesn't care.

Tommy: No, bro.

Josh: But the good thing, what, like, he was— he's a hoarder. He, he had he actually just sold, oh, thousands. I think he's just sold a couple of thousand dollars worth of car magazines, really. And he had like old school, like magazines are so old they had like, um, cigarette commercial, like, um, ads in them and stuff like that. But he is a massive hoarder, so I knew that I'd backed up all his important stuff like the day before, so I knew that whatever I'd lost would have probably been this tiny, tiny little bit of information.

Tommy: So, and who's buying these magazines? Other hoarders? Yeah, into cars. That's the exact—

Josh: that's the feeling I have with minimalism, right? Getting rid of stuff. There's this, this level of grossness, which is I'm just palming on this thing that I know that doesn't give me value, and I'm giving it to someone else so they can pacify all their problems.

Tommy: So maybe the blender that we gave you. Yeah, we got that. That was very useful. You made soup that night. Appreciate that.

Josh: Did it work okay?

Tommy: It's a really good blender. Is there issues with the blender?

Josh: No, no, no.

Tommy: You haven't told us.

Josh: It caused one apartment fire, but that's all fine. No, it's a Breville. It's one of sort of the—

Tommy: That's lovely. But maybe, so what you're saying is that the minimalist movement, it should be less about selling to get money for your items and scaling down more, a big bonfire where you're just lighting it all up, you're just fucking burning it.

Josh: There's so many done. Well, there's all of these, um, bits to it too, right? Which is like, there is that the guilt that comes with it, which is like, actually, I've bought all this shit and I don't need it anymore. I guess you try and sort of sell it first and donate, or just—

Tommy: well, books are those things because how often—

Josh: books are easy, books are easy to deal with. I feel like everyone wants a book, but I've got like a couple of hundred DVDs.

Tommy: And so does our mate James.

Josh: Yeah, do you think James wants them? Maybe.

Tommy: Well, he does not want them.

Josh: Well, he was just— well, he was talking about, um, yesterday that he's apparently preparing for some sort of apocalypse where everything goes except his DVDs.

Tommy: His point was, what if Netflix shuts down?

Josh: Yeah, and I said, well, wouldn't you just go to Village Cinemas? He's like, nah, but Village Cinemas would be Taken down. I'm like, well, if Village Cinemas is taken down, like, what's— what have you got set up that's going to allow your DVDs?

Tommy: A DVD player, Blu-ray.

Josh: Yeah, you would need to have— you'd want, you'd want one of those sort of universal ones. Why?

Tommy: I mean, you're wanting to sell them.

Josh: Yeah, well, I tried to sell them, but it's, um, they ended up going— they started off with a box to sell. Yeah. And then they ended up in storage. I actually went to move them the other day. And Bree had written on a texter, DVDs for storage, and then underneath it just said, lol. So we understand the ridiculousness of it because we're paying now for storage for the DVDs. It's sort of a bit of a vicious cycle. It's ridiculous. We need to get rid of them.

Tommy: Get fucking rid of them.

Josh: Yeah, I don't know.

Tommy: Do not need them.

Josh: Yeah, man, you've still got that cough. You, you, you, uh, You basically were talking about, I actually for some reason, oh yeah, I looked up sickie yesterday when I was doing the podcast.

Tommy: 'Cause we was talking about it.

Josh: You was talking about it.

Tommy: We was sickie yesterday.

Josh: And I was just checking the spelling. And interestingly, one thing that I'd never really realised is a sickie, the definition of a sickie is actually a sick day that's not like where you're talking bullshit. I thought a sickie could be like when you're actually sick, but you should only really use the term sickie is if it's you having a sickie to then go watch baseball.

Tommy: Well, yeah, a sickie is usually before that, you're— the word pulling a— Yeah, pulling a sickie.

Josh: Is that an Australian term? I don't know.

Tommy: Probably.

Josh: Talking about like the storage and the moving, the— I got a notification on Facebook yesterday and we're still a we're still a member of our apartment block Facebook group.

Tommy: And it even has one?

Josh: Yeah, so someone had like their cage broken into for whatever reason.

Tommy: So it's a vigilantes group.

Josh: Yeah, it's a little bit, yeah, people keeping an eye on shit. But it got me thinking about the, when you're sort of still in a world, you know what I mean? Like you sort of—

Tommy: Well, I know someone who got rid of their business and then still has access to the payment portal, not to take any money, but can see the cash flow of the business that he sold. And so it's like, ooh, how are they doing?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, super interesting. My version of that, I was thinking about, I'm like, you know what, I've, 'cause I was gonna go, oh, I don't need this anymore. And I went to sort of get out of the group. I'm like, maybe I'll stick around. Maybe I'll see like if the people who are taking over our apartment jump in and maybe they might take a photo of, you know, some wall that's in our apartment, I can have some sort of nostalgia.

Tommy: Might— you would never speak to him in the first place. This is my conundrum at the moment. Do I go and— because we've had some people move in above us, a few things. You can hear them pissing, so you hear at night like just water into a bowl, and it's right above our head.

Josh: And so what are you gonna do?

Tommy: No, it's nothing about going to say that, but I was like, should we just go and say hi? Because we have not seen them. Schedules are so different. But I was like, we've got a small block, should I go and say G'day.

Josh: Yeah, probably with your style of apartment. We actually—

Tommy: You got 150 others.

Josh: Yeah, there was a heap in ours, but the guy who was above us— Bree seems to make friends with everyone, and she made friends with the guy who was above us, and he invited us over. It was really interesting. The fascinating thing about apartment blocks is seeing how differently people furnish the exact same place.

Tommy: Yeah, true.

Josh: So, we have this really— And so, Bri was keen just to basically see what furniture he had. And we had real minimal shit. We just all like Povvo IKEA stuff, just nice, minimal, but nothing fancy.

Tommy: But it looked, it appeared fancy. Fancy on a budget, you'd say.

Josh: Fancy on a budget. We had like one nice coffee table, which Bri—

Tommy: It was minimal, I think.

Josh: Yeah, which Bri said was marble, but we discovered that it was a composite. It was sort of a mix of marble and plastic. Fake marble. Yeah, well, what it turns out, because Bree was really pedantic about, this is our first nice thing. Where did we get that from again? West Elm. So it's a nicer sort of furniture place.

Tommy: So this is a sort of rip-off furniture place.

Josh: So this was like our first adult, like, you know, good adult purchase. But Bree said to her dad, you know, be careful carrying this thing because it's marble. He says it's too light to be marble. And so you could actually see the line of like the very thin marble on the top and the rest is just plastic.

Tommy: So did I tell you about the guy who got his motorbike stolen from my apartment at POG? So he keeps his motorbikes, he's got two of them, had two of them, and they're just, you can basically, it's like a car park underneath our building but doesn't have like an entrance or anything, so it's open, anyone can see our cars. And anyway, one of them went missing and I knew this by a sign that he put up saying, did anyone hear anything? Or seen a thing on this date around this time. My motorbike was stolen. And I was like, oh, poor bastard. First of all, I think I talked about this. I thought he did an insurance job to start with.

Josh: No, anyway, man, we've done 100. It's true.

Tommy: I saw— I thought a lot of shit. I thought in my head he'd done an insurance job. Then I spoke to him. He told me, fuck, I didn't have any insurance on the bike. So the bike got stolen. And he said it's probably going to some farm because of the kind of bike that was. It was like a bit of a farm bike. Anyway, my neighbour knocked— my other neighbor, not the one who got his motorbike stolen.

Josh: You've never told this story, by the way.

Tommy: Knocked on my door last night, had a couple of beers in his hand, came in, we had a beer. Um, because you're wondering why I'm getting so friendly with my neighbors.

Josh: No, I'm wondering, did you find the bike frame? Why is he giving you beers?

Tommy: No, no, no, this is not that same. This is another neighbor. This is one— this is the one above.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Not the guy who had his motorbike stolen, but he came in anyway. We're talking, he's like, mate, did you hear about the guy who got his motorbike stolen? Do you hear what happened? I said no. He said, yeah, he was away last week interstate and got a call from the cops. The cops said, mate, we've found your motorbike. So where was it? It was across the road, down the little side street. There's like a dead-end street literally 30 metres from us. The motorbike had been sitting 30 metres from where it was stolen for nearly 3 months, and the cops had just located it.

Josh: I feel like we passed it.

Tommy: You probably did.

Josh: I think if we were to look back at the footage of me being a, uh, the dad for Bodhi in the YouTube thing, I wouldn't be surprised if— I feel like we walked past. Was it yellow?

Tommy: No, no, it was a white one. Anyway, so he said, oh, okay. To the cops, can you, can you get it? And they said, can you just pick it up when you get home? He said, no problem. Got back, stolen. Oh no, the poor guy had his motorbike stolen from this place that it was sitting.

Josh: You know what, you, you always talk about the, um, that house that's close to, uh, Rob Taylor's, the one down the, down the road that's got all the security cameras. I wonder, oh yeah, yeah, I wonder if they're pointing out that they could It's a good point. But I mean, how annoying is that?

Tommy: No insurance, they found it, it's gone.

Josh: That's a bit of a joke, isn't it?

Tommy: He at least has to walk the streets to see if it's been just wheeled around another corner. Yeah, maybe that's a tactic that they use. They wheel it, leave it for a couple of months, then wheel it to another section, leave it for a couple of months before they're in— before they steal it.

Josh: See, like Regional Victoria or whatever, man, the, the thing that I think about is just security cameras. I just, I love a security camera.

Tommy: What is it? What's the feeling it gives you?

Josh: Well, it just gives me a sense of security. Seriously, like, I love, like, if I had— I'm sure I've said this on the show before— if I owned a house, I would have a lot of sort of external security cameras. I'd have it all set up and you'd be able to go back a few months.

Tommy: And well, you're looking for— you're on the defence of criminals.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: The thing is, when you're in apartments, half the time you don't have to be thinking like this, but when you're on ground floor in a house—

Josh: I don't think I'd do ground— the ground floor makes me uncomfortable.

Tommy: You'd never live in a, like, a house? What about the house, the house sitting house that you're in? Yeah, it was quite grand, it was big. Yeah, you were in— that didn't have any cameras.

Josh: It was good that, yeah, I was definitely like, uh, this could do with some cameras. I was seriously being like, put one there, put one there, sort of set it all up.

Tommy: Well, I've got a mate One of my good friends, Brendan, he installs security systems.

Josh: Really? Well, actually, it's funny you mentioned it because remember we were actually talking yesterday about Midis.

Tommy: Midis? Oh, the electrical—

Josh: Yeah, they do CCTV stuff. And James, who sort of prides himself on this blokey bloke, being a blokey bloke.

Tommy: I don't know if he prides himself, he's just a big motherfucker and he looks like a gorilla.

Josh: His chest, why is his chest so big?

Tommy: I love it. Because he fucking bench presses. 150 kilos.

Josh: And so that— but how does that actually make it— I don't understand.

Tommy: Like, the muscle grows, bro.

Josh: Is that all muscle though?

Tommy: It's all—

Josh: it's this— the size. It's not— I'm not talking about like necessarily the muscle. It's like his chest, his whole rig is bigger.

Tommy: He's— he's a—

Josh: he looks like—

Tommy: he's a mesomorph.

Josh: I don't know what you're talking about. So it looks like Jimmy Neutron.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a real sort of the Hulk, Hulk vibes.

Josh: Yeah. 100%.

Tommy: But some— that's just his build. He's always been a solid unit.

Josh: Yeah, um, he looks like a quarterback. Yeah, I guess.

Tommy: But anyway, my point was he's not priding himself of being a blokey bloke.

Josh: Yeah, anyway, he looks like one. He was— so Mitty's is sort of this random shop, and he was talking about how he liked their branding, which is bright pink. Bright pink. He said it sort of, it sort of worked for that sort of shop.

Tommy: It is a good idea to go like you're thinking You're right, the bloke, there are blokey blokes, tradies and shit going in there getting their electrical supplies from a bright pink logo.

Josh: Yeah, it's great.

Tommy: It stands out.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And now we're talking about Midis.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: Can we get a sponsorship to deck out our office with CCTV? I don't know, anything's a possibility.

Josh: Well, to close the loop in regards to the—

Tommy: Whether or not you live at home?

Josh: No, in regards to the Small World stuff, you know, like the this idea that you sort of half keep your foot in one toe, like I'm doing with the Facebook group. I was thinking about it and I was like, where else have I done this? And I did it with school. For the last— when I finished school, I didn't just leave. I was like the one that was back, in the sense of I was teaching media. They would have, um, I would come in as a guest speaker and all that sort of thing. And I was thinking about you and your experience being someone who drops out of high school. You're still—

Tommy: I chose to leave, Josh.

Josh: Whatever you want to call it. You, uh, did you— were you a hanger-on around? Did you hang around or were you just out of there?

Tommy: Nah, I never got invited to the reunions.

Josh: I think that's hurtful.

Tommy: No, not really.

Josh: I didn't give a shit. Yeah, nah, I get that.

Tommy: But I think, yeah, it definitely was. I mean, my vibe was, I'm out. Holy shit, thank God. But, and I didn't want anything to do with it, but I went to the parties. That's what I did go to.

Josh: All the kids from all the private schools, they had some awesome parties, man. I, I went to heaps of parties in probably Year 7 and Year 8, but then as soon as sort of the out, like the real strong alcohol stuff, I just didn't go out of there.

Tommy: Well, that's where I pioneered and went hard.

Josh: Yeah, man, it's a pioneer, it's a strong word. Strong word. But the point on the school thing is I remember this one moment where I was, I sponsored an award for the awards night for the year 12s. So, Mediaflex, my business, I gave a cheque for $100 to the winner of the media awards. The funny thing was that my business was so small that there was a time when I gave him the check, I didn't have the money in the bank account.

Tommy: So, if he went and put it, cleared it, like a clear.

Josh: I was waiting for an invoice to be paid. So there was that worry that potentially—

Tommy: Oh no.

Josh: And I remember the other awkwardness of it was I was— they didn't tell me how long to speak for. I was speaking before, so I was—

Tommy: That's probably the worst thing to do with Josh.

Josh: Yeah, so they said, hey, we want you to do sort of a— you to be the former student to come in and talk about, you know, what your life's been like. And I just did this sort of motivational speech, which I think was meant to go for like 10 minutes. And they'd had no timer, no one telling me, and I said, "Hey, how long did I talk for?" They said, "45." I spoke for 45, and I knew that I'd gone too far. I had a keynote presentation, and there was a point where I had a photo of me on an elephant from a photo, like a holiday that I just went to Thailand, and I was like, "Guys." That was me. This could be you. Like, you know, dream big, you know, enjoy the next year, and maybe you might be doing something that's a little bit questionable, in some sort of southeast country.

Tommy: Just quickly, do you look back on that and think that everyone there was thinking, this kid's a bit special?

Josh: I knew that it was a case because there was one lady who was a little bit tweaked. She was lovely, but sort of definitely, she was on my level in regards to vibe. And she came over, she goes, that was great, that was so inspiring.

Tommy: She's an enabler, that's what we call her.

Josh: But you know that it was sort of Everyone else was a little bit like, they just wanted, it was worse enough to watch all these kids get these awards, but then they had this kid who was me, who was just probably 19 years old.

Tommy: It's the former life of Josh. Man, far out, I wish this was a reality TV show. Hey, thanks for everyone who's been sending some emails.

Josh: Yeah, Wen followed up with a bunch of great stuff.

Tommy: I missed that one.

Josh: Yeah, it's, you were just happy, 'cause this is the thing, we share the inbox, we need to sort that out.

Tommy: Karina.

Josh: Yeah, thank you.

Tommy: She gave some awesome perspective on sort of being out and about as a woman and how she feels. Yeah, on that in the community.

Josh: And I think that, you know, as she mentions all of this stuff, it's definitely— I have noticed that my radar in regards to these things, I feel like what she's talking about, I'm starting to think more about these types of things. So when Breeze going out walking and all that sort of thing, I'm definitely like more cautious and trying to be accommodating and trying to make sure and thinking about safety in a bigger way than I think what I was.

Tommy: 100%. Matty Moulton, he sent through one. He's got a friend that he wants on the show. I watched the video.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I cried.

Josh: Really? Is it sad? Well, 'cause I saw it.

Tommy: It's not sad. So just quickly, his mate has Tourette's And Channel 7 did this storey on these 3 guys who have Tourette's, and it was just fucking sweet. I just, I can't— I'm a big softie now that I've had Bodhi. Yeah, but I just, I was just thinking, I was just putting myself in a father's shoes. I cried when the dad was crying just about whether, whether if he could do anything, what would he, you know, turn it off. And anyway, it's— but it's a happy story. It's not like they're wanting to, you know, look at these people with, oh, we've got this problem and we want you to feel sorry for us. It's like, no, these are people with Tourette's who are owning their life, owning their existence. And Maddie's friend was one of the guys on there, and we definitely want to get him on as a guest at some point. He's full of energy. Yeah, he looks like an absolute legend, James.

Josh: And yeah, that sounds like— I'm— the guest stuff is really exciting me. Like, we've been doing— so, uh, with me going away next week, we're going to be doing 4 shows a week that are just like this. Tommy and I chatting. I'll be remote, but it will just sound like this. There won't be any sort of change, hopefully. And, but then every Friday there will be a guest episode. And because guest, you know, you've done radio, you know what it's like with trying to do guests remotely. It's especially when the two hosts, the two hosts being separately. It was okay when we did it with Trevor Long because he's a pro and where we were in the shell because we had ISD. Oh yeah. And so that, that worked, that worked well. But no, so we've been frantically over the last week trying to record chats, and 'cause we don't normally prerecord the show, but we just want to have different guests, and we've had some epic people on so far.

Tommy: Yeah, it's really exciting.

Josh: So we've got on Friday, I can tease that we've got Jeff Jowett. You might not know the name, but you'll definitely know the voice.

Tommy: Or you know his old protein cookies, Body Trim.

Josh: Yeah, and he was big into the morning TV and sort of the, the mid-2000s.

Tommy: Infomercials.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: We didn't even talk to him about this, but he had his own studio at his office that just pumped out infomercials.

Josh: Well, he's got a pretty amazing story. Dude who had a company, were doing over $30 million a year in revenue, and he got kicked out, lost it all.

Tommy: Lost it all.

Josh: Sex addiction, drug addiction, bit of alcoholism there too. Crazy.

Tommy: And a lovely guy, very much the full U-turn.

Josh: Yeah, and so we've got him on Friday, But yeah, feel free to send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, especially I haven't received a single email yet in regards to where you're listening, because yesterday I said if you're listening on a plane—

Tommy: It's been one day.

Josh: Huh?

Tommy: It's been one day.

Josh: I know it's been one day, but if you've— that was sort of a dumb idea, but can I—

Tommy: No, no, Josh wants you to email us where you are right now. Are you looking out the window of a train on the way home?

Josh: I specifically said do it if you are on a plane and you're looking down On your hometown.

Tommy: I really— Okay, I'm switching it out now.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Are you on a train?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Heading home?

Josh: No, no, no. I think we'd— If you're with your phone right now and you can send us an email, if you've got Apple Mail, if you've— here we go. If you've got an iPhone, if you've got Apple Mail, send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Just say hello. And you know what? From now on, if you want a sticker, 'cause I'm gonna have the stickers really soon.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: Put in your postal address and we'll send you a sticker or something. So, it's a daily talk show. hi@thedailytalkshow.com is the email address. And thank you to everyone who has been reviewing us on iTunes. There's been some new ones that have come through.

Tommy: Ooh la la!

Josh: People asking about the squeegee story. But you'll have to just go back and find it. But it's the Daily Talk Show. Have a good one.