Index Cards, Coral & Dehydration

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 828.

Tommy: Weekend banter. What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Mason: Fuck, did it say 29, mate?

Josh: 829. Who cares?

Tommy: 829. Jess Lucas, producer. Jess, welcome. Mr. 97, thanks for chiming in and just bringing down Josh. You can, you can go now, mate. We'll finish your stream up and it will just be the three of us, to be honest.

Josh: Well, I did ask you beforehand, but the thing is, I just— there needs to be So, I've ordered index cards and if I had index cards, I would write down the episode number on the index card and I would have it there. The problem is that the index cards are coming from overseas and so I've got a fucking Officeworks that's 300 metres from my apartment, but I feel fucking dumb because I've bought 4,000 index cards to go and buy index cards from fucking Officeworks.

Tommy: Do you remember when you wanted to start printing emails in the office.

Josh: Yeah, I do remember that. I still think it would be great to have a good qual printer.

Tommy: No, I agree, but it is expensive. And who's getting the ink? You almost need to buy a year's worth of ink as you buy the printer because the ink will run out in like, you know, 3, 4 months, and then you've still got another year before you just, you know, there's an argument in the office and you throw it off the balcony because Jess has been printing too much. Jess, have you ever been in trouble at a corporate business where you're printing too much? Much? It seems to be quite a problem.

Jess: I'm not a massive printer. I don't like it. Yeah, trying to conserve the trees, you know.

Josh: Is that really— is there an environmental spin to it, or are you just making that up for optics?

Jess: No, I just think it's a waste because you look at it once and then you just— I'd never look at it again. And I hate clutter, uh, so pieces of paper everywhere really pisses me off.

Josh: Okay, now I get that. And so does that— does that mean that you would be opposed to I was talking about one day in the future what the whole setup looks like, and I imagined for every show, imagine having sort of a 50-meter-long corkboard, and every show, say if we had, uh, actually probably 50 meters, yeah, that's good. 5 meters, that's a, that's long, I guess. So I imagine it's, yeah, it's a long office. 50 meters, a big office, big upgrades. So maybe let's say 20 meters, right? 20, not even 20-meter corkboard, right?

Mason: And then, you know, our whiteboard's only like 2 and a bit meters.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the thing is, my backyard, my new backyard at my new place is only 17 metres long, and that feels fucking huge.

Josh: I mean, you've been speaking about it like it's the biggest thing. I thought you were moving to a farm.

Tommy: Well, it basically is.

Josh: You have an F-45, you're gonna have fucking Hollywood's Children's Farm there, you're gonna have fucking Every single week.

Tommy: It will be.

Josh: But anyway, the— So, imagine at 20 meters, let's say 20 meters, and we have 10 different podcasts at that point. And for every podcast, they get 2 metres of corkboard and they get boxes of index cards and they're putting up all their ideas.

Jess: Do you—

Josh: Are you okay with that from a paper perspective, Jess?

Jess: No, no, no, no. Because what about the content ideas? What if you want surprises and stuff? You can't be showing other people or like, I know they're in our network, but you can't be showing This is a classic Jess move, isn't it?

Josh: She was fucking worried that everyone's gonna steal your ideas. No one wants your fucking ideas. No one wants anyone's ideas.

Jess: Not mine, but I'm collecting.

Tommy: You know what though? This is, we're looking at how people work and people work differently. And so being next to a row of 10 other people doing work, it's a pain in the ass.

Josh: Like, people are coming at different, Mate, I'm the one who hates people more than anyone, right? Like, this is— but what I'm saying is, um, you have too much Tully doing her production meeting at midday, one-trick Tony comes in at 3, everyone's doing it different. We can get you a fucking curtain that you can put over your ideas, Jess.

Tommy: Isn't there a push away from open-plan workspaces now?

Josh: Yes, yeah, yeah, massively. But I mean, I see this as a bit of a different one, which is the difference between having desks set up and then having collaborative places where there's a little bit of space. So, does every podcast need their own office? Is that what we're saying?

Tommy: It wouldn't be bad. It wouldn't be bad. It's, I mean, it'd be lovely.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: Jess would like it.

Jess: Or could we just have a smart screen where we could just have one office and then we rotate the different podcasts and then we can like tap on it and you can log in and you can have your ID.

Mason: It's a real interactive whiteboard.

Josh: But there's no index cards at that point, is there?

Jess: Can I just make a point? You are the only one who wants the index cards.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a very big drive and he's really doubled down with the 4,000 of them.

Jess: I know.

Mason: What was the pricing?

Josh: So the pricing, it's— So I found out after the review—

Mason: Was it more affordable than Officeworks?

Josh: Yes. Yeah, a lot more. Half the price. And so, I— Yeah. So, I got them from Amazon and they're a bit of a thinner stock, which I normally would be a thick stock guy.

Mason: But—

Josh: Cheers, Tim. Yeah. But the thing is that they have lined on one side and plain on the other. So, it's versatile in that regard. And it's thick enough that you can use a Sharpie on it. And so I just think it's great for— so, okay, show planning. Maybe we do all show planning on Trello, and then we can do, um, maybe website user experience stuff, or—

Tommy: yeah, brainstorming that then Jess will translate to Trello.

Josh: Yes, I'm sure. I reckon there's probably an app right now where you can take a photo of the corkboard. So the one annoying thing about the corkboards is all the pins.

Tommy: You don't need— absolutely don't need a corkboard. Pins are the most silly fucking things. Like, there's so many other versions, there's so many other options. Sticky tape, um, what do you call it?

Josh: What's the point of—

Tommy: you don't use a corkboard. We don't need a corkboard. No corkboard needed.

Josh: So what are you using?

Tommy: What's straight on any wall? You can use, um, Blu Tack. You can use any sort of adhesive.

Mason: It's like what you did in the, the Booper video where they're all the, um They were actually, and they were using it on the glass.

Josh: They were doing like a Scrum, what, you know, Agile type stuff. It looks very good.

Tommy: But have you been a part of a team that actually does it, JJ? Like in a tech business? She worked in Vado and I could imagine the engineers and shit.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Because I feel like this is foreign to Jess because Jess, it's a very common practice.

Jess: Yeah, I've done that job before, but also like working at Clem's and stuff like that. There are posters and stuff all over the walls. Like, work like that, don't like it.

Josh: And TJ, remember we went to, um, uh, Old Maid in Los Angeles? What's he— what's his name? Real, um, real funny creative.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, fuck. Oh, I was literally talking about him this week. Um, uh, not Dax. I was thinking Dax. Um, it's gonna annoy Culver City. Yeah, I still had this week, the creative agency. Remember in the toilet there was all those big—

Mason: ah, Brooks Atwood.

Josh: Brooks.

Tommy: Brooks.

Mason: Brooks.

Josh: Yeah, Brooks is fucking great. He, um, in his office they just have like— they've clearly got endless amounts of ink because they've just got fucking, um, concepts and mood boards and, you know, Pinterest. Yes, like Pinterest wants was just fucking like classic corkboard with some pins.

Jess: Yeah. I mean, I figured that's probably the inspiration.

Josh: And I'm the digital, the thing is that I'm the digital guy. I think where it comes, I think.

Tommy: But are you?

Josh: You're pushing the corkboard.

Tommy: I know, I know.

Jess: 'Cause this is what I found fascinating about the whole thing. 'Cause remember when I started and you guys were like, no, we don't use Google Sheets and stuff. I was like, ah, you're like, that's so antiquated. And then now you wanna go back.

Tommy: I don't know that word. So I have not used that word. I would have been drunk if I did. You might not have used the word, but okay.

Josh: Can you say that word, TJ, and put it in a sentence? What do you think it means?

Tommy: Well, it's a finishing off with something. So, it's like, I'm sick of this process because it's so antiquated. It's like, tell me what it means and then I'll tell you if I was right.

Josh: Jess, what's the definition of antiquated?

Jess: Good guess, but no. Just like antiques. If you think about an antique, it's old.

Josh: It's a bit primitive, okay.

Tommy: It's an old process.

Mason: Outdated.

Josh: Yeah, but the thing is, no, so the— I think what's happened is because I watched those few hours of the masterclass on the screenwriting and so much of the pro— they have this writer's room.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And in the writer's room they've got a corkboard and they've got like, he's like, this is how the best television and films and all this sort of thing are made.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so based on that, I sort of—

Tommy: Oh mate, Mason's dealt with it. You've come in after a weekend. We have a whole new approach to business and it's off the back of a book.

Josh: But there's something nice about the tangible nature of the thing. The authenticity. No, I get it.

Tommy: We get it.

Josh: I've said it to GB too. I've like, uh, Sebs, have it with hump day. Are you moving to index cards? Is that happening or no?

Mason: Yeah, well, we're doing index cards digitally on Asana.

Jess: Okay.

Tommy: Yeah, that's right.

Josh: Can you do index cards digitally on Asana? Do they call them index cards?

Mason: No, they're just cards.

Josh: Okay, same thing.

Tommy: And so let's talk about—

Mason: it's one word.

Tommy: Well, it's how do you land on something though? Because you see something, Josh, and I know that it's— your intentions are so great and it's like it is obviously working for a company like Disney or whatever who are implementing this.

Josh: I'm sure they were looking at index cards in Frozen. Yeah, I'm sure if we go back to the doco, there were moments of index cards.

Tommy: I'm sure, I'm sure they've— yeah, it's who's it for, what's it for. It's for a specific part of the process that then can be taken away. There's definitely something worth, um, like using Notepad and Pen to just write shit down. But then yeah, it is the back and forth with the Notepad and Pen. But well, if you actually took shit off the table, so if you took off the table writing down, you then have to find the way using digital, like Notepad.

Josh: I mean, I'm the guy— keep in mind, I'm the guy that started the week was talking about draughts and having all my notes in my phone, so I'm not opposed too digital. But I think that the exciting thing is when you are— if you're in a brainstorm or you're in a, um, production meeting or you're trying to collaborate, there's— there is something annoying about everyone just being on their computer. And because you, you're getting input stuff, so you're getting stimulus from that and you're Googling things and you're very—

Tommy: yeah.

Josh: And so what, what I would love is for us to separate a little bit and say, here We're generating ideas. No idea is a bad idea. Come on, what's your ideas? And then we're getting the index cards and we're putting it on and we've got the pins. And then by the end of it, you have a corkboard full of ideas. Yeah. Yeah.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: I mean, it's— Jess has done this a million times.

Jess: I'm not going to do a run sheet. As long as we don't— Yeah. Remember we did a brainstorm, Tommy and I. Yeah. That's how I run brainstorms. I didn't realise we were talking about brainstorms. I thought we were talking about run sheets using them.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: Well, there is the bleed in the comms around it. It's going to be used for everything. If you want to have a coffee catch-up, we're using a corkboard and fucking—

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: So the thing is that's the vibe right now. So the run sheet, I feel, should be because you weren't happy because you sent— you showed me the Too Much Tully run sheet and I just— all I did was I selected the whole doc and put it like that. And press delete.

Tommy: And said start again.

Josh: Start again.

Tommy: This is terrible.

Josh: No, I just press the line line through and everything. That's a bit more obnoxious because you can see that something is gone. Uh, yeah, no, I turned the, the type size, the font size to, I think it was 16 or 18, and I'm like, there, change is done, go in. Like, and you weren't happy?

Jess: No, and I went straight back in and like reversed what you did.

Josh: Yeah, I watched that and I watched it in real time. I was on a client call and I watched in real time as the Google, like, all the work that I'd done in the Google Doc slowly start going back to its original size. But the point being that I think, as I've said before, I'm allergic— I have an allergy to big blocks of text, and things need to be sort of, you know, they dance on the page if there's too much text. And so we just— yeah, we need to try and do one lines on what we're doing rather than like, if we're talking about something, doing a whole paragraph. Because if you're doing a show if you're on the podcast, I mean, you do— it's like, think about when you're in school. In school, the kids who were just getting started in debating or doing speeches, they would write every single bit on the page, right? And then the top dogs, what they end up— what the SRC presidents are doing, what, you know, what ends up happening.

Mason: What did you do back in the day?

Josh: I had index cards and I couldn't get— I remember when I first saw— so I'd just been cutting paper, I'd just been getting A4 paper and cutting it, and then I remember guillotines in the libraries. Yeah, guillotines are great. I had a guillotine, a personal guillotine. Anyway, I, uh, when I, when I discovered that there was a type of card that you could buy that was actually designed for this specific purpose. Like, I've been loving index cards for a long time. I've had many. We've used a lot in the office. They get— they sort of— they, uh, I feel like we went through them very quickly.

Mason: And so I thought you still have a stack of about 300 on your desk.

Josh: I wish.

Tommy: Yeah, I did try and look for them, but Jess and I bought a bunch, uh, before our Brainstorm, didn't we? Yeah.

Jess: Where are they? I think they're sticky notes.

Tommy: Oh, those sticky notes. Sorry, we wanted a similar vibe, but we wanted to make them easy to put up. Sticky notes work, don't they, Jess?

Jess: Yeah, sticky notes work for brainstorms because then everyone—

Tommy: because you can get different sizes.

Josh: Yeah, I have seen— so I was— I read an article about index cards specifically before I bought them, and someone said, riveting. If you want— no, it's great. It's good to know this stuff. Someone's got to care. Um, you don't have to, but the, uh, in the article they said if you are doing long days to avoid sort of wrist issues, the sticky notes are great because you're not having like putting pins in everything.

Tommy: Why? Because heaps of wankers are using them?

Josh: Good wank joke. No, because it's the pins.

Tommy: No, I get it, I get it. I think I'm a fan of sticky notes. To avoid wrist issues. I'm gonna think of—

Josh: Yeah, so then I will, we could look at this.

Mason: You're only pinning max a couple of hundred a day, maximum. That's outrageous.

Josh: That's a lot.

Tommy: Bloody snowflakes.

Mason: You're gonna have wrist issues after pinning 100 things.

Tommy: It's, um, no, this is great. Hang on, let's, um, take it away from this review.

Josh: My frustration now, just very quickly on the Index Hub, one thing that I forgot to mention, Ryan Holiday, the author that you love, he's a great writer. He has a whole index card method where if you— He's got boxes and boxes of index cards. And what he does, this is one of the other reasons I bought so many. When you're reading a book, you know how I've been like underlining like quotes that I like?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Then what you do is after you've read the book, go through the book and for every quote or underline, create an index card. And then so what you end up with is a repository of all of the— your quotes, the ideas. And so then if you want to write a book and you want to quote things, or you want to— you're like, oh fuck, like what happened here? You've got all these. Like, I could become very good at quoting.

Mason: Is that not what—

Jess: Just dogtail your book.

Tommy: Yeah, no, it's—

Mason: I thought you literally had the Kindle app for that purpose.

Josh: Yeah, so, but there's that hooked in, like, what is it called?

Mason: Exactly.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, it's the highlights thing. Yeah, so I Readwise is a third-party app that I was using that will send you an email each day with some highlights from your Kindle. But what we're talking about here, Sev, is physical books.

Mason: Sure.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Nah, I love it. Anyway, moving on. Sorry, I'm done.

Tommy: Uh, Jess, um, last Saturday we did the check-in on your date, and, uh, I know because I get access to the Too Much Telly recording. There was no update on next week's Too Much Tully about your date, and so I'm thinking maybe we can sneak one in. Or is it, uh, you want to get back to us?

Jess: It's so cold.

Tommy: Oh, it's gone, it's gone cold.

Josh: Oh no, it's not a crime, it's a crime case, is it?

Tommy: Get the cue cards out, let's, let's build out a mind map of this shit.

Josh: Yeah, so what's, what's happened, Jess?

Jess: Well, it's mostly me. I'm just off him at the moment. I just can't be bothered with him.

Josh: And this is after he decided to watch basketball with his brother. I didn't even know the basketball season was on.

Mason: Yeah, I don't know at all.

Jess: I think it got maybe got pushed out because of COVID Yeah, LeBron's playing.

Josh: Oh really? Is the basketball actually on?

Tommy: I don't know how it's working, but they're definitely playing.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, they're using aura rings. I could get around for the to really measure track temperature. They're using— so it's very quickly— NBA bought 4, I think it was 4,000 or 4, like 4,000 or something Oura Rings that all of the, the players are using, and it's to cheque their temperature. And if they get an abnormal temperature, they then have to get tested. And the reason they came up with the idea was a guy on Facebook who has an Oura Ring, which is like a tracking ring for like sleep and all that sort of thing, said, hey guys, uh, I use— I have an Oura Ring.

Jess: I was—

Josh: this is back in like March. I was going to get on a flight somewhere and I saw that my temperature was funny and I thought, oh, that's weird, I'm gonna go get tested. And he had COVID. And so after that, they basically pivoted from being like the sleep tracking thing to being like a, um, what do they call it? What do they call it now? It's like a, um, diagnosis ring, or like a diagnosis product.

Mason: Anyway, the same, the same thing happened with, um, Whoop. Yes, like it's not, not, not the NBA stuff, but around, like, there was the first person who got the, um, the first person who had a Whoop who got COVID had the same experience, like, man, my heart rate's off, my everything's off. And so that's how he picked it up, which is pretty cool. But the NBA, they're also using, um They're also using a new test as well. It's like a quick, uh, is it the one the White House are using?

Tommy: It's like 15 minutes. Yeah, it's ridiculously quick for a COVID test.

Josh: I mean, Joe Rogan's testing all of his guests. Is he using it?

Tommy: Yeah, not— it's not that one, it's a different— it's a different version.

Mason: But now they use spit tests.

Tommy: Okay. Yeah.

Josh: Wow. And so, I mean, sorry, sorry, we're talking about your dating and then went to the NBA stuff. This is what guys do. Somehow you want to talk about your love life and we'll talk about sport.

Jess: And then I just clock out.

Josh: Accept it. So how are you feeling about it all then? So you're feeling told?

Jess: Do you know what? Nah, I'm okay. Cause I'm kind of, yeah, whatever it is, what it is. He wasn't that, like he was fine, but he was like, the banter wasn't that good that I'm like, you know, sad about it. So I can deal with that. And I mean, I feel bad. I'm probably ghosting him because I'm just not gonna write back to his last message. He's just painful.

Josh: So you won't— you can't cast for him based on— you wouldn't know who he is if, if you saw him at a cafe, would you know it was him?

Jess: Yeah, I feel like I would now.

Mason: And would he know what you look like?

Jess: Literally down the road.

Tommy: Okay, so there could be a chance that you, you bump into each other, but it's— but it's not like—

Josh: yeah, because you've got photos on Hinge and stuff, so I mean, I'm fairly sure he'd Will he only recognise you if you're dressed up as a sausage though?

Jess: Yeah, potentially. What was talking about food?

Josh: Have you updated any of that stuff, the food stuff?

Jess: No, because again, I'm just off it all. I can't be bothered. Oh. Having to, I know, having to sustain a conversation really pisses me off. I just.

Josh: Welcome to life. Yeah. And the podcast. I thought my index card quirk was funny.

Jess: You guys are engaging though. Like he's just kind of like, how was your day? So you want to date him?

Josh: House is what you're saying, which you can't. That's the problem.

Tommy: Josh, can you cue the clap sound effect?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It was this week, probably 4 days ago. That's a bit early. That's right.

Mason: Real premature.

Tommy: That Jess posted for the first time in 1 year on Instagram.

Josh: Prompt me when you want the clap.

Tommy: Go, go. That's it. That's it there. Big one. And so it got late. It had got late in the night, late in the arvo, and she'd even said to me, what should I post?

Josh: What did you say, TJ?

Tommy: I can't even remember.

Jess: I was like, I don't know.

Tommy: She said, stop thinking about it so much, just post something. And then she's done a post. Tell us about why you chose this, the aesthetic, why you went with it, and how hard was it for you? And do you feel good?

Jess: Yeah, I felt good about it. A lot of engagements, more than I've ever had before in my life. So it was all about—

Tommy: Of course you did, mate. They thought you were dead.

Josh: You're gone. Engagements?

Jess: Yeah, like likes, comments.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jess: Felt real good. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: A lot of engagement.

Jess: The reason I went—

Josh: A lot of engagement.

Mason: The reason I went—

Josh: Proposals. What? No, go on.

Jess: Um, the reason I went for black and white is because I wanted to break it off from the stuff I posted, and now I'm going to start posting more. And I still, I mean, I still have a strategy around what I'm gonna post.

Tommy: And then it was a 3-line across, so the 3 photos, she's really done the line.

Josh: That's fucking great.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so you think that people will be aware, or you have to put it in your bio, like black and white, pre-black and white, everything from 2019 back, or you just assume people understand?

Jess: I think I'll just start fresh. I don't think I'll draw attention to it, you know.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And so how— what is your post?

Tommy: It sounds pretty thought out, to be honest. It sounds really thought through.

Josh: Actually, before we get to the posting strategy, what did you— what did you actually post?

Jess: Um, I posted old photos, um, of my family. Um, my gran wanted to do a big family photo. She wanted to get it all printed and stuff for her home. And if you look at the last one, it's— we're all sitting on a couch. It looks like we're the cast of Friends or something.

Josh: The big cast of Friends.

Tommy: It's great.

Josh: It's great. I love the one with your sister because you're sort of holding her stomach like she's like newly pregnant.

Jess: Did you look at the hand placement as well of the other two? Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, my God. That's so bizarre because I thought it was her hand, but they've got them interlocked like over each other. But it looks like one hand, your sister's got some sort of, you know, 17 fingers.

Josh: I mean, wow.

Jess: Yeah, I don't know why they did. We're just all so awkward in front of a camera.

Josh: So I get that. Well, Mason's actually— Seb's— you're being the family guy. You've done your own family shoot.

Mason: Yeah, well, I mean, not— not my— it wasn't a family shoot, but for, for, uh, Grace's mum's birthday, we thought we'd send over a photo because she's got this great place where she puts all the family photos. And so We went out on the weekend and took a photo in the front yard and then I've got it printed.

Josh: Can you show— have you got on your phone or something?

Mason: Can you show it? Yeah, yeah, I do. Hang on, it's actually my, um—

Josh: oh, it's your background.

Tommy: Oh wow, very rich.

Mason: That's very cool. Who took that?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, who took that?

Tommy: Did you get Dad, Rick?

Mason: Did you get him out there? Got Dad's camera and Sam went and, um, went and took it. But it was—

Jess: yeah, he posted it as well?

Josh: No, he hasn't.

Mason: No, I haven't posted it, just, um Hang on, here we go.

Tommy: And his dad's got the latest camera, A7S.

Josh: It's very sweet.

Mason: And then there's that—

Tommy: oh yeah, high rate.

Josh: Yeah, it's beautiful.

Tommy: How did you guys—

Josh: like, are you, um, you sort of coordinated? Are you both wearing navy or something?

Mason: Or— yeah, uh, I mean, I just, I just put on, uh, my only t-shirt that was there and then, um That jumper is actually Grace's mum's jumper.

Josh: Oh, great.

Mason: From a while ago.

Josh: That Grace is wearing.

Mason: That Grace is wearing, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Which is quite cute. What about her wearing all white? That was a big thing for a while. What is that? What's that material? White bodies? When you go to Greece or whatever and you wear— I've got one of those shirts. Cotton linen.

Tommy: Linen, oh, linen, sorry.

Josh: Yeah, I feel like it would be fun to do. We could, how about we do a big media company linen linen shoot would be great. All fucking mad.

Tommy: Yeah, brought to you by Rod and Gun. I've got linen.

Josh: Oh yeah, the directors can be wearing blazers just to cut it real, in the middle, real, real cringe. That'd be nice.

Mason: Like pants though, or you like sort of like baggy, baggy white pants as well.

Josh: Yeah, we could do it on sand. Like, it really—

Mason: yeah, like a real yacht vibe.

Josh: Yeah, I thought— yeah, that'd be our boat shoes. Boat shoes would be nice.

Tommy: And cocaine in everyone's pockets.

Josh: That sounds like the vibe. It sounds like your bloody 40th, CJ. Mate, that's what's happening.

Tommy: Grace, who's coming? Um, Jess, that, uh, you're new to the podcasting space and you're already on about 70 shows. Um, how are you feeling about sharing more personal stuff? Because you're the girl that had the closed Facebook page, uh, Instagram account. So you're quite personal and next minute you're talking about, you know, relationships, dating, mental health. Like, how are you feeling? Just, I mean, we should be doing this off air, but let's just do the check-in now.

Josh: The index cards haven't arrived yet, so we're just gonna roll with it.

Jess: Yeah. Yeah, fine. I'm okay with it. I mean, I don't know. I mean, you guys don't know if I'm revealing everything.

Josh: Okay, what does that mean?

Jess: Yeah, I'm actually a pretty open book, let's be honest. You guys probably hear about everything in my life.

Josh: What don't we know about you? Tell us what— here's a fun game. Let's tell us one thing that we don't know about you.

Jess: Oh, I don't know if I— I feel like Tommy might know this, but I have my nose pierced.

Josh: I knew this as well. Can you find it down there?

Tommy: Maybe it's Yeah, what do you mean flick it down?

Josh: So she's got it always in.

Tommy: Oh my God, you've got— oh, you're sorry. No, yes, I did know that, but I didn't know that you kept it in.

Josh: Can you go—

Tommy: I didn't know you kept it in. Do you flick it out much?

Jess: No, no.

Tommy: Okay, so is it—

Mason: how do you take it out?

Jess: It's just like up and looped over. Um, so I've got little balls on the ends.

Tommy: Yeah, so you take off the balls and you can take it out. And so, yeah, when do you bring it out? When do you sort of flick it down?

Josh: First date?

Jess: I haven't brought it out. No, I haven't brought it out in years. I can't remember the last time I actually wore like a hoop through it. Um, yeah, no, I probably wouldn't bring it out now. It's just for lols because everyone's like, oh really, just for lols? Yeah, and I just feel like I could just reveal that to like my future guy. He's gonna be like, what is that? I'm like, I'm a badass.

Josh: I'm a badass.

Tommy: Have you got any tattoos, Jess?

Jess: Nah.

Josh: I think we spoke about that on Hump Day.

Mason: Yeah, we did.

Josh: Just get a bit too indecisive or just feel like you'd have— I mean, Hayden feels like the opposite. He's like, mate, no, you don't regret them. You just fucking keep living. Which you have to say that if you have a podcast logo. And a hummus logo for that matter. Yeah. I mean, Sev's actually mentioned, you mentioned on Hump Day Replay that you would get the Daily Talk Show tattooed. Interesting spots that you were suggesting.

Mason: Well, so we, we've discussed this before at the end of the 10 years, getting a little, like, a little, a little tattoo or a little, like, memento of what we've achieved and what we've done. Yeah. And so I don't know if it'll be— I don't think it'll be the logo. I don't know what it'll be, but I think it'd be—

Josh: I think you said it was the— I'm pretty sure it was the Daily Talk Show logo. You don't like— you don't want the logo? You think it's too corporate or something?

Mason: Yeah, no, I wouldn't get the logo.

Josh: BMZ.

Jess: Get your microphone.

Mason: I get my microphone.

Josh: A microphone, people are like, ah, were you in a band?

Tommy: I think there's good things like Josh, on your arm, on your arm, the back of it, like in sort of really skinny text.

Mason: The index card.

Tommy: Ep 14. It just says EP 14.

Josh: Actually, it would be good to have something where we need all of our arms together to make something up.

Tommy: Oh, that's great.

Mason: Oh, yeah.

Jess: That's cute. Do you have any tattoos, Josh?

Josh: I've got 6, but they're all on my right shoulder. Now it's got nothing.

Jess: I was like, holy fuck, how?

Tommy: Yeah, look, I'm happy if we can get the confirmation right now. As long as, I mean, Josh, it's definitely you and I still here in 10 years. If these guys will fucking put up with us, they'll be here too. But can we get a pact right now? Will you all get a tattoo of some kind to reflect the previous years?

Jess: Yeah. Yes.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Great. Yes. Got it. We've got it.

Josh: Yeah, that's good.

Jess: I can't wait to be watching this back in 10 years' time and being like, It will be an 8 or 7.5.

Josh: Just gonna come back real quick.

Tommy: The—

Josh: just so you know, if it's feeling chilly this weekend, it's because icy mass of Antarctic air is heading for Australia's— Australia to drop the weekend temperature.

Tommy: That's cool, mate. I'm not looking forward to it, to be honest. I've got a nice heater, but yeah.

Josh: That's interesting. Did you, um, I mean, I feel like it's boring talking about other podcasts you listen to on a podcast. Well, just don't mention it.

Tommy: Just say you heard, overheard a conversation.

Josh: Yeah, a personality trait of— is my light shifting? I feel like my light keeps doing like a, the LED thing. Anyway, uh, Joe Rogan had, uh, David Blaine on his podcast. He is like a fucking magician, illusionist. I don't know, like he's fucking all these things, right?

Tommy: He's a modern-day Houdini, but even more talented, I think, than Houdini. Like, you know, he can hold his breath longer. Houdini could only do 3 minutes, 3 and a half minutes. He can do 17. Like, he's got— he's like the Houdini on steroids. But Houdini probably has—

Josh: he probably is on steroids.

Mason: Yeah, probably on something.

Josh: Yeah. But anyway, the thing that I was listening to was about coral. Hear him talking about coral, TJ?

Jess: No.

Josh: Fucking coral's amazing.

Jess: Bleaching? Or they're just coral, just coral.

Josh: Like, it's like the oldest— it's like one of the oldest animals. It's got no ears, no eyes, all this sort of thing. And, uh, they all like— I'm gonna fuck it up, go listen to that podcast. But essentially They all open up or whatever at a certain time, right, around the world. And you can cut off a piece of coral, put it in London in a bucket, and within the exact same time, it will open up with all of its friends. Like, it knows. Isn't that fucking clever?

Tommy: That's magic.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: How weird. Is that why they were talking about it? Because it's sort of magical. Yeah, just talking about—

Josh: yeah, just the whole— yeah, just fucking common. I mean, if that—

Tommy: how about, how about glow worms? Have you ever seen glow worms?

Josh: I don't find that too— I mean, that's— you're describing—

Tommy: that's fucking magical.

Josh: What's new now?

Tommy: How about this? How about, uh, um, the shrimp? There's a certain type of shrimp that can heat up 1,000 degrees. Look at that. Look up this, um, says it like built-in barbecue. It like, um, heats the water around it. And so it's a— it's like a— one of the most savage killers in the— in the sea. But it's so small. And so it's some kind of killer shrimp.

Josh: Uh, yeah, absurd creature of the week. This is from Wired. The feisty Shrimp that kills with bullets made of bubbles. Fuck, no, that's not it. But geez, that's shrimp.

Tommy: I know, that sounds like— that sounds it.

Mason: Oh my God, they travel at 97 kilometres an hour.

Jess: Yep.

Mason: And reach temperatures of 8,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

Josh: I mean, without burning themselves, are they cooking themselves?

Mason: Yeah, well, they stay alive because they're shooting them out. I don't know how they make—

Tommy: What about electric? What about electric eels? Like, isn't this shit like— If you really go deep, go— You don't want to go to the ocean.

Josh: Oh man, what do you think?

Tommy: The ocean's fucked.

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Jess, do you believe in aliens?

Jess: No.

Tommy: But she believes in, um, in the lady in Bendigo that tells your future.

Josh: Is that true?

Tommy: You believed in tarot card readers but not that there could be some kind of extraterrestrial force?

Josh: What's—

Tommy: it's not E.T. We're not talking E.T., Jess. We're talking about a potential sort of life form that we don't understand.

Mason: Are you talking about little bacterias or are you talking an actual—

Josh: when you say little bacterias, I feel like it sounds boring.

Mason: Well, so you're talking about a being, like a, like a thing that can move? Like, that's walking.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, yeah, what is it? Whatever that is. What is it being?

Mason: I don't know.

Josh: Define it.

Mason: It's alive. Something that's alive.

Josh: Is coral a being?

Jess: Yes.

Mason: I don't know. Is it being?

Jess: If you, you, uh, on that front, Josh, I've done a lot of, um, like watching of documentaries and like research.

Josh: Documentaries don't make it. Anyway, go on. Is this going to be about the gurus? Because it can't be fucking—

Jess: it was going to be about the coral and how amazing it actually is. I feel like like you didn't get the conversation you wanted.

Josh: I didn't put— Well, do you think— Yeah, go on. What do you think about the coral?

Jess: Well, the reason they— I don't know how to say this nicely. Like when they reproduce, like they—

Josh: When they fart. Is that what you're going to say?

Jess: When they let off their—

Josh: Oh, so when they ejaculate.

Jess: Semen into the waters. Yeah, they do it once a year and it has to be the most perfect temperature. Otherwise they can't let it go. And because, you know, the coral is—

Mason: They're fucking up.

Tommy: They're fucking up.

Mason: They're facing global warming. Jesus.

Jess: Well, no, that's the whole issue. That's coral bleaching because when the waters get too warm, they can't do it.

Tommy: Ah, so it's the equivalent of blue balls. It's white balls.

Josh: Yeah. Actually, that would be funny. We should change Tommy's bio just to be the description of coral to see if we can fix that one.

Tommy: What is the construction of— just of what?

Josh: We'll just confirm once a year, but it's got to be the perfect timing and climate change can fuck it up. Yeah, go on, go on. Sorry, Jess.

Jess: Um, yes, I do think that there is probably something out there, but I don't think that there maybe is, um, like— I don't think they're like us, civilized. Is that the word you'd say?

Tommy: Yeah. I reckon they could be civilized.

Josh: Well, they could be civilized. I do believe in aliens.

Jess: Well, I don't know. Do you? Are we calling them aliens? Can't we just call them—

Tommy: Yeah, well, I think you— Well, I think you got to make the distinction between humans and other things that aren't—

Josh: So, an alien, an alien is— Outside of humans. So, outside of this world, I guess, is the question.

Mason: Anything, yeah.

Jess: Yeah, I did. My mind went straight to aliens in big circular disc spaceships.

Josh: I mean, technically, yeah, an alien is just anyone that belongs to a foreign country. A foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalised citizen.

Mason: No.

Josh: A hypothetical or fictional being from another world. Another world, I think, is what I'm talking about when I say aliens.

Mason: I reckon they'll be more advanced, to be honest. You think it's too advanced for us to even realize?

Josh: But what's it— this year, guys, you go—

Tommy: this year the Pentagon has released, uh, information. They've said that they have off-world vehicles not made on this Earth, and that's from the fucking Pentagon. And so this is just sort of the, the thought is that it's like so much crazy shit's happening in the world that if they drop some stuff in now, no it's, it's hasn't got the interest level that it once had. And so then they start releasing it. That's their plan. And everyone's so accustomed to the thought of aliens and that they're here and that they're existing, uh, from movies and everything. But if they've got vehicles like UFOs, like you're saying, Jess, there's, um, Bob Lazar. Do you know of Bob Lazar, Jess?

Jess: No.

Tommy: You should watch a documentary about Bob Lazar. He's a guy that is— was supposedly working, uh, at Area— is it Area 61? Area 61. Um, he's working on these crafts.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: And so he says that these crafts exist, and he describes getting into one and seeing it, and, and he said that he's seen them activated and lifting up. And he said that some of the things that have become known is the stuff he was talking about.

Josh: It wasn't the existence. Area 51 is an MMA.

Tommy: That was the nightclub I went to in St. Kilda. No, that's where I went. It was Area 61.

Josh: One is a CrossFit and MMA in Bateman's Bay.

Tommy: Area 61, St. Kilda. I've had some big nights there. Yeah, it was, it was a bar in St. Kilda, Area 61. There's a fucking lot of aliens there, mate.

Josh: I looked like one too.

Tommy: I was lit. But it's very fascinating, and it's— and it's— I think he's a weird character though, quite open. Yeah, he is. But I think it's like when he was on Joe Rogan, he was like—

Mason: I was like, man, my head's hurting, just like real strange quirks. And he's just like, because I can't get my head up. Yeah, I don't know, he was just trying to remember. Imagine he's like, man, my head hurts, and just like, imagine it's very weird.

Tommy: Imagine having information in your head that no one believes is true. And so regardless of if you think it's true or if you even feel like you've experienced that situation, no one believes you. Like, there is a huge amount of people that are like, dude, you're fucking off your face. Yeah, I don't want to believe that.

Josh: Well, have you heard— so I was watching, um, you know, the Winklevoss twins Yes, they were in The Social Network. They were in it, really?

Mason: I don't know, he's done it, he's done it like twice on the show.

Josh: Really? Does he think he's the Winklevoss twins of the Daily Talk Show? He's going to come after us because he came up with the idea. But anyway, so the Winklevoss twins, Jess, do you know about the Winklevoss twins?

Tommy: No.

Josh: Have you watched The Social Network?

Jess: No.

Josh: You've got to watch that film, it's great. Oh, can you watch it tonight, please?

Mason: Yeah, you're not doing a watch party, are you?

Tommy: Are we doing a watch party for it? And which one? Because she may be disappointed if she stumbles across the one, you know, the, the shittier one. There's a couple.

Josh: Is there? I don't think there is.

Tommy: Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of the Apple.

Josh: I'm thinking of Apple. Um, same, uh, screenwriter, uh, Aaron Sorkin, uses index cards. Anyway, the, um, Winklevoss twins went to— is it David Portnoy, the guy who founded Barstool Sports? Yep, a podcast network and all that sort of thing. Anyway, uh, they were explaining Bitcoin, right? So apparently the Winklevoss twins, uh, hold the most amount of Bitcoin in the world, right?

Mason: Really?

Josh: And you know what they were saying, the reason why you should invest in Bitcoin versus things like gold.

Tommy: Why?

Josh: Because apparently Bitcoin has like a static— like there is, there is, there is no more new Bitcoin. It just needs to be mined, right? Like there's— it's a stat— it's a static amount. It's sort of like stable. What they were saying was, uh, Elon Musk is going to be doing asteroid mining And so asteroid mining for like precious gold and stuff. So what they're saying is it's like the way they said it, which I don't think this is actually how it happened. He's like, yeah, like gold in the future could just be like raining from the sky, basically.

Mason: Yeah, well, I mean, they're as— they're like asteroids and meteorites. And I mean, maybe it's not a meteorite if it— meteorites have to hit Earth potentially, I don't know. But whatever it is, like you can get foreign bodies from space that like have so much, uh, have so many minerals on them that it makes everyone in the world like a trillionaire. Like, there's, there's that much stuff that you could just collect and bring back to Earth. And then yeah, of course it depreciates it, like it brings down the value of everything.

Josh: It's a pretty crazy thought, don't you think?

Mason: It's outrageous.

Josh: I mean, what does that mean?

Tommy: Wrapping your head around—

Josh: Jess, what do you think?

Jess: I mean, I just feel like if that was to happen though, it'd Like, it'd all even out. Like, everything is relative to what you like.

Josh: But if you've got, if you've got a heap of gold, if you invest in gold and you've had fucking, you know, a million dollars worth of gold, and then all of a sudden someone said, hey, that gold that you have, Jeff down the street got his gold for $2, you're in trouble.

Tommy: You've lost your $2 million.

Josh: It's not worth a million dollars anymore.

Jess: No, exactly. That's what I mean why it's all kind of relative, like.

Josh: What does that mean? What does it mean it's all relative?

Jess: Like if it brings it down, if you can get gold for $2 versus whatever it costs now, it's not really worth that money anymore, is it? Because it's so available.

Josh: Exactly. And so, the thing is it's like, it's not relative in the sense that there's going to be a bunch of people who were perceived rich in 2020 because they've got all this gold. But it's not worth anything anymore. It's like if you had $50 grand in the bank, if all of a sudden like, hey, that $50 grand can only buy you 3 coffees from like an average coffee place, no almond milk, you're fucked.

Jess: Yeah, it's like when you go overseas.

Tommy: To be honest, if— imagine if there was a, uh, tomorrow every, every single— what, what cards are you getting? What are they, Q cards?

Josh: Index cards.

Mason: Index cards.

Tommy: Index cards, uh, somehow disappeared from the earth and then Josh has the last 4,000. You'd be the richest man.

Josh: Yeah, I'd have $4 trillion potentially. It's huge. It's massive when you put it that way. Fuck, it's a good investment. All right.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Um, anything else just to report? Anything to— any, um, suggest— so I'll give a, um, I like Weekend Banter being a bit of a recommendation moment. I think I've spoken about them, but I've never shown them. I would— I had this for, um, my breakfast. It's a, it's a silly breakfast, but I did it anyway. Uh, the company is Tasty, T-A-S-T-Y, proudly New Zealand owned since 1932. It's the Nut Butter Whole Food Balls. Cacao brownie. These things—

Tommy: oh yep, new brand in our Coles. Yes, Woolies or whatever.

Josh: Woolies, I think. So it's got the ingredients list is on the back because I'm trying to be good with sort of the ingredients that I'm putting, you know, trying not to do refined, as much refined shit. Uh, dates, peanut butter 22%, coconut, soy protein, cacao, almonds. Yeah, date syrup into natural flavoured and sea salt. It's pretty good.

Mason: There's not many ingredients.

Jess: I don't know why you haven't gone and made the protein balls today.

Josh: Well, so that's what— so I bought the dates. Oh, I did buy the dates that you said, and I started just fucking eating them from the bag.

Mason: They are so yummy.

Josh: Yeah, and also I got the cashews. What else was in them? So there was cashews, dates, cacao, protein.

Mason: Sure, you put like flaxseed Flaxseed meal or something like that.

Josh: Oh, that was the thing I didn't have. Chia, no.

Mason: Chia seeds.

Josh: Was it flaxseed seeds?

Jess: I use coconut flour.

Josh: That's right.

Jess: I don't use flaxseeds, but you could probably pop them in.

Mason: Yeah, it should go hard. Just fill it out with everything.

Josh: So that's my recommendation. And it was just easy, but Jess, I do want it. Bree's concern is, and she actually said this last night, she said, if we eat the balls, you're going to eat them all. I was like, fuck yeah.

Tommy: Well, if you make the balls, if you make the balls, is that what you meant?

Jess: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Make the balls you ate, a heap of them.

Jess: No, you have to limit yourself to one a day.

Josh: Yeah, and so Bree said you can't do it. 'Cause I've been having, like yesterday I had 9 cans of sparkling water. But the fucked up thing is, still dehydrated. Was pissing like fucking piss.

Tommy: How many coffees did you have though? How many coffees did you have?

Josh: So I had 9 cans.

Tommy: What are you eating? Like there's so much more to it.

Josh: So I'll tell you what I ate yesterday.

Tommy: I actually, I didn't want to know.

Josh: I'll tell you. So I had black beans with capsicum, jalapeños, and 3 eggs. I had 3 protein balls. I had— 4, didn't you?

Mason: Because you had one at night.

Josh: Yeah, 4. Yeah, thanks, fucking bitch. Half a smoothie, a handful, like a very small handful of cashews.

Mason: Yeah, grapefruit.

Josh: Ah, and, uh, and a grapefruit on the—

Tommy: Yeah, there's something going on though. Maybe can you, in your water, just sprinkle a little bit of Himalayan salt?

Josh: So I've been— So the— This is the thing, the, uh, the, the eggs and stuff, I've been salting very well.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't know, something's going on. Well, I reckon you're not absorbing the water.

Mason: Can you do it? But no, wouldn't they be absorbing the water?

Josh: But Sev, just quickly, like on the absorbing the water thing, if you're not absorbing the water, wouldn't it be clear and you'd just be pissing all the time?

Tommy: No, no, that's like you, you'd— oh wait, dehydrated, you're saying you wouldn't piss at all?

Josh: So what are you saying?

Tommy: Because if you're— I'm saying that you're needing— your body's not absorbing the liquid. So you can drink liquid, but your body's not absorbing it to hydrate yourself, and so you're not hydrated.

Josh: But if I was— if it was not absorbing, then it would just be coming through, so it'd be pissing clear. So mine is—

Tommy: but that's not the—

Josh: I'm like pissing—

Tommy: no, because you piss— when you piss clear When you— it's disgusting, isn't it? It's fucking putrid. When you piss clear is when you are hydrated, you're healthy. So you're not hydrated.

Josh: So you're saying if you're not absorbing it, uh, so if you are—

Tommy: look it up, water absorption. It doesn't— just because you're smashing a litre of water doesn't mean that you're— yes, it's good and you should be doing it, but there is something else. That's what I'm saying. There's something that is going on. Around the actual absorption and hydration coming from the water.

Mason: Could you as well switch out?

Tommy: Could you switch out with normal water?

Jess: Yeah, water in your kidneys. You're still flushing out all of the shit that you've been eating for the past couple of weeks.

Josh: It could be that.

Tommy: 30 years.

Josh: Actually, you know what? I reckon you are spot on. All right, no, you're right. You know what? I haven't eaten meat all week. And so I reckon you are spot on. I reckon it's literally I'm pissing beef stock because it's still fucking in my system.

Tommy: I don't think you're eating enough meat, like, to be— I went on a carnivore diet.

Josh: I was eating a lot.

Tommy: You're just eating shit, shitty, shitty versions. Like, if you're eating burritos and fucking just crappy food, yeah, it's— that's, that's, that's not you eating a lean meat diet. So you can't say that, like, there's people healthy on lean, like, just meat diets.

Josh: And so, but there's a toxicity to it, isn't there? Isn't it like if you like like if you go from eating heaps of, if you go from one diet to, like if you radically change your diet, not like, what do they call it? Like a D, like I'm going on a—

Tommy: Cleanse.

Josh: Cleanse, cleanse. So like cleanses are a bit fucking bullshit, but the thing is like surely my body is changing to what I'm eating now, no?

Tommy: But you've been mentioning the pissing butter for about 7 years. So it's nothing new in that respect.

Josh: Well, no, so I have, so the reason why I have that is because 60 to 70% of the time, pissing clear. But then, so I wake up this morning and I piss, I'm like, fuck, what's going on?

Tommy: Like I had heaps of water. But overnight, you know that overnight you can become dehydrated.

Josh: Okay, so maybe dehydration. So I'm pissing clear during the day, but I'm just surprised that in the mornings.

Jess: Oh my God, that is literally everyone, like even the healthiest people, the most hydrated people do that.

Josh: All right, well, so that's what we worked out. Out, so I'm fine.

Jess: You're right, you're pissing butter at like—

Josh: No, no, no, yeah, no, I'll go just clear one right now, I reckon.

Jess: Oh, you can give us something to be worried about.

Josh: Okay, I mean, what if you go back?

Mason: What if you just tried switching out with those 7, that amount that you have in 7 or 9 cans of that water into that still water, into still water, and see what happens?

Josh: Yeah, I need to do an experiment. The thing is, I just need a nice vessel to have them in. The The big plastic thing is annoying. The fucking— oh my God, the privilege here. Fungus thing.

Tommy: Fucking privilege.

Josh: I need to get a little Voss bottle. Yeah, spot on.

Mason: Get a Voss bottle. And then they really even—

Josh: what, the factory?

Jess: Showered in your water.

Tommy: Is that a place? I didn't know that. Voss, tell me about it.

Jess: Yeah, um, yeah, Voss, uh, Norway. Um, yeah, I went there. I've got a picture with a sign at the front.

Josh: And so, what is the actual— where you— did you— can you bring your own bottle and fill up?

Jess: I'm sure you could have if you wanted to. There was like a lake there. I can't really remember it that well. We were there for like a night. Yeah, that's all I've got for you. I'm sorry.

Josh: That's all right. The first premium water enhanced with Aquaman.

Mason: I mean, you're just filling it up with normal water after the fact.

Josh: Plant-based water complex.

Jess: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: Well, but yeah, you know, if there's one takeaway from today, guys, go and drink some water.

Josh: Yeah, but also it's fine if you're pissing not like butter, but like, you know, not clear in the morning.

Jess: Yeah, and also you should have a glass of lemon water in the morning.

Josh: So Bree had been making, so Bree has been making a concoction with apple cider vinegar or whatever. It's like, fuck it, like it's a It's a—

Mason: is it yum? What does it taste like?

Josh: Yeah, it tastes like— no, I like it because it tastes like drinking out of like a pickle jar, but Bree doesn't like it.

Tommy: It sounds disgusting.

Josh: Anyway, all right guys, howgoodweeklytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. How are you going? Yeah, all right, see ya.

Tommy: We love you. Bye. See you guys.