- May 3, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Thursday May 3 (Ep 78) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Josh’s oldest brother, James, lives in North Carolina, USA. He moved there after receiving a scholarship to study Exercise Science (or something like that) at Wake Forest University, ended up getting married to an America and is now an assistant coach for a college Women’s basketball team. He’s visiting Melbourne, so we thought we’d get him on The Daily Talk Show!
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talk show I'm Josh Johnson Tell me Is this what we're doing now? Yeah
we spoke this morning about do we say our ninth I'm told me jacket
the why you've said it sounds
we're up to Episode 78 we've got a special guest yeah
firstly I'd like to say Have you listened to our show I have okay so you know what to expect I'm a dog with two dicks and Josh leaves in the past fact no please welcome Josh Jetsons brother How are you pretty good.
Thanks James Jansen all the way from North Carolina
yep so it first time this is actually taught jack I'm Josh said. We have my brother on the podcast. We've already had him on. Well, you mean Jake? What? We didn't even have Jay con.
He was kind of on a he was on the Krispy Kreme that's why
I risk Krispy Kreme. And then I have even knew existed because George doesn't talk about you. Because you live overseas. Yeah, yeah.
So I've been over there almost six years now. So when you got a brother like Josh, you your only option is to to kind of escape the country
gags Kevin from the Jansen bloodline
appreciate his accent. Is that intent? Or what
was going to ask you like six years? Yeah, if leave their six, almost six. At what point did you start saying tomato. So I don't say tomato. I still say tomato.
It's just yeah, it's turned into this. this terrible hybrid thing probably happened maybe two years. And that it turned into to this kind of hybrid deal. I guess that's what happens when you don't interact with Australians too often. So kind of hopeful that it will. It'll mellow down a little bit this next three weeks. So So while I'm here, now you did I cop it because my
cousin lives in London and has this Yeah, it's like a butchered Australian accent. That's terrible. I like it. It's just coming in and out. Like you. So hearing the Aussie accent plan this integration work do you think you need to? Do you think you do it? Is it unconscious? This development of it? Or do you actually do it to blend in
I think it's completely unconscious and like the approach but it may be in like some ways to blend in like this certain words. You would say like, just in day to day life that you end up saying the way that they want you to say it and it's not a conscious thing. Like I'm gonna say, like water now and like this and that, but that's Yeah, I think that's probably not it's completely unconscious. There was no nothing deliberate about that at all. So
James, how did you end up in North Carolina?
And so I ended up going across originally for graduate school. So I was a first time Joshua
Joshua, just know this graduate school leads like, is that the final you know, so. So basically, I was a I did my kind of bachelor's, undergraduate next science here in Australia. And then sport spent about four years
teaching and helping with some research at Deakin University, while that was kind of playing coaching basketball
decided that was kind of a lot going on. And so ended up wanting to kind of do something a bit different. So ended up getting into the kind of a master's program graduate program at Wake Forest University in the US and North Carolina. And that's kind of what got me across there. So,
so I've been to Wake Forest fucking intense. It's got like, cool. Yeah, it's super. It's like a wealthy like, What? How do you describe at James on the spectrum of unis? It's a private institution. It's like a private one. Yeah, so
it's a it's a private, private university,
kind of in the in the south of the US on the smaller side. So we're talking only about 5000 students or so there's been a bunch been in a bunch of movies,
it's just your church. It's your Yeah, classic Southern private university. You go to draw, maybe. I mean, I might not. So there was a famous movie called Brian song, which was a sporting, sporting movie out of there. There's been some stuff more recent think it was the matrix
movie on episode is the, I think, is it. Nicholas Sparks has like a series of movies. Yeah, I was really how you decide Drake's latest film now. So they, they basically used it I guess that's like a teeny bopper
type setup. Yeah. So you put these like,
last time I was in I went to Wake Forest, like, visited last time. I went and saw James and they had like an indoor NFL. Is that right? Am I saying this? Right? Yeah,
so the football program just built an indoor facility, which is pretty nice. We get we get kind of stormy weather through through kind of the late kind of fall
when they wanting to practice. So they built an indoor facility. So it's all going 120 yard long indoor practice facility with millions of millions of dollars. I spent so much money like college games of NFL What is it What's it football they just call it Yeah,
I get like some get 100,000 it'll to a game. So yeah.
What is the reality of college sports to give people a context because I know it's ridiculous. But it how ridiculous is that where, you know, what's what's sort of the
thing it's like, you can't really make a good comparison
within an Australian context of what college sports is all about. Because it's just it's so unique from the perspective of the ages of these these student athletes. Like these guys are 18 to 22 years old. That's when they rookies are not playing in the in the NFL.
And you're talking big, big stakes. So at a Wake Forest, for example,
kind of playing at the premium level of things.
Football crowds going to be somewhere around 30 to 35,000 the home setup but don't play some teams on the road. That is a good guy via fail. Yeah, CJ on a Sunday. Like the national like Australia's national sport.
fucking crazy. Yeah. And then you're talking some of the road games. They play some of the biggest schools they play at a Notre Dame, they play at Florida State, Clemson, who have kind of been really good recently that upwards of 80,000 and then Wake Forest at basketball
stadium is pretty much all that's where I was to graduate school capacity was pretty much the equivalent of Rod Laver arena.
And so we're a small 4000 students school and you're sitting there with a Rod Laver arena you know backyard
I mean we should have just saved yesterday's discussion about moving overseas yeah today and yesterday we talked about you know moving overseas and will we ever do it what's like Josh is quite well traveled for free guy lives in the burbs and I think that a lot of people that leave it that way you grew up traveling like you have, and definitely not moving to Carolina. Where is it? North Carolina? Carolina. So what's the what's the real feeling of moving overseas? Yeah,
I think it's, it's different. A lot of way. Like, I like the approach that I did it in terms of it's, it's not like I'm living in a city. It's not like I'm in most with all of these other people that are also traveling or, or not, from around there. So I like that approach that I'm really kind of immersed in the the southern US North Carolina culture is your phone novelty. It's not like an Australian going to London, where you can go into your little pocket. And there's all Australians everywhere. Like, you can't escape Australians in London. Yeah. bargains. getting pissed. Yeah. And so yeah,
so North Carolina. Was there any other areas that you could pick from? Or was that just you sort of had this offer? It was Yeah,
I was kind of how it was set up that I had a scholarship to go there. And I didn't really look into other scenarios at that point in time. So I was open to moving anywhere at that stage. And that was the one that popped up first, and was a really good situation. And what's the difference between you got four years for half? Yeah,
well, I'm 27. Howdy 32. Yeah. So the Do you think that you will live in the US forever? Yeah,
I think there's a good chance that the stuff that kind of I really appreciate about is like the cost of living there is actually North Carolina is is very achievable. So we bought a house and we bought a house two years ago. Yeah,
what's it what's the property process? entry level? Yeah,
so you're talking kind of our neighborhoods, which would be so we're in a
medium sized town, probably like a DJ along size town. What's the closest city Charlotte Charlotte's pretty big Charlotte's probably a similar size and maybe some of the small capitals of like a Brisbane or maybe an Adelaide type size we're about an hour north of that so I actually work down in that that area now and my current boss will coaching job
but we're talking kind of in in this this time we are entry level House of like something you'd consider the suburbs that you'd want to live in somewhere around the hundred and 50 hundred and $60,000 us so we're talking about 200 okay
and you find actually borrowing money over there
um. So I have an American wife so that made it easier now I'm a permanent resident everything from that perspective is is a lot easier so she just sent a permanent resident so it's different from citizen citizen means you can vote and do all the other things parent resident means your can be there indefinitely and I see can convert right now. Yeah, I can't blame me
I saw I saw like anyway my Trump
make America I was actually shocked we were at the airport
yesterday coming across and when going through that to help on that Qantas flight and it was it was clearly an Australian that had been over there doing some some holidaying and she was rocking a make America great again. hat I thought was pretty distasteful.
It's a it's almost like it's a it's probably pop culture. Like they say if I can move like they're leaving it lately leaving the US and probably trading it like at some pop culture reference. But it's very real man.
I've been listening to a cat you know, Kenya with. Yep. Have you seen what's been happening in the moment?
So I guess the one thing I call it was a he decided he loved Donald Trump is that was that. Yeah,
there is so much to it. I listened to a my, my wife was like, what the fact I got into her about wasting time, then she's like, You wasted an hour and 45 minutes watching a Kanye West interview last night. So I was in bed listening to this interview. It gets so deep. I actually think you'll really like it. Georgia. It's like, and I can't speak for you. But it's like, they start talking about some real interesting things about you know, how the media works and fine, but also like, it's almost like life lessons. Like he's he's gone so date and it's all the stuff about Trump and he's any any wore a hat and got a photo with Trump or something. And he talked about, like, rappers ages ago. It's the it was the thing before it was prison. It was cool to put Trump your fucking your rap lyrics. It was like this funny thing that sort of gain momentum. Everyone was using it. Yeah. And it gave you almost like Craig and it's it's so interesting, sort of listening to his take on him just wearing that hat as a black American. And what has happened as a result of that. What's the vibe on Trump in North Carolina? Yeah,
so it was interesting because in the lead up to the election, North Carolina was considered probably one of the the swing states so we had a lot of activity in North Carolina and the months leading up to
leading up to the election. Part of that is as kind of a lot of Northern transplants in North Carolina. So people from the northeast that suicide is too cold. The New York kind of Boston type areas move down so they have more historically democrat and then your typical North Korea Atlanta person is probably from more the republican mall because I imagine it being a red state. So it did it. Did it go to the swing? Yeah, so it ended up going in the in the Trump direction. But there was a lot of effort put in kind of price. So we had like, and, and they frequent the university areas a lot. So we had we had Hillary on campus where I was working, we had Donald Trump kind of two minutes from campus where it works.
We had Bill Clinton there the night before the election to sneak around. It's just, yeah, just just chatting. Yeah, yeah.
potential is very common in the college's Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, so.
So North Carolina is full of Trump supporters. Yeah,
I wouldn't say it's full, it's full of them. I think it's just kind of mixed bag and like your minds, and these these people, you know that Yeah, I would say like, I would say it's kind of a little bit 5050 around the university and around the mall, kind of educated areas, it's probably a little less so. But
yeah, like, I definitely doesn't discriminate on like the stereotypes of there, but it doesn't necessarily have to hold true
to stereotype. I'm just trying to get Australia because, yeah, you know, oh, you voted for Trump. I don't even know what that means. Yeah, like,
I think that in some ways, you'd, you'd think that they'd be some elements of like, the more country folk read Nikki, I think anymore, right, Nikki, and that's the thing that's hardest to, for people that haven't been to the US before, it's kind of hottest to, to really wrap their head around is kind of the way the populations distributed, like you're going to go and there's like, just these small towns all over that not necessarily super small. So you're going to drive to a shepherd and that's going to be another million 2 million people you gonna drive an hour to two hours to a whole show, there's another 2 million people or or central area of Yeah, so I think that's the difference. And but there is definitely like a break it's not like you're going to be driving around driving a walking around Melbourne today, and kind of Erica noted, like we're at in royal this morning and drive all the way from Rovell to to the city and its suburbs the whole way that's very different to to how kind of is over the over there so why are you in Australia at the moment we're doing a bit a bit of kind of vacationing visiting family and we haven't been for three years we'll do a little bit of work in terms of kind of the basketball side of things and connecting with with my network over here and K for a conference next week and so
working Can you so you did the exercise science masters or whatever program and now you're working full time yeah so so
basically I went across in the exercise science mold that was kind of my vehicle to to go across there and I'm so I'm bosses over there was in that did a lot of health related research mostly with older adults wells day and during my time at Wake also worked with their women's basketball program. So spent five years with that program. And then then last year opportunity came up to become a full time assistant coach Davidson College. So for those that kind of don't know Davidson College haven't heard of Davidson Davidson's where Steph Curry played several most people kind of know Steph Curry's kind of the face of really proud of
the stairs. He is on in Drake song. Steph Curry with the shots boy
and you know Steph Curry is a big Golden State Warriors player. Yep. I actually think that I saw him. I went in San Francisco or Oakland more specifically back in 2012. Yeah. Went to a game. I'm pretty sure he was playing. I didn't realize it at the time. Yep. Sort of annoying. I think I spent that's probably why I spend so much on the tickets might be. I feel like it wasn't that big man. Anyway. So you're so Davidson. So he said. Yep. So
there was a college
and so your your assistant coach, did you say you get to a women's college team? Yep. What is the what's women's college sport? Like in the US? Yeah, well,
so there's a, there's a setup in the US or it's kind of roll through everything that goes down called Title Nine. And Title Nine essentially refers to
the kind of government driven
anti discrimination setups. So for every scholarship that goes into men sport, it has to be an equivalent that goes into women's sport. So that means some of that money is kind of distributed through the entire athletic department. So from a number of people perspective that come to games and that kind of thing. It's definitely not as not as large
we're kind of a smallest school as well. One of the small schools individually one sports
so we're talking only about 2000 students and college
but I men's, Jim holds about Jim holds about 40, 505,000
people. So you're thinking that's more than kind of most NBA arenas at Australia are getting Yeah,
and then we had a couple of games this year where we're up around the kind of 1500 mark for our women's games will play in some gyms that hold once again, hold 10,000 people, 15,000 people,
but the kind of scale of things support a ship just isn't quite at the level of them and stuff. What What is it like? Is it a different dynamic? You've coached men's basketball within Australia? If you do you I guess you did like you juniors and stuff like that. Yeah, what is the what's the dynamic? What's the difference between coaching women's basketball, men's basketball so
I think one of the the biggest things that stands out from the perspective of the the college level in the us is that the men stuff is a lot of trouble because it everyone, everyone there there's just a lot of ego behind it and run their thinks they go into the NBA. So you got 300 and 340 odd colleges in the US that are in Division One basketball. Yeah, get 340 that like crazy when you think about that they got somewhere around 1315 people on a roster.
Have you seen the LeBron James taco on Netflix? Yep. And then he was playing college. So Brandon gotta calibre and played High School. Yeah, so I said NBA Yeah, he was, it wasn't even college. Yep.
So these have another league. Yeah, there's another level below that. So that's, that's the high school stuff since he since LeBron
kind of has actually been rules that you can't do that anymore. You can't go from high school to the NBA.
That will probably changed pretty shortly back to being able to do that, because there's been some some kind of issues that have come out of it. But I think to kind of touch on your question, Josh, like the the biggest difference is that the like, women's college athlete has a bit more perspective over kind of what they're there for. And it's a bit more of this holistic experience in terms of combining the fact that they are getting the scholarship to study at a university, but also to like, achieve what they want to from the basketball sense.
So when things don't go their way or the it's just a little bit easier for them to rationalize the process behind what they doing what do you think that can be done to increase the popularity or viewership of women's sport so
like I think it's in some ways it's it's pretty good. There's definitely debates in the us right now about some of these kind of the ESP ends of the world
kind of being a bit more proactive with
kind of developing on some of the storylines of things that go on but
I think that it's it's really the onus is on the programs to get out and engage with the community around them.
Women's Basketball, definitely a women's sports are definitely kind of this more community driven setup and, and kind of leverage from that idea. It's accessible
it is it's obviously cheaper than the men stuff to get to
the certain components of that the older folk really love the women's stuff. We have a lot of kind of older adult fans
it's just there's something about it the connection that they have with with the student athletes it's a bit different. So I bill was in town he was
telling you guys
well, I know that the angle of your question is around women planks, but like I get it, it's like what
seems like a hot topic given the W AFL and you know, the women's football league and things like that,
like if I was to not dig too deep but it's like a men's game of football is a lot harder and faster. A men's matching tennis is harder unless Serena Williams is playing and she's faculty boy, do you think of that change? Because I know that TJ you've got like, I haven't watched my basketball I've got some girl friends who play one's just gone over to pay w MPL these cameras she she's impressive. super tall and fucking unbelievable. Yeah, but I don't know. Is there much difference like watching and Michael Jordan fucking dunking from half from half court from the what it needed the 3333 for free for free for free for a lot. Yeah. Or shack? Like the difference in that
it's so you're talking about the entertainment value? I think that that's a something is spoken about. James? Is that an area that you play in it? Although that you think about all that's in the same as something or to everyone? So heads down? You know, and is this sort of a public issue that that doesn't actually extend? Yeah, like,
I think in in some ways, people in women's basketball, kind of know what it is for what it is. So they understand that, like, from the entertainment value, you might say, like the men's stuff is more entertaining. But that's only if you're appreciating the the high flying dunking component of the above the rim style of men's basketball. Yeah, so I think that's where, like I mentioned before, kind of older adults lacking the women's game more because for a basketball, purest for appreciating the passing the shooting those elements of the game, they're all there in the women's basketball stuff, and even more heightened. Yeah, because of the lack of the other stuff. I think that there's some problems here with the way that they've kind of rolled out the women's AFL set up that the caliber of the the athlete just isn't isn't there get from the front of like this professional level that they have going on so that the quality of the product doesn't kind of match what the equivalent of women's basketball is to men's basketball.
I mean, it was such a skillful guy. And like all the handling that it's, that's why you have basketball, you know, all the handling
dribbling, yeah, you can't travel you travel.
Yes, but like all
that groundwork is the speed there's girls who are very fast and the men who are you know, the same so I get it but I mean, there's other polarized sports, boxing, you know, it's a guy like there is skill in it as well. I'm just thinking out loud here. I was just thinking about my weather. Yeah, and, you know, he's a smallish Dude, that's super skillful. So maybe I just haven't seen enough of it. I don't know there. I think there's definitely some sports that more entertaining on it on multiple levels when it's just men but then there's definitely room I think it's like the women getting paid as much as men in sport in basketball, it's like it just doesn't make sense in w MPL. They just don't bring enough money so they can't pay him as much what do you think like James is the what is the path of it you know you're talking about them being a bit more grounded what is the path of a female college basketball
player yeah so from a from a lot of front the majority athletes that are going through the the college system that's kind of the pinnacle of their their basketball career is that that four year period that they're on a campus
most of them on scholarship if you're in that team you basically guaranteed of scholars
yeah so ever run at our level are essentially on scholarship full scholarship was free that means free tuition free rooms and board so everything's basically paid for for them
What do they get what's what they tend to stand
so Davidson's are really high academic institution. So we're considered one of the kind of top schools in America
so we have we have players that want to be neurosurgeons we have laser want to be astronauts, we have players it kind of run the gamut, one that wants to kind of do the kind of Pixar type thing of like of animation. Yeah. And then you go down different levels that this kind of more the business folk and everything. So they are studying everything. But I think from the exposure point of view, just because of the way that the college sports is embedded
in into a college environment,
the potential for the crowds and the support a ship of
women's basketball potentially highest at the college level. Yeah, so for some people, that will be kind of the end of the college careers, there is the potential for the select few to do the web a thing for first trains that go across, they will come back and kind of do the W bbl thing. And that league is, is doing pretty well. Now it's kind of booming at a level but there's only eight teams. So there's, there's not that many jobs floating around. And it's still not necessarily full time for these these girls either. So yeah, so really, the path I think is is kind of in a lot of ways that the college basketball is a pinnacle of that school. And, and because of that, do you see that
a lot of the players that you're coaching, they do have that extra career path more so than say the men's basketball is? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah.
Like that's definitely the case. We we actually don't have summer school at Davidson. So a lot of schools will have summer school, they'll kind of bring their kids in,
kind of work them out over the summer, do different stuff, get them in class, we don't have that now, kids will all go through internships. So we have kids floating about doing doing internships, kind of the next three months side of history focused. Yeah, like it's the goal is for them to can understand what they're going to do afterwards. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily compromise what they're doing on the basketball court at that point in time. But do
you think the college system in the US has a bit fact
the reason I side is I feel like there's a lot of money involved. Yeah, and,
you know, you go to a university, it's got beautiful green grass, and also thing and on the other hand, there's a huge amount of student debt in the US, which makes sense if you're gonna make a quarter of a million a year as a, you know, in finance or as a lawyer but maybe if you're a creative while you're doing in a different field case to be said, you know, in Australia to Yeah, and hex you
can't get out of the day Why can't go bankrupt and remove the debt and it's the same with these college kids. Yeah, you saying it is it feels like a different note,
it feels like it's a next an extra level, like, say, the sporting all of this sport and these different elements play in the PR stage which plays into Okay, I want to go here which funds all of this sort of thing. So it's this sort of it's big it's a it's a business in itself it's in college as an industry would you say? Yeah, well
like to touch on the money side of things like none of the like student money that's being paid for tuition and all that kind of stuff is going to athletics so athletics is in a lot of ways it kind of cost neutral venture for the university in terms of the money that's coming in from TV revenue and all that kind of stuff is what what fills into to kind of how that works at the majority of these kind of division one programs
but as you said like
the university structure is very competitive and one school bus as the others trying to attract the best students they can and in a lot of ways it's it's the marketing ploy of getting their their brand out there and what the what the university is about and it probably businesses now that essentially it's like a private school that ways Liza private Yeah, like yeah, like even the even the state school system
like that is a way that they kind of drive the people to apply like, it's not like you're just going to apply to a school because you can apply to a school like you get to choose where you go. Yeah, and it's not as selective necessarily from the institution perspective as the like a straight in higher education model. But from the perspective of like, a lot of the higher education issues in the US are driven by how poor the high schooling is. Yeah, and how the schooling structure underneath that is. And so there's a lot of catch up that goes on during the undergraduate years. And so these these students that kind of leaving their undergraduate with these high like loans, but also with kind of not necessarily the skill set that they should have as a 22 year old. One last question.
I actually wanted to do a capital Rapid Fire question. Yes, yeah. Yeah.
I also I've got another question in regards to recruitment so I was taking it why why Yeah, I
just want to know about YouTube we definitely
we definitely want to that I want to find out just for
that so he's got some time it was good he said another hour so
so recruitment you you're in Australia now are you are you doing recruitment at the moment or not not I wouldn't say it's like active recruitment I think in some ways it's
just dealing with that networks over here that when there are like potential athletes that that could be candidates for Davidson and we have pretty high academic standards so that that rules out a lot of people fact that sounds like he's trying to get a text Rado
so there's a lot of rules and NC double A so the incidental it has a lot of rules regarding when you can recruit how you can recruit how you go about it. So
what does that even mean? So for the for the average punter the key recruiting so
in reality, we're talking to 1516 year old girls
to kind of come across in about two years time. So that's kind of the recruiting process
domestic going to rip basketball. Yeah,
so like we're talking really, it's the, the elite of the elite. So
probably in a Davidson mold.
Unless you're one of the top 20 players in Australia right now. You're probably not quite good enough to necessarily be that level.
I should put you in touch with my friend of mine, Darren. Yeah,
no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, that's Yeah. So that's how I know at least can be john a bunch of the boomers and stuff because I used to work at a gym your body world and he used to work out there and so like, pure strength and conditioning and yeah,
all for basketball. Yeah,
we actually came out
we actually have a Australian coming across in out kind of current recruiting class you'll get on campus in August. She's a Melbourne girl she actually works out with Darren right now
you may do a space he's gonna have him back
yeah so hopefully we'll get down there probably late next week until you
say haha yeah will do he's a really nice guy.
And and so two people may do you make money as a college like other than having everything covered? They're making coin Can I sign deals so they can sign deals I can do any of that they do get these days they get what's called kind of cost of attendance which is a little bit money on top just to kind of pay for phone bills and some clothes and a little bit of food outside they obviously get all their food painful. Yeah, while the with us and get a whole bunch of gear and all that kind of thing. But it's definitely not a like, lucrative scenario. They're not allowed to make that money. It's against the rules. So one
last basketball question. Yeah. Can white men jump? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
So crazy. It's crazy thing. craziest thing was, this is kind of national championship game and the the men's college basketball the best player was a white redhead who was Duncan and blocking and doing some crazy stuff. So yeah, yep. Yeah,
this gives me hope. Yeah.
So Josh had his basketball career James James coached me I didn't coach him for a little bit that's definitely not part of my path to college
as a professional job that Josh is kind of basketball career was highlighted by hitting a couple of threes and a game is always too I did four threes and well the game and gave the whole crowd high five and way down. Yeah,
and he made this video and showed everyone
should have what I'm trying to guys the relationship between users because my old elder brother he was eight years above me and you know, we were he was by the time I was a little fucking shit he was annoyed with me. We're best mates is we've got older what, like, what what was the relationship like for you to grow up? And I haven't, I don't know if I'm eating on a sore thumb here and
lots of punch ons and I think that Jay James How would I would get your take on what do you think?
Wow, I think you just gotta like try to put yourself in the shoes of a teenager
with a camera in your face. 24 seven
and the man that's what it was definitely. I think that James was on an athletic pathway and I was on a media creation pathway. I think that that was I think that I was always quite antagonizing in the sense of. I knew, like Haywood mom would say that. He would scratch a lot. It would sort of to remember you. Stop scratching. Scratching you James would stress what a screeching mean, like screeners just yelling and you. Yeah,
he was angry at me. I sound I look at Josh right now. Hero this stuff and I'm sure you've heard on the podcast. And I feel like now in Josh isn't an adult. I almost look at this guy. I'm a Who the fuck were you? Because that's not you now. Like, I feel like you're very refined now. But still, with all your quirks, you
know, we'd still Yeah, of
course. But that makes you was was he is we'd as he's made out on this podcast. Yeah. Like,
Josh is very aware of what he was.
And I think I think Wait, yeah. What do
you think? How do you describe if, if someone says if you have brothers, and they Yeah, they start dealing. How do you describe you, brother? Josh.
So I'm like, weird unit comes to mind.
Creative? Yeah. Like, really? It was. It was Josh was all centered around having the camera in his hand. It's true. It's pretty crazy that we've been
Do you see this? I guess within the college based you like people who would just find what they love young like you. You were lucky. And you found basketball and how old? Like when did you start?
What kind of came in and out of it a little bit. Yeah, like I started playing. I think when I was four years old, when I first started playing basketball. And then probably through early teenage years, I didn't play as much. And then when I was 16, I kind of reinvested some time and energy into it. And then that was a big kind of part of my life from that point. And then in some ways, when I got to the US, it kind of did died down for a little bit. And I invested a little more time into the academic space. And
as last year has been kind of resetting it a little bit. And in this full time basketball mode, the one fight that James and I always have, and we can bring it up on the podcast we haven't spoken about it is, you know what it's gonna be yes. About the Fitbit.
So I'm James James. James. And I had a big argument to using I now back last time we spoke exactly about the Fitbit and where it was going, James, what what did you want to get your without putting words into your mouth? What do you what was your side of the argument of Fitbit, my side
of the argument was that Fitbit as a company got into the activity monitoring space at a time when they basically dominated the market. And so that device became known by a lot of the community. It's not necessarily the tech people, you know, like the tech people are going to call what it is, but the majority of people will refer to an Activity Monitor, regardless of its brand as a Fitbit. And so I felt that because of that, Dawson, yeah, because of that, it's it's your, it's your clinics, like, it's, it's all those things. And
because of that, I felt like that was a business that had destroyed had a stroke. And when I say have the stronghold wasn't necessarily going to be the day dominant, like force in the marketplace, but we're never gonna go away. Mm hmm. And Josh felt like they could go away. Yeah, yeah, they were on the verge, because the Apple
Watch, ya know, so it wasn't so much the Apple Watch, it was more I didn't feel like they had enough technological chops to, I felt that the, you know, the size that they were at, and this happens a lot with bigger companies, you get,
you get really big on the technology that you have. And the problem with that is that if you're an accelerometer type of business, and you build up a business doing that, for instance, car industry is probably a great example, the car industry has struggled with the electric electric vehicle market, right, you've got Tesla that's come in, and it's because that the, the electric car market might be a very different one, or could be approached in a very different way to traditional car. So if you're used to building a fucking motor vehicle that runs off petrol, it's a different potentially different game. So my my argument was that the dad the Fitbit accelerometer like that technology was going to be whilst it might be the thing that we use in a number of things that there was going to be enough devices that we're going to be smart enough that we're going to be able to do that
and I think Apple would be really well positioned to be able to assist two years ago was two years ago three
three years three years ago I think three years ago and hasn't been here for three years I'm joining together
it was the
man so what do you think James now that you've had the because the argument saints fucking useless I mean my brother was saying who stole the weed out of his drawer
and and so that I mean you see the argument that this is just like what we're up staff
well i think so intake I think it's the intellectual ization I think that James and I have always had debates on
yeah and if we're trying to intellectualize something I think that we push back on that because I think we both have respect for research and going to things and James ease and exercise scientist
feel we should pissed off each other we up stuff
with James yet
one says pissed off like Josh just wouldn't like Let it go Let it go and we still ends and he's still clearly can't let it go. This is just brought it up again. Yeah.
So and over the Fitbit is a funny funny story. But interestingly,
as this particular made money off, it beats as well how Yeah,
I did make money off it cash money off of your when I seldom early days. But a couple of interesting things Fitbit stock we when we talk about what we were looking at your wedding and stuff. It's a on a decline in
that, like, we also spoke about that not being a representation of your company.
So it's it hasn't actually been resolved.
But do you know something interesting that to give you an idea of why I think Apple might be onto something, or Well, why I think that it won't be Fitbit Apple of doing things like trying to work out how to measure your glucose through light. So similarly to heartbeat and stuff like that. So rather than so if you're a diabetic, you might have to have like a little pricking yet to be able to measure you.
If I say the word squeegee. Yeah. Does any story come to mind? Well, I
tell you, yeah, yeah.
Josh, dressing up, like in black. Can I fucking securing the perimeter of your help
that part? I don't remember. Yeah.
Bye. Absolutely. That was a that was a hoot. Is it as good as
we have? What's your story? What's Well, I just definitely remember, like, people stealing the Bible early to hear this
scared, but here it
It was fantastic. It was so loud. It was Yeah, it was really I would like to buy one now. And yeah, so.
So finally, coming, coming back to Australia after so long, what's the biggest change? What are you noticing? You know, putting a different lens on things? What's Australia? Like?
Wow, I've been here a day. So
haven't seen too much. I think.
I think it's interesting. There's obviously like,
population shifts and changes and how it's a looking and kind of, I think there's elements of it being challenging from a financial point of view for for young people growing up here and how they want to approach it.
That part really stands out. I think the food scene really stands out and how that kind of is formulated into someone's lifestyle.
But yeah, like that. There's a lot of things you go there's a lot of things different. But there's a lot of things that are just very much the same. And
well, welcome home. Thank you. Welcome. Hi,
Sally. Talk show everyone. Thanks James Hansen for being on feel free to send us an email high the daily talk show.com if you have any questions we should get James on in like 100 episodes time Yeah, we could do a two one from the US 6160 and Tommy and I talked to her Yeah, we want to do we start your job? Absolutely. Yeah,
we got spare bedrooms so
this is the great thing you know 200 k house you get back in five bedrooms. retrievable, any feedback on the podcast,
I listened to. Occasionally I have an hour commute, so you know,
it's in the rotation a little bit. I prefer the shorter ones. Okay.
Well, this one's gone for 45 minutes. So
on the nice end, rather I never knew existed. Well, you did now.
Like you weren't real because I'd never met. I've met Jay
I appreciate how Josh talks about me all the time. That's do i
do i do