#102 – Working smarter, not harder/
- June 6, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Wednesday June 6 (Ep 102) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
It’s been feeling like groundhog day for Tommy. Is routine good or mind numbingly boring? On this episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss the importance of how we look at time.
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket Episode 102 What up yeah still getting used to having an intro
good it's it we've had a couple of Back to Back Back to Back interviews guests here so it's nice just to be in the just in the state with you buddy yeah
in the same seat we when we say we say episodes on our own I sit down then Tommy sits on my lap and we swap halfway through
here a little bit of movement yeah
that's what it is I'm actually saw my
buttons really saw why
I was just laughing at the connection between I gotta can mention yet from the gym. You went to the gym. Well done. Yeah, there this morning. And I saw the this guy who he's just puts a smile on my face every time I go to the gym. And it's he he doesn't even try and at the gym. But this dude has the strictest routine you've ever seen what so he doesn't go to the gym, you swear I'm at the gym. And he has a retain the cleaner correct. He's the cleaner of the the building that the gym is in. So I go to fitness. First in in sub code. Richmond. And Rhonda can bombard you out the front. Yeah, you never know. Mixing the gym. Wait, guys, usually I'm there. And he cleans the building, which is like where a big furniture shop is. He doesn't actually clean the gym itself. But he cleans the rest of the building that joins to and I found out this morning that he he's been going he's been cleaning the building for over 20 years. And every morning he parked in this spot Drake up front of the gym, he opens up his boot. And in these boot, he has white bread and he makes a sandwich. And so every time I walk past him, he just says hello to me. As before I go this direction, you've become part of his routine. Hundred percent. I say hey, make me a quick exchange. And then I go up into the gym. So he he finishes the sandwich. And then he comes out in the sandwich. It just took it literally look like a ham and cheese sandwich for something white bread. Man. There's something really therapeutic about this idea isn't then. So then he goes up into the gym to use the toilet. He grabs a paper on the way that your fucking phone again, grabs a paper on the way to the toilet. And we thought maybe it was like he's definitely sitting down reading the paper. But he doesn't. He spends like his internet back down to the boot of his car before he after because I gave him away at the gym. So he gets a free one. But I was just thinking to myself about routine. It was funny. I was thinking about routine before I saw this dude this morning. And it's because I feel like I'm in a real like I'm in a routine because I have to drop body off to daycare. I have to pick him up after decades. And so it's a real structure around what I need to do the start and the end of the day. And I've always tried to I've always tried to limit routine in my life. Yeah, and I've worked at I actually don't like that. I don't like the feeling of real set routine with Groundhog Day. I feel
yeah, I feel sometimes I can be in a bit of Groundhog Day at the moment with picking taking body to daycare and picking him up and he wrote himself yet. So you Susie, Dr. Matt. He's off. But what do you What's your feelings around routine? Because I know you're a bit of a I love my coffee in the morning. Yeah,
I think I I'm starting to appreciate routine. Yeah, I think having traveled a little bit and done sort of longer term travel. I've realized how exciting routine can be one of my favorite books is daily rituals
affect your rituals. He's the problem with the rituals and talking about him like this yet so angry. No, I honestly think it's because it does it half the time you're talking about what you want your routine to be. But your routine isn't there. So I mean, like, we're now having the cut, like so
that if you've listened to daily rituals, the audio book, it's just people talking about, like pretty mundane things. So it's not like meditation. Like sometimes it could be that but it's like literally waking up in the morning, having a coffee going for a walk. I don't think I can't remember who it was. But there's a lot of pushback on these routines. Because no one are rituals because no one talks about the fact that they take a dump in the morning. You know what I mean? Like, that is sort of a
no, no one. None of these audio books or podcasts where people is only about 40, he takes
followed by a shower. He was the inventor of the shit shave and shower.
No, no, but you know what I mean, when I when I say what, when you talking around rituals, it's always about what you want to do. Whereas people aren't really just talking about what
we're saying, this is a ritual I think ritual for me is something that can be celebrated a routine can be a bit like sort of just doing the the same thing, Diane, Diane, I think it's very similar. I think that a ritual just allows you as a little bit of buddy pay a rah rah to it to every day,
but it was a bit of structure read this, we need to do this a ritual is something you've held up to go, we this is
a really still a routine, but maybe it's going to hire meaning to Yeah, so what so so Are you frustrated in the fact that you've got a routine?
Not really, but it's the first time I've started thinking that I'm closer to having this really this really rooting meaning I can't veer off it and not take every day, you would have had a routine like I remember when we went up to ship it in to celebrate, celebrate Episode 50 and
I I saw a bit of nostalgia where you were out of the car park and you're walking along you like I yeah, you could hear Adam farm animals here. And I'll be early in the morning. And I'd walk I could imagine that there's a routine that's associated that would have been associated to that
a little bit. But I've always I mean, that working and breakfast radio, you can get out pretty quickly. So I might have had a meeting after the show you do you three hours short? That's a sort of solid work. Yeah, for the morning until you down. And then I could go off go to the gym. I could come back to work. Yeah. And I've always had curries. And being my own boss, where I can have a lot of flexibility around what I'm doing what time I finished. And I know when I've been in the routine of the what, nine to five job. Oh, I would job that makes you It gives you that time constraints. I felt more like oh, but maybe I've got an aversion to the feeling of a routine real strict routine. I think. I think flexibility is so overrated. I think that the
there is something in having these things set in stone, I'm gonna be here at this certain time, so that you just don't have any other option you it's the Paradox of Choice. You know, having more choice doesn't make life easier. having lots of films on Netflix just means that we spend more time flicking through trying to work out what to watch on Netflix. Whereas if you know there's this
streaming service called movie em, you be shy Italy, get it? It's on the front.
It's not like a Netflix box that you can Netflix isn't a box now a bit like say, you can get it on, you can get stand, you can get Netflix exactly what's on
TV or anything. And they release I think it says internet
Get someone on here can tell us about that. But no, it's a it's like more premium film. So it's like ones that you'd say film festivals. But I think only one new film comes out of day. And so the thing is that it becomes really easy to say, Okay, this is what I'm going to watch because they've curated it at a high enough level that you don't, you're not paralyzed by the amount of choice. And so I think that for me, I have been seeking flexibility. But I think that there's these core rituals or routines that I really love. And I want to continue to do and it's in that space. It's like, we're talking about recording podcast, and things like that. And I'm starting to become more pedantic on when I'm doing stuff. So not trying not to mix things. So I'm saying, Okay, if what I'm finding at the moment, and it's my own doing is it's like I've got so much work on but I know that I can get it all done before I go away, but we may how sitting and stuff like that it sort of screwed up my routine a bit to the point where I'd be like editor at night, so I would like stuff around during the day, which is why I used to do when I was young stuff around during the day and then have a crunch at the end. I don't think that that's an I think that if I had the limitation of you can't work at night. Yeah,
all of a sudden you just do the work during the day. I think the groundhog day stuff is scary in my mind thinking of like we left the house this morning when it was dark and I'm not unhappy with my last at all.
But we left when was doc we'll get home when it's dark and it's this feeling right and I was thinking mentioned living in London yeah I had
I had a dog
you know in the gets lot of non gets dark at three well that was the I think the that was the biggest struggle I had working in radio I was on the drive show with faith angels doing their digital content and they you know, would be on from four till six so that was sort of like the core time so it was sort of you were doing like an E afternoon slash evening but the thing is the first meeting was a production meeting at 10am so then you would for me when I was living out in the burbs to be able to get in tonight and it worked out better for me to leave home at 645 get staffed. So I would get get up at 645 be out the door by like, quarter past seven driving to work getting there by 845, like nine o'clock. And then to work until, um, you know, I have the four to six show and then edit from like, six until 10 and then drive home and not be home until 11. And so I was doing I was doing that for 12 months to over 12 hour day. Yeah. And so I've gotten so soft, I think in some regards. But I think creating those routine you just I would do it and I get myself to be able to have that sort of not work ethic, but just
willingness to do that. I need to remind myself that I am working for myself and I need to sometimes create those sort of limit limitations and limitations.
I wanted to show you something that's on so we're in our office, my office right now. Yeah, and Riley works out of here. No, I got construction going on as well. It doesn't have any here but Riley has a bag and there's a there's a thing hanging off a bag. Rollie Can you come up here.
This is kind of improv this. This is I just saw this the other day. So Riley Riley is a budding film young filmmaker. And there's this
there's this thing hanging off a bag don't tell us what it is. But just describe what it looks like.
It's what and sort of round fits in the palm of your hand. That looks like some sort of pod direction Yeah, I like that. Josh I know
what it is. Yeah, I need and I was fascinated by this when I saw it because I see what the facts that what do you think it is? Looks like a panic button have a look at it as a play. Okay, so it's Yeah, it's it's what it looks like something that you would see on our you know what, what I reckon what it could be is maybe like a real a storage device for something that's really small so maybe some like you can put some nuts in there something I don't know it's definitely not your first I was thinking like, Is it like a panic either like a panic button or a way of finding your bag if you lose it? So
where did you buy this online through Facebook? So she sure a Facebook ad
showed your Josh what it does soccer.
What did you decide? side again? I She said she's a soccer. She's a second
second. I just thought she just had motherfucker.
Because it was you off Mike. Uh, yeah. So your socket. Let's go show Josh. What it does. is
again, Riley's holding it. Yeah,
you don't press the button. Like a fake button here. It's like, pull it. Yeah,
it's a panic. It's like a I wouldn't want to say to rape whistle blow. Yeah.
And I would call it Yeah. So I say what the folks actually said, right? whistle I say What does that even mean? And so it's this thing. You just attached to the bag
so loud, isn't it? What a great idea. He's an awesome idea. D but it makes me sad as well. That we need fucking right with. Well, I
first question I said was Have you had to use it and use it? Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess. Yeah, I
guess that's the thing. And I mean, it's got many more uses of like, just gives you that level of protection that if someone's like, yeah, it's, it's sort of annoyed. It's, I'm sorry that you have to have a fucking ripe with all like, that's pretty outrageous. But at the same time, I do like security. So I like I'm on board. Yeah, I read
these statistics somewhere. I don't know where. So don't quote me on them. But like, if someone screaming for help, people are less likely to run and help you. Whereas if they sort of hear an alarm or something like that, where they're like, it might be a car alarm, then they're more likely to come and say what it is. Yeah. And also, just like the fact that like you from just looking at it, you don't know what it is. So if someone did attack you, they wouldn't really be able to know how to turn it off quickly. Then we'll actually just, like, freak out and run off if he's that he's really good.
It is a really big city box. And the Yeah, it does have that vibe that it looks like could be Tammy gushy it could be a it's a GPS type thing. But also it does look like he could fit like a few almonds in there. It's like uh, but yeah, it's, it's interesting. I remember simile it is a fashion accessory he said yeah you don't have to put it to use yeah but I
was fascinated by that I thought fuck us do too good you picked it first guess it looks like some sort of panic button yeah
it's good advice but the interesting thing on the on the stuff around people not reacting to like help when I was a kid I was told I think I've said this in a previous episode you yell fire is people are more likely to get out of a building the more they're more likely to turn around and help a fire then if you're being attacked
so if you're getting physically attacked yo fire views isn't it I think the dude attacking or the gill attacking you would be fucking confused yeah
i mean that's part of my strategy on if I'm ever attacked is out crazy the crazy yeah to fly like I've never I get real jumpy if it's past nine o'clock and I'm in Collingwood walking anyone that wants to jump
in and say to them this is videos online of a guy going up to these big people and picking a fight with them and then they're like all right let's go and he takes his pants off Casey's top off and he's pants off so he's got a G string on and they they run us as class at this sounds like classic Tommy jacket good from like 2000 and I like to it was from a Riley Riley but yeah, that was. So there's a couple of things that I was interested in that thing is that these people who come up with these ideas to come up with these little marketing campaigns around products that then push them out on social media. Social media. Yeah, there's someone is probably made underground end of selling these little law more than 100 grand pumping ads at Yeah, it was it was remember my idea for the whiteboard was no no. For workplaces. Yeah, because when you as you know, you've worked in to quite large workplaces. Three. If you can't move fiber, you might as well throw a stamp that's a generic goodbye to put in my that was already taken though. Is this the is this what you're gonna generic response for people who are leaving the company. You know how there's always like, some card going around the office. Hey, guys. Can you sign it for 10 el she's leaving. That was on fact Jerry know what a stamp saying? Thanks. It's been great. Tommy. Yeah,
it's been done. Dammit. It's a bit annoying isn't a it's a good idea. I might be one of those. Um, yeah, I mean, that that's the I was listening something to yesterday around
ideas and how ideas come about. Maybe it was even Jeff was Jason Fox talking about it. We've had a lot of conversations
the last few days.
I am exhausted from just talking just Well, I think probably because I made the mistake of not eating today.
And I just but it's 4:45pm. Now. I decided to have something small because while being doing is not eating all day, then getting so hungry at like three eating. And then Bray saying hey, what do you want to have for dinner. And then I just end up sitting in my eyes doing that
So imagine you just linking but when you blink one I forget to open and so it's lagged. So when I stays closed, and then opens very slowly as I go to sleep thing, it's like a bit stuck.
I reckon it's it's on the bane of the last few weeks that I've worked out that how important sleep is. And this is I know this is rich because you've got a kid and you got all that sort of thing. But man,
what do you say commending anyone that's got a kid
just five hours of sleep? Yeah, I'm, I feel horrendous. Yeah,
I know. To me, there's, you know, the entrepreneurs like Gary Vee I saw a post of his last night and he's walking around his office he's like here's what they don't tell you 11pm still in the office look around now and to go to get it done you know he's just preaching that work and you know the funny thing is
our days given that like apparently no one's telling us he's done a lot of videos
so here is definitely this move and on that ritual staff and routines there is a moon towards work life balance
well the same die I'll sleep when I die is dumb. And so I was listening to a sleep doctor talk and he says that statement is a load of shit because in reality the less sleep you get yeah the closer you are getting to dying they saying the statistics around how much
sleep contributes to your body repairing therefore, you living a longer life. Where is
I'll sleep when I die? Well, you're gonna die pretty soon. It's like, it's you have a healing you lack of sleep is killing you is what this guy said. Yeah,
and I think that's definitely sleep is so important. Jason frayed, who wrote the book rework, he has a successful company called base camp, which is a project management tool that companies use. Yeah, so you can upload assets into it. It's a way of like interfacing with clients or collaborators, things like that. But his book rework was all about saying no to meetings, all of this stuff, some of the things that Dr. Jason Fox talked about yesterday around things like a mail and expectations but he's got a book coming out in October called it doesn't have to be crazy at work which is all about this stuff which is around that you don't like this
he's got to be the hardcover says, ADL wakes. fully packed schedule, super busy and less meetings. Overnight is Sunday afternoon. A mouse on unrealistic deadlines. He's just got to be crossroad.
Because I think that there's
and it's been, do you think these guys who are writing and this is maybe being cynical, do you think these guys writing this stuff, and all of these people having these revelations around how to approach work, have worked their ass off and earn their place. And now reflecting on success they've accumulated, which that's why he's like, Oh, you know, we were discussing and I, I love it when I know what you've been reading. Because it's almost what you how you talk to me, because he
was the things I've been thinking. I think that is, I have a thought. And then I'm like, I, what most people do, they, they then pull from where they're having this sort of stuff.
I mean, telling someone what you rating, like, almost verbatim helps you digest. And really, it's like teaching someone else. Something else. You learn about
this stuff, like, Yeah, what were you gonna say?
I was gonna say, it's nice to know, because it was like when we're talking about recording on a Saturday doing some podcasts for when you go on. Yeah, and you give me push back. Yeah, it makes sense, though. And I get it because they are easily in mind that this
Jason frayed rework I read, like seven years ago. So it's, I think that it's cyclical, right, you see, and I think that what's happened is, it's like, I've gone through these cycles, and I'm saying now I'm like, I'm, you know what, I think that one of the default I see this default setting, which is hard work, hustling, all that sort of thing. Yeah. And it's pushing, it's pushing back on that and there's lots of different you know, deep work is another book that talks all talks a lot about this stuff. Essential ism is another one we've spoken about on the podcast, you know,
the importance of actually, you know, having a system to be able to prioritize and not just say yes
to everything I totally agree. I mean, and sometimes it's just hard to actually put it in place for instance, when I had my personal training business I didn't work Friday nights and I didn't work Saturdays or Sundays but I was like I I purposely didn't I and I managed to and some days I'd be like okay absolutely hammered I'm not probably not working. Wednesday's My point being, you block out some times and all of your work ends up pushing towards the times that you have available. And it was a real, it was an appointment based business. Yeah. And, but if if you look at that, for something like what we do, if we just blocked out times, I think it
will work I think like Parkinson's Law says that we will fill up the time that we allocate to something. And so and I've seen it so many times, like I will before I so for people who don't know who have just started listening over the last few episodes. Hey, hi. First of all, thanks for listening to the daily talk show. But I I'm heading to Europe for three months with my girlfriend Bray at the end of June. Yeah,
and Josh is a trust fund baby. he's a
he's worked his ass off refuse the just enter production. The Yeah, so we're, we're going away. And so I've got to finish all these jobs off. So I've sort of got a clean slate while I'm away. And I can already see it's so funny how I'll be working up until, like, probably a week before, but I've timed it out. Like I've just naturally not even intentionally done that. And so I think that it's the same with some of these things where it's like, rather than I think that if people are pushing back and saying now that doesn't, that's not how you, you know, so I how you win at life. And what's your thing? I think it's about what are you prioritizing? Yeah. And so for me, I think about weekends. And I'm like, Okay, well, it's about like, if we take deep work as an example. So it's like having allocated times where you're focusing on specific goals or tasks versus trying to multitask and contest switch constantly, it means that you can give more quality time to the things that are important. Yeah,
I was just thinking for entrepreneurs out there, a lot of them are,
it depends. So for instance, if we see ourselves as entrepreneurs, we have this skill set that when we put in putting it into practices actually feel mean something actually editing something. and everything in between is like running the business. And so entrepreneurs that are working 16 hours a day,
if they if they are not a chef within the business, not that, you know, they're an entrepreneur in the food space, they're not going to be spending 16 hours a day cooking. So it's like, there is a lot of time in between. Yeah, you know, like, I think that the reason I probably been thinking about a lot is, look at the last two guests that we've had on two people that we respect, Dr. Jason Fox, hi, Michelle, like, and what are the like, they're not talking about how much money they're making, they're talking about what they're doing with their time, and the currency of time. And at the end of the day, that's all we have. And
the reality is that when,
you know, I've had friends who have had decent amount of success, and they say, the thing is, Josh, when you get to 15 million dollars, you want $25 million, $30 million, this this, if that is the metric that you're using, to see value within your life, it's going to constantly keep switching. But the thing that we all have is time. And so for me, I still have the ambition to be financially well off and being able to do those things. But at first, I want to I have this time economy, you know, if we think about, we've got time for me, it's like, if I use those Foundation, you know, this sort of foundational time to make sure that I'm allocating the right amount of time. So things that means that when I started having varying levels of success, or things end up happening, I default to I'm going to make time for brain I on it. Like, these are the structures that's already created, huh? Yeah,
I get it. I mean, it can just go out the window. The economy
Well, I think that's a, the I heard a someone talk about, I can't remember which what book it was. But they were talking about the, the ID of habits. And what they're saying is, when we're stressed people assume that we go to bat they talk about bad habits. So they say when you're hyper stress so you have they were using a study with teenagers who were doing exams and so there's this theory that if you're stressed, then you go towards these bad habits, you know, you start like eating poorly and all that sort of thing. But what these studies were saying was that we actually just go to these default foundational habits these things that are like inbred into how we do it. So for instance, young people who grew up who built structure and a habit around eating healthy snacks when they're stressed actually would fall back to eating healthy snacks and people who would eat a whole chocolate cake okay JJ would ate a whole cake and so that's I think that that the the idea of habit formation and rituals isn't for right now it's for when everyone's asking for your time It's that thing of the person with the plan will win if you don't have a plan if you don't have a shed you'll someone else is going to set the schedule for you so might as well get in there first and say these are the things that are important and then it's easier for you to say yes or no if you know that every every Tuesday between 7am and I am you're getting coffee with your partner or whatever it is it was just like it will become an expectation and it will be built in and you'll you'll build upon that
there there isn't too many entrepreneurs that are do scale that might six hours a day that's all I worked and I did it Yeah. Well because it's not as flashy is Gary vay. It's the struggle now part of the narrative, that sort of grinding This is actually hard. This is how hard we work? Well,
I think the problem is that everything is a paradox as well. So it's like, I think people take that and take the wrong parts of it. But I feel like I want to it's like, cliche of working smarter rather than harder. And I think that there is like, these things that we can do. Like, I know that when I multitask, I take away longer doing things. So what about actually blocking out these times and working smarter that way? Well, we've got some stuff happening. Yeah,
together in the future in the business space, I think they, and no point in talking about it now. But I think that we should test out some rules. Yeah, some of the like, make them because if, if I've got you saying that, you know, allowed to do that we're not allowed to work these days,
I think it's about it's about coming across, like using whatever you want to call it, filters that like, these are the things that are important to us. So if family is the number one priority, then it becomes easier to say, Okay, well, if the it's it's aligning our intentions, our values, what's important with us with our actions and constantly cross checking. And yeah, and that's even when it comes to decisions around the types of work. I think that there is this we romanticize doing shit work. It's almost like we need to be in pain to to be rewarded. And I would like to challenge this idea and say, Okay, well, what happens if you do the stuff that you wanted? I think there's a lot of people who are doing the jobs that they don't want to do right now. Because they think they've told themselves a story that the only way they're going to make the money or be successful is to do the shift work. And I think that that's always true. Yeah,
I agree. And then when you see the person doing what they
want to do, everyone's like, Oh, shit. That's how I think that's the hardest bit I think the the, the hardest beat ease I think, is a shit ton of ways to make money.
But there, it's that whole quote, you have the same amount of time that Beyonce has, that's the thing it's like, time is is not the booty and I can't dance like her. It's true. But yeah, I think so. I think that that's a important thing to be thinking about. Which is like an that I have moments where I just see people who might not have a super Luxe life simple, but they're using their time they like an eye
it's also someone having accountability, you know, if you're doing it with somebody, like I think that's the power of you and i doing this stuff is like having someone that you've talked about this stuff with? Yeah, even just vocalizing like, if you've not spoken about these kind of things, with anybody talking about them with somebody. And it's a friction point to right. So I think that the difficult T is is,
you know, when you're working on your own, it's an internal struggle. It's a conversation that you have to have with yourself. And I think that it's very hard to look at it objectively, when it's all happening internally, when you say it across the table to someone, you're seeing the word of the ads that you see other things, the words you know, come across. And so you can, you can analyze them better. And you can sort of see, like, my favorite thing to ask at the moment is like, what am I blind spots? If you have
said that, I know because I behind you, you can't say that it's true, say, take my glasses off. He's wearing one of those helmets, it has a little mirror coming
off the helmet so you can see behind it. I really believe that like, the most empowering thing we can do is asking people like, what are my blind spots? Like, where can I improve, because I really like if we accept the fact that we do have some blind spots, then it allows us to improve and it also puts people in a position where they can tell us things that, you know, they, they feel comfortable in saying those things. And it's coming from a place where it's like, tell me not tell me why I'm wrong. But just like realizing that like, maybe I'm missing a part of this, this puzzle. But yeah, it's, it's interesting. I think that it's about putting the values into place, and then just filter every single time you're doing it. I think that so many times we do these things as a default we say yes to a job, not because it's aligned with our vision, but because we think it's the only way that we can make money yeah, survive. I wonder if they dude who's at the gym making these Sambo from one to white bread at the back of his car. Very, really happy.
I hope he is. He seems like such a happy guy, are you Hey, it's probably all the cleaning chemicals. And the sugar from the watch said, but he's lovely. I hope he's happy. I mean, it's super easy for me to look at him. And I think it's a bit sad, because it's not my world. And I, you
know, it's like, well, everyone hat, but this is the, the, all this stuff that like we're talking to Jason about yesterday. It's like, it's a bit of a mind. Fuck, because you. Um, yeah, you realize that we all have different realities. Yeah. And there's lots of different truths and lots of things. So that guy could be that it's, it's like that classic case of like, third world kids being so happy. Yeah. Like,
the kid in Brighton is like so discontent and so unhappy because the PlayStation is not worth the a good thing for me that I've had sort of looking at that and me looking at some guy like the dude who I bump into and thinking
it's a bit scary. It's not sad. He's he seemed happy any probably us happy. What I'm saying is, I would be sad in that routine. Because I know I don't like rotate. And it's like you're looking at anyone else's success can be hard on you. And you think Oh, look at that guy succeeding is going all that money or whatever, but probably his life wouldn't suit because it's not you.
Well, there's a level of comparison, which I think is probably not great. But it's also it's allowing yourself not to be judgmental of others. Yes. Which allows you to maybe give yourself a break and realizing that
these what these things that we've set up in society that what success looks like that successes, you know, success is doing the thing that you want to do. Yeah, and being happy and using the time in the way that you think and and like yet, not everyone can be do like be doing having a creative business and doing you know, the stuff that we do and like, that's fine, we're no better like there's people there's sporting stars there's Hollywood there's so many different varying levels of success I feel super lucky because I'm just doing the shit that I want to do that I love doing but it's always that double checking on just asking yourself is is this one I want to do? And I think having that filter is a good way of saying okay these are the things I can left column these are the things are important to me and these are my actions and making sure that they actually are aligned lineup just bring you back to the routine of going to forget my son. It's five o'clock. I've got to
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