#684 – Exclusives With Peter Shepherd/
- April 16, 2020
We chat about what Pete’s up to, Tommy’s Heidelberg adventure, consumption, COVID couples, Zoom hacks and business in a time like this.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– What Pete’s up to
– Tommy’s Heidelberg adventure
– COVID couples
– Asking someone out
– Zoom hacks
– Moving forward
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 684
Welcome back to the show. Pete shepherd.
Come to us live from Atlanta.
From Elwood, how are you Matt? How Southside
it's great. We're happy down here. We
might What happened to you? Right? It's you, would you Okay.
Good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.
No, I was a little thrown by the delay, but I'm okay. I'm back. Here we go. Alright. What do you think it was? Well, I saw it always. Well, TJ to answer your question,
what are you doing at the moment? I mean, what's what's the day to day look like for
Peter ship it? It looks very similar. Honestly, most of my work remains. So I'm very privileged and lucky in that sense, and I've been working instead of from a co working space, I'm just working from home so everything remains very much intact. Other than I'm spending a lot of time in my apartment, which you know, has its pros and cons.
You throw in the towel, you're gonna not go back to the CO working space. I think a lot of people are gonna be like that. That's that was 800 bucks a month that I don't need in my life.
It's definitely it's definitely crossed my mind or at least relocating. I don't need to go to Collingwood. You know, I'm perfectly happy. Staying Bayside or going to South Melbourne a bit. Yeah, definitely considering what that 800 600 however much it was, what that money was for and whether I need to spend it.
Jim is not happy that you're not sitting in front of the map. What happened? The maps,
I'm looking at the map, I actually want to get more of a global view as we were talking so I'm staring at the map. I've got New York in the background, Jim if you want to say New York,
yeah. So yeah. I mean, that's it. This will be a candle next to that because New York's not doing too well at the moment. Your friend to try. Who you co host your podcast with Jen does she live in New York.
She does. They've been lucky that her in the family have escaped. Basically, they flew out to stay further north out more in Massachusetts to get out of the Greater New York area because it's too bleak, bleak place at the moment.
Yeah, what happens with all like people who because you work with a bunch of people who are in like, Broadway and stuff? Is any of that happening
now, like the whole thing doesn't exist. So there's a bunch of a whole industry basically disappeared overnight. And so there's a bunch of creative and interesting projects, like, you know, like the comedy Fest, for example, in Melbourne, how they try to take some of that online. There's some things like that happening in New York. But for the most part, an entire industry just disappeared overnight, essentially. So pretty cool.
I'm gonna take I'm gonna tell you a story right now that is clearly a absolute lack of social distancing being sort of displayed here in specifically, specifically in Heidelberg. No, this is not a Tommy study. This is a fucking I don't know what you call this Tommy Well, I'm not angry. I'm just fucking it's a big setup. We weeded out guys. I'm weirded out, I felt I had adrenaline going. My heart was racing. And it was it was a little scary. So I've been a bit sick big pate, wanted to sort of do something that would lead me to get some fresh air sort of get that immune system sort of slowly, slowly sort of picking back up. I heard that sort of slow walking or just a slight walk for 20 minutes, just like walking slow. Walk. Sorry, I mean, what I meant was not a firewall. Not a long walk, but just a short walk. Sure. Well, that's it slow short, actually. Anyway, it was pretty fucking slow, but it picked up the speed. So I went and drove to this park in Heidelberg, there's a river there's the Yarra River that flows through it goes, you know, all the way through Blaine and then, you know, further into the city. And so this beautiful spot, there's like kangaroos and cheat around here. And I thought I've never been there. I drove pulled into this car spot. And I liked it got into sort of some bushy bushy area and I thought I, there's no sort of clear path I need to get down towards the river. And I want to walk along the river's edge, right. So I saw like, sort of a trail that led me down. And as I was walking through, and I've noticed a few people as I was sort of going, no one in this specific area, and I got down towards the river and got sort of real shrubby and the trial was quite sort of small. I sort of saw a sort of colour in the bushes I was like Oh, what's that? could be someone could be a homeless person. There's a lot of people that sort of sleep in these you know, these areas along riverbanks and stuff intense. Anyway, I kept walking got to the river. It was still pretty shrubby and I noticed sort of like a tent that was completely flattened. And it was obviously someone had lived there. Anyway, I
could, I mean, where it's going is the same type of we're having sex did that cross your mind at this point?
Not at all because I'm like, this is fucking This is like a shrub shrub. shrubby area in a lovely spot like along that edge.
Have sex though if you're going to
be doing that, how do you know so much expert know what I just feel like? Boy,
that's not a thing. I feel like that's the thing. Well, I didn't
that didn't cross my mind at all. And then I bumped into this dude. And he was just look like, you know, it could be it could be paycheck with dad, to
be honest, basically touched him physically,
like, No, I just thought it was a guy that sort of looked like he'd have a lovely son like Pete Shepard, you know, that's what I'm saying. That's the vibe. And I said to him, How annoying. I was hoping those would be nice track alongside the river. And he's like, yeah, and then I went back and sort of cut back through and he kind of followed me back and then I go out into the open again. I was gonna try another path. And then I saw another dude head back. Then my mind started going to the area of dog, maybe this isn't, maybe this isn't just a place that people go for a nice wander. And so I jumped on The phone I had it my air pods in. At that point my heart was racing because I realised that there was a lot of men around this area. And I had my little pink salmon short shorts on and I just typed black T msmes on. And I called my brother as it might, because it's near his place I was I don't Is this it? I mean Heidelberg near the river. Is this a fucking gay base or something? And he's like, hang on, where are you? And there's a derogatory term which I won't say that the bike riders call this place. It's it is bend and they use a term at the start. And it's the basically the area it is it's called the bend and they put a word in front the by the bicycle community that ride through there. Anyway, he's like a mate. Then In fact, there's a dude following me. I might I'm I wandered down. He I didn't know what was going to be. And there's people everywhere. And he's not my guy. He's like, they're gonna be coming for you big boy Shannon Tony says
Sounds dodgy Christian health story which
is I got, I was like, I'm out here and I walked towards the car back. And then this guy coming toward me, and it looked like a PT to send some sort of tight, you know, exercise gear on. He goes into the bushes, but he's looking back at me like he just wanted me to just follow him. It was full on guys. It reminds
people on Tick Tock that's like the trending Tick Tock at the moment where someone sits up, they set up a story. And they say, I'm I was I was standing around out the front of my house. And a guy said that the NFL of KFC
Well, yeah, they're all different. But this was Yeah, like the people doing different versions, but they're like, yeah, and he said, that if I sacked you, Duke, he'd give me a pencil. You know, it's disgusting, but we went over that way too. So
holding the pencil
Do you tag me that Did you send me a Mac is one or something like that?
Yeah, there was the AFC one there was like it was case. Yeah, there's there's a lot of there's ones where it's a lady says, I hear this guy came up to me and said, If you show love if you show me your tits, I'll give you a chocolate bar. I said
what he said, Yeah, you show me your tits, and I'll give you a chocolate. But anyway, he went over there and she's done. She'll come back. It's very fun.
It's good to see in a similar one with toilet paper as well. When in demand, there was someone that did it with toilet paper as well.
Yeah. What do you think assuming pate in regards to content at the moment,
actually less than normal. It's really interesting. I'm finding I'm listening to less podcasts. I'm consuming less audiobooks, but they would still be the two main things I'm trying to consume podcasts and audiobooks. And just for some reason, I'm consuming less I think maybe because I'm not commuting as much like it doesn't take long to walk from my bedroom to my study. So I don't need to put a podcast in in that sense. So it's still just kind of the same, but less.
Yeah. Okay, what about news
None. Not at all. No, I haven't watched that Tiger show that everyone's talking about. I'm like, this is the pushback.
I get what? What is your push back on targeting?
I just I don't I don't I don't have any interest or any time to sit down and watch that show. I just it doesn't bother me. It doesn't interest me.
with them. What do you what are you doing it not let's like, you know, you're at home. Yeah, you've just cooked dinner. Probably beans and chicken
was he's just, he's now in a relationship. He's got to go.
Yeah, yeah, I have. Yeah.
And so I've spent so is that is that that taking your time? I know. It's only like
a couple of nights a week we'll hang out. But the other nights I don't know. I'm having my dinner. And I think listening to a podcast today I'm still just listening to podcast. I don't sit down and watch Netflix. It's just not a thing that I do.
So you know, Netflix. Like said that's not a thing that you do as a couple. What are you doing not once we haven't turned the TV on once. We talked puzzles. We know he like Converse like communication like sitting on the couch type of thing.
Like dialogue Yeah. Having conversation I don't know like can you relate conserves were like, is he just been talking to someone recently hasn't?
Yeah, I can relate but we I mean we are doing Netflix parties as well so i mean but yeah you do get caught up in the talking like you can go like for four hours or whatever and by then it's like a done event Netflix Now is
the time to be to be fair you're 12 Dave, I'm six days. There's a few years between, you know, you and you and Bray and Amy and I've been together nearly 20 years.
Sort of in you incorporate some Netflix and stuff. Just a
little honeymooners. Josh Yeah, there's
about Pete there's the there's the the questions. Have you used any of the questions I've been posting on Instagram?
I actually I committed to you that I would try a few and I've experimented with a few Some of them are great some of them not so much but there was a couple of Aurora
what was the standout for you paid?
I think I liked the one that was around Do you sleep on an aeroplane that was it that started a good conversation because you're
such a baby when it comes to the plane
what's your behaviour lock on I got why my baby
lying at the front normally be comfortable six foot seven you
got to be comfortable
and so what is a what is a fly at the front because I've got that
and so is Tracy a sniper on applying
now we uncovered that she's not unless you've she's had some sort of Xanax or something to knock her out basically. So it's more of a more of a sitting up conversing type situation for when if and when we're allowed to travel. Do you
think that there's a difference but if you're getting in into relationship during a lockdown, don't you think that potentially Like when you, you know fall in love on a trip to Hamilton Island? Do you think that you're gonna get this sort of 19 version? And then you're gonna realise that you completely different people.
I think it's the opposite than the Hamilton Island situation because what happens when you're on a holiday when you meet someone is that everything is some flowers and rainbows and you're on a holiday and you're in a great mood. Or as what's happening in the middle of COVID is there's like nothing to do. There's no interesting experiences to go in. Yeah, what's
this this is this is
what's happened fate.
Exclusive. I did sort of do the current affair style thing which which is a exclusive graphic which I thought could be funny if I if I felt like we'll get an exclusive I
wasn't sure if that was just on my end. And I was like, I'll just
to be honest with you, I didn't even know Pete had a girlfriend. was the exclusive to me. I hadn't heard that. So yeah, just don't don't have to. We don't have to get into your relationship but I was doing them. Crystal Leah, who's a comedian who's got Netflix new Netflix special outfit, you wouldn't know about it because you don't watch Netflix, but it's really great if you wanted to see it. I think it's called no pain. He He's pretty private. But he I mean, he has a podcast and does stand up show. So he does reveal a bunch about his life. But I just heard him talk today on Joe Rogan's podcast. He's like, yeah, had a kid two months ago. The fuck? Never heard that. He even had a podcast. And he's good. And he's just he's had a kid and now we're talking about obviously human Jove talked about it. So it was, it was kinda like there been all this pre preamble before, as you do with your mate, but then it was just at this point. It is a weird thing. I mean, public relationships are very public these days. Thanks to social media Josh, Josh and Jordan. It's um, how do you feel? Are you a private guy do you think paid?
Usually? Yeah, I would say that I am and but what's interesting about the circumstances of COVID is that like, we're probably gonna if and when the everything gets lifted and all of a sudden you're out socialising with your girlfriend who you've been with for six months. And everyone's gonna be like wow, this is new and fresh in your mind. No, it's not this has been happening for six months. So like that behind closed doors element feels a lot more amplified at the moment because everyone is literally behind closed doors.
What about with your clients? So you coach people where it's you know, you're putting them first you're trying to help them but how do you make a decision to I guess it's like a psychologist in some degree. You just less educated to be honest. Let's study my free life coach, absolutely no business life coaching.
Coaching qualifications in
here as well.
Really glad I can get Coming up.
How often do you talk personally with the clients about your life
and what's going on? Pretty rarely, it varies based on client, some clients I've been working with long enough where we're now just friends. And so it might be that the last little portion of the call of the meeting, we spent just like catching up as friends. But for the most part, it's nothing about me and all about the client. So that probably feeds into your point of everything is probably a little bit more private, just by the nature of my work is I don't need to sit around and talk about myself because that's not what I get paid to do.
What like, what's the deal in regards to announcing relationships? Like I feel like it's easier potentially when you're younger, you update your Facebook, and it's all public. But with something like this, like what's the you can come on a podcast and I can do it for you. But like, What?
What's the other options? We intentionally messaged a few friends, which it would be the sort of thing that would come up in a call Have a session if you are allowed, or you saw each other, but we can't do that anymore. So we intentionally messaged a few friends a couple of weeks ago, and just let them know.
It was that, like, Did you do it like, a little bit trying to do send it to some you send it to others in a group by message? What's the
what was, it was kind of like a Groupon message. You know how I feel about this? It was like it was a couple of moments where you're sort of trying to hint at give someone a hint, like what's been going on? Who have you been hanging out with and then I don't really reciprocate, I'll ask the question, say like, Okay, well, that's a missed opportunity. So in the end, you just got to comment and say, I just thought you might want to know this has happened. So it was a bit of a divide and conquer. I told a few people Tracy told a few people and now I just broke it on a podcast, thanks to Josh
and Louise's little snippet as well.
I am pretty curious, because I mean, when did I get with me when I was 2024 or something? I'm trying to work out. How old are you Pete? 30 you're my age. Right Ida? Yeah. 30
I didn't. Yes. Do you say? Do you want to be my girlfriend? Is that what you do? You want to be my girl? Yeah. How did it?
How's that work? Are we really going into this?
I'm all just like, we can all use this as an example for selves who's
Like, it's good.
I probably could have just added this in post to be honest.
It looks better in real time. And so yeah.
It came up, it came up in a conversation, TJ have something like, Tracy said something like, Oh, we should pick it. Like, we need a date, as in a date to mark when we, you know, started dating or became official. And I said, Oh, yeah, I guess we do. And then she was like, I should it be last week? And I was like, Oh, yeah, I guess I should ask you first though. So I said, do you want to be my girlfriend gonna be my sidekick? And she was like, yeah, so we made it from that day onward. So yes, I did ask and now I'm cringing awkwardly in my chair, as I tell you that
it's great. I mean, it's a better outcome than what happened to Josh and is aiming to be my girlfriend. She said know what she said not now. And I persist. It's
not No, that's not now.
Well, it's almost like Why not? I've heard that. But why not is as close to that as well. Let's got Josh got knocked back but
yeah, go back three three times. Yeah.
And he had the classic sales approach you know, and no is not a no
no actually no i did the whole thing were just completely. I said initially I'm like, Look, I can't be friends then. I'm just like, it's too hard for me. Also, I ultimatum. Yeah. So I did that for four weeks, where I just like, went cold.
yeah. Well, it took a few months after that.
Yeah. But um, yeah, Tracy said yes, luckily, so I didn't have to wait three months. So the two months play hardball.
Yeah solid. So
I want to see like
we can I can I ask you a question and be like yes nice this time it saves saves and grace have talked about is this a conversation that's happening in these four walls so
yeah, I mean yeah I mean yeah we've had the we've had the conversation where where thing which is was really nice on the right price and Ira thing, yeah.
What is that? What does that mean? What is the thing man? What does
wellness away say?
Say it came up the other day in chat and I I was sort of calling out just calling it out just for Banta and
everything starts with just good banter. Oh, and then
when and then we and then we went into it sort of just seriously and talked about it and yeah, she She's heaps of fun and so yeah, we're waiting.
this is honestly the first time I'm hearing it and I'm
screwed. It says good. Oh my good Banta people are loving it.
Is that strong? It is amazing. You've got
a lot of love coming in. nice warm. Connection. Thank you.
James. This is
Harry wants to know is it Tracy? The voiceover from nine news. Do you know distracts? You do the voice?
No, it's not sorry.
It's voiceover Josh. Oh, is that just a last name Tracy fo from nine news.
On maybe these choices.
I just try see voiceover
A slash between the V in the
not enough. She's She said she's a journey. Tracy vo I'm so sorry.
This is great.
Shannon says how great lots of losses you hate and serves, and so on. And so how much how much of when you're starting a relationship in AI so how much of it is talking about what you're going to do when you get out of AI? So starting with you first paid
a first okay?
just so this
is going on, back off. I
turned off the audio but he kept me
going he was getting emotional. It's crossed their mind that we've talked about it a bit like, you know, we're gonna go on what does it look like to go on holiday? What does it look like to go and do activities and do stuff but then at the same time, it's like well What's the point in thinking and worrying about it too much? Let's just enjoy hanging out as we can at the moment. So it doesn't dominate conversation, but it's, you know, it's come up a few times. What about you says,
most, most of the time, it's sort of like what what we end our conversations on. It's like, just like can't wait to get to Melbourne or like, what are we going to do? What Yeah, I mean, we want to we want to do a little road trip when grass gets to Melbourne so
yeah, sorry, that road trip but like, I mean, we'd have to worry about logistics we've done enough about where
are we going? Is it a team road?
Thinking Great Ocean Road survey area.
That'd be high. Yeah, this is good. That's, that's my stomping ground says
yeah. Kate's very good at sort of the Airbnb stuff. Any recommendations on what you know, get an Airbnb, is that the idea? So yeah, that's the plan. Yeah.
Okay. I think why river might be good for you. So I'll pop down to wall river
as they ran down the pub down there.
Yeah, the pumps. Looking good? The cafe's fantastic. You got a few walks, you got a nice page says you'll love it. So we write that right.
That's right. That's great. Hey, have you shifted any of your thinking? I mean, your world hasn't kind of changed my thinking maybe, maybe no, maybe it's a no but around sort of ambition where you want to take your career and what you're doing?
That's a fair question. I think probably at the start of this year, I spoke at Craig hoppers conference and had thought about what it looks like to do more corporate public speaking, and spoke at TEDx late last year. And so I was leaning into that a little bit. And obviously now that is like, not a thing, as in speaking in front of crowds and audiences. So I've essentially taken that from my list of things I'd like to do more of and then instead try to refocus and build and create more and lean into honestly the online learning experiences which I've been lucky enough To be doing for three years, it's now just what does it look like to do more of it? What does it look like to work with Seth a bit more and work with Jan a bit more and do more of the online stuff and less of the leaning into the talking in there? And the sort of face to face stuff? So it's sort of
changed with us or hasn't, there's more people banging on zoom change things for you?
doesn't like really subtle lies in that the barrier that people have some people initially have a bit of a barrier to zoom, like, Oh, I don't know how to use this. I don't know how to work. This is weird. How does it work? Now, it's just like everybody gets it, which is kind of cool. And along the same line, everyone is now an expert on zoom, which is always fun and interesting. Whereas in the past, people are like, Oh, it's new and exciting, and like this is great, but now everyone's got an opinion on how to use it best, how to use it properly, what it looks like. And so there's some interesting nuances that come with that fish and
just know that if someone is delivering that statement and they do not have a microphone plugged in, thank you. Peter, they've got headphones on and they talking through their air pods. And they give advice. Don't listen to them. What's the
have any little zoom hacks are on it like if you're doing a because you've done dumb things like breakout rooms and shit like that. If people want to use zoom beyond the standard thing, what's some easy things you can do?
I think that breakouts is a great one. So what I think about is, the thing that's happened a lot at the moment is people are trying to replicate things that we're doing in person on zoom. And it's just not a good idea. What you should instead seek to do, in my opinion, is leverage the technology to do something better or different. And so the example I use with breakouts is like if you had a conference full of 600 people, and said, Everyone take five minutes to break out into a group of three and answer this question. Go. It would like it'd be absolute pandemonium in person, you couldn't do it. Whereas with breakouts, you can ask one question. Throw people into groups of five at the click of a button and have them connect and talk for five minutes, and then bring them back into the Zoom Room, which is something you can't replicate in person. And it's really, really cool. It's really powerful. It's really like a great way to build connection. So I think that the breakouts is a really underrated function of zoom, essentially,
do you have a certain size that you think is good because we have been doing the bigger zoom calls with their Friday night drinks? And I think going from 25 to like 40, all of a sudden, things are a little bit harder, just being able to view them. Do you have much pressure for brushes?
It depends like it if the 40 needs to be interacting. It's very difficult, obviously. But if they're just sitting there passive, I don't think the number matters that much other than stage fright for DJ precious but I think other than that, it's more of if you want to engage 40 people that's going to take a lot of time obviously. Sure. And so that's where I would say if you're not using breakouts, things like the chat is super helpful. So everyone Tell me what's your favourite song. I'm putting In chat, as opposed to what what are you drinking and put it in chat, as opposed to like, let's go around the room and just sit there for 40 minutes while you wait for every person to give you a description of a glass of water.
Is that feedback on our show? Or, or that was just hypothetical examples. And the yelling around the room drinking so while
I took up 30 minutes when I was
wearing clothes, you might say Yeah, fuck it. The new Do you think with your sort of situation not having changed too much other than the new relationship? WhatsApp I use what are you saying in terms of what you're coaching people on? Or the conversations you're having? Good being geared towards the new world or what the sort of horizons looking like two people like he's a different Yeah. Do you think we're moving into some sort of new Era new world.
I think it's hard to say. But it's hard to see that this won't impact a bunch of stuff in some way. I just don't know what that looks like. I think now it's gonna be more people working remotely, I think now it's going to be more leaders and businesses supporting remote work, and flexible work working from home, in terms of the structure or the nature of the conversations. For me, it's around. How can you help people not think about this as like a temporary thing of like, let's just hold it together and survive until this is all over and then everything will be fine. And we'll go back to normal. It's actually like, how do we take this as a moment in time to pause and think, what are we trying to do as a business? Or what am I trying to do as a leader? And what does it look like to do that? Now, in these circumstances and with the constraints that I have, and do it in a way that's sustainable beyond just the next six months or three months, or however long it's gonna be? So it's more about how do we set ourselves set ourselves up to sort of thrive and lead A lot if you want to use that verbiage as opposed to just survive and exist until we get to the other side, it's like, just more of a posture of like using this time to move forward as opposed to like remain stagnant.
So does that mean that you're looking longer term or shorter term than you were, say six months ago?
I don't know if that's changed. I don't know if that's changed other than the long term, probably the short term view of I mean, I was meant to be in New York at the moment for five weeks. So the short term world in my short term world has changed, in that I'm in a different place than I was meant to be. So I guess in that sense, I've thought a little bit more short term. But I think that I don't think they're unrelated in that if I can think about how I show up in the short term, I want to think about a way that I can show up that extends into the long term. I don't think they're two separate people. I don't think that two separate viewpoints. For me, it's focusing on how I shop now and in the short term, which then Long term
is there. Is there things that you learn studying, like dating, when you're 30? Obviously, it's different than when you're younger, what have you learned about yourself in through, you know, the process of being single, and then also getting used to the idea of commitment and, and all that sort of stuff.
I think what's been really cool. And you and I have spoken about this, JJ is that Tracy and I have known each other for years. So we've been friends for, I don't know, four or five years. And so what's been awesome about that is we have this solid foundation of trust and friendship and connection that existed prior. And not only that, but we're both now essentially mature, not mature, but we're adults, and have our shit together, how they have our lives together a little bit more than we might have five years ago. I think most people by the time they're 30 just have a better idea of who they are, what they like what they're working on, than when you're in your early 20s. Or in jjs case when you're still in high school, like you just it's a different dynamic in that you kind of know yourself a little bit more, which Describe, neither is right and neither is wrong. But what I'm recognising is I have more clarity and what I like and what I want and what I need. And so it is Tracy and we have this existing five year basis of friendship, which means that so much of the tension of getting to know one another like doesn't exist or hasn't happened, which has been really cool.
When we had Matt D Avella Ron, he was spinning some solid dating advice. And I feel like it seems
like a digital for anyone anymore and
you need to, we need to change the programme for a dating programme to how to how to keep a relationship going. Any any advice? For 97 being a little bit older, a little bit more mature. I know that you don't want to mature but you are mature paid I think.
Thanks, man. I appreciate that. I was keen to get advice off service but I think that my advice would be something that Sam's already has his head around really well like really productively, which is focus on your chest. too, a lot of reps on the, on the bench. Have lots of soreness, lots of noise, and spend time communicating and getting to know one another as well but mainly
I'm just so happy. Thanks.
Happy. Sorry. We've just eaten trainers jumped in. He said that hopper has 200 plus on his on his own gone. That's a lot
of people. That's a lot of people. A lot of people.
anyway. Now it's interesting when you set it up sort of. There is probably still stuff in that friendship building. How do you build a nice friendship? How do you personally do it? even outside of relationships Pete like is in You know, boyfriend, girlfriend, boyfriend boyfriend? Like,
I think it's I don't know, I don't know if you can, manufacturer, I feel like it. A lot of these things happen organically and naturally. I think like, if I think about the friend
like Josh's list of questions.
This is the thing. That friendship was natural. It was a blow by blow. strategy
was my little SWOT analysis. It
was whiteboard sessions. It was actually.
Yeah, I looked at my charts on you that you and Tracy were getting back together.
In November, I had it all sort of charted out on my strategy. So it's great. Now what now what is from a friendship point of view? What do you think? What do you think it is? I think it's that you can't manufacture it. It's like, if you spend time doing things that are interesting to you, then you're probably going to meet people who are interested in the same things as you and as a result, you're going to have values that align and that to me naturally creates a connection and creates A friendship so I think it's about not forcing anything which is like I'm gonna go find a friend now or I'm gonna go find a girlfriend now I'm gonna go find a boyfriend. Now. I don't think you can manufacture unless you're Josh Janssen with the 27 point plan.
Outside of that, I don't think he
wants to make it very clear that you want her best friends. As in you and Gemma, she's just been writing that in the comments.
Good to that.
as in gym, I appreciate that she shares and she wants to make it clear that she knew before us about the relationships. Yeah. Well, you said it.
Um, I was thinking about like, this came up based on chatting to someone about potentially starting a podcast and sort of working out some elements before and one of those being your wife or doing something and I think it's probably what you talk to people about a lot. What's your why My pushback, I always love to have pushback on some of these sort of basics that you could read online is very much like a cookie cutter. It's like, we'll get you why you value all this stuff. Right? And that can be a lot of time spent in working out your why for a lot of things, but then in in life, and it's like, the questions it's like that you know, it naturally happening, things sort of shifting quickly, or, you know, you needing to adapt. How much do you think when working at a why for something? How much is this literally, when you are putting something down on paper? Or is it just a arrow pointing in a direction? And then it's all about being able to be agile?
Hmm, I love this question. I feel like the thing about a Why is, I want to say most people's version of the same thing, which is along the lines of to help people get somewhere like most people are fulfilled by helping other people in In some way, and so if that's why you do what you do, that's awesome. What is more important, I think is how you do that. And then the layer below that. So if you think about Simon Sinek Golden Circle, why how what the what is the thing that can change? So what you do might be a podcast. And that is an expression of your why. But over time, you might recognise that the podcast is not actually the thing that you want to do anymore. You and Hamish and you guys talked to me about this. I remember hundreds of episodes ago about it might be that you get down the path and realise maybe it's more like a YouTube channel or maybe it's more like a business that you start that does something else that
Yeah, maybe it's more like a current affair where we're running. It's really
yeah, we try see the voiceover artist. Yes.
I think the
short joke would have been funnier in that case. I guess his his thing was Channel Nine, rather than a counterfeit right? Yeah,
yeah. No, I was just gonna say so I think the Why shouldn't change but the watch should definitely change and be flexible to contexts and circumstances like we're in right now. And we need to get comfortable changing out what but everything should still be in alignment with what or sorry Why we seek to do which is usually a version of helping people get somewhere
Do you think there's cuz there's some kind of a motive or role sort of romantic relationship with the what that is connected to the why so it is podcasting it is. I want to connect with people. But podcasting is the glitzy glammy thing could be at the moment. How much is there work needing to be done on because I think there is some link to it right it's like it's easy I think it's easy to just say that your why your what isn't the why and the what plays a lot into it because the what is what you fucking show up and do every single day.
Well, the one seems more visible to Yeah, but like for a lot of people say with zoom. You can see The the opportunities with doing zoom videos and do it and providing stuff, which normally then you can deconstruct and say, Okay, well, it's because I want to connect with people.
Yeah, I mean,
when I switch to you know, my, but I didn't really
run the exclusive exactly, it's gonna set something up I can
I think I was just gonna say the thing that my friend and co host, Jen Baldwin would say, TJ is I'm not going to look because it's gonna make me laugh. Is it that the content dictates form? So what we should do is in thinking about our Why think about think about the content we want to get out there that that promotes or speaks to or cultivates that why and then the form should come after that. So the form might be a podcast, but the moment we start with a podcast why school of thought is the moment you start with a podcast and try and work backwards. It can become like something that you get lost in or it can become something that you lose interesting because you didn't start with why you're doing and what's the content that you want to get out there? And then let that dictate Well, what's the form it should take? Should it take the form of a podcast? Should it take the form of a keynote will take the form of a blog? You shouldn't start with that.
So detach yourself one, like how do you like I'm guessing you're saying a bunch of different things people are doing? How do you switch it if you're feeling like you're getting into a mode of hang on? Is this actually aligned with my Why? What do you do?
Well, I just I try and review everything I'm doing every quarter and just say, so for me my Why is to help other people see things they can't so that they can change their corner of the world. And the periscope thing has been something that we've built off the back of that. But the thing that I do every quarter is I check in with one of the ones that I have so a blog, one on one coaching group coaching a podcast. Do they still serve me in There's something that's something I want to do and I'm interested in doing. If so cool. And then do they still serve my Why? And then if so cool. If not, then I'll seek to like change or pivot. I don't like the word pivot. But there we go. It's in everyone's vernacular at the moment. But like, can you change that up based on how you're feeling at the end of a quarter?
It is unprecedented time to pay it's Feel free to use.
It is very much I say the pushback, because it's the same sort of pushback around the targeting stuff really.
Is that pivot without purpose is pointless. So the point is, you should pivot with purpose. You don't just pivot because everybody's pivoting. You pivot because you've sat there and thought, what was it that I was trying to do? What is it that I'm now trying to do? And does it require a pivot? So for me, I went through the process of reviewing everything that I do, because everyone around me is like changing everything that they do. And the realisation I had was, I don't need to change anything because I've been working remotely and serving people. Through zoom for years, so I don't need to pivot. But the tempting thing to do would just be to pivot because everybody else is pivoting. Yeah.
I mean, it's using times, like if your business has gone to shit, and your revenue significantly dropped, it would be a thought in your mind, I needed to do something drastic change. But yeah, I wonder they might be people needing to ride it out. The job, this is the thing about the job caper is that you can potentially ride out what is going to be a shitstorm for six to eight months, probably 12 months by the end of it. And so maybe you can come out the other side with not too much of a different operation, but obviously just sort of adapting along the way. But yeah, you're right. It's a good point. The people sort of, you see, I think it's noisy because people in marketing and people in, you know, social media marketing are talking about helping businesses that are in that disaster mode have lost the revenue and so there is confusion in this time, what else do you think is a big, confusing piece of dialogue or, you know, rhetoric going around at the moment in this unprecedented times where a lot of people are pivoting?
That's a very good question. I think one thing, that's one thing that's interesting that Jen pointed out to me, which I thought was really neat was people, people will still want to pay to solve problems. So the point of buying something is usually to solve a problem. And people still want to pay to solve problems. But the point is, everyone's problems now change. So if we're still trying to solve old problems, and get people to pay for them, then we're probably not going to succeed. Because people don't have those problems anymore, so they don't want to pay for them. So if we can pause, I mean, the You and I, and everyone on this call has joked and spoken a lot about what's it for and Seth Godin and always asking that question, like now more than ever has that question become more real. Because now it's like, What is this for? What is the problem that we're trying to solve? I bet it's probably different to the problem we were trying to sell three months ago. So what does it look like to solve that problem? Now? I think again, there's too many cases where people are trying to solve the same problem that we're solving three months ago, but just do it through zoom, and it just doesn't work.
So what happens with something like the AFL like football, that it's, you know, like it's solving a clear problem, but they actually can't solve that problem. Where do you see Shawn, do you? Do they find a new problem to solve? Is there even or is there a different way of solving the same problem?
I think, you know, in a micro way, they're probably doing that. So if I if AFL was all about sport and entertainment, then how do you provide people sport and entertainment, given the constraints that we have, you can't play so you probably just shot all games. You probably still have all of the 40 shows which is still going and there's still Talking about things that are happening in the world. And the ifl Instagram accounts and the club Instagram accounts are playing old highlights because they're trying to entertain. Is it interesting for you as someone who is a supporter of footy? I don't find it interesting at all. But I'm sure there are people that do and so
I don't necessarily trust his opinion he hasn't even seen targeting
you know, just pushing back on your TV in the past to YouTube stations, you prick I put on YouTube.
I put on YouTube alien. Actually, I
would you watch
the daily talk show obviously.
I caught up in your ship just before this.
Now, what did you learn today? What was the key takeaway?
You haven't not like when did you redo the site?
That was like six
months ago, a little while ago.
I'm sure I've checked it. I checked it last time. Which may have been the time that You've changed it but I just liked it. I liked the video of you looking down the barrel talking about your coaching one on one. Hi stuff. I just like it pay us since we've met you, man. I think it's your offering just like what you what you've done and what you've cemented yourself in doing is is very commendable, man. It's great. Thanks, man.
I appreciate that.
Now, whereas I always feel calm, it's you, Craig. There is a calming nature Seth Godin. I feel better after talking with you. And I think it's the I think it's just the the vibration that gets my heart going when you start speaking. It's just
nice. How's your whoop since being in ISO?
It's, it's interesting. We had a little oscillation walk this morning, Josh. And so we made as a pot. Yeah. And my work was pretty happy with that because I haven't done a great deal of long walking.
And so what we're saying is is your heart rate changes your sleeping checklist.
What's interesting is my wife was saying there's a fair bit of anxiety in the air like it's noticing that my heart rate is spiked, my heart rate variability has gone down. And both of those things correlate to more stress. And so what I'm hearing
is going down means that you're more stressed, I would have assumed that higher variability of heart rate would.
So you'd want twice now you you want high variability with a low heart rate, resting heart rate. Interesting. Yeah. And so at the moment, I've had a bit of the opposite. Yeah, the video and so serves to answer your question. That's the thing I've learned my sleep has been pretty good. But my recovery scores haven't reflected good sleep because hot rates being higher heart rate variability is being low, which means anxiety, stress. And I think that'll tell you what, probably just because of the time, there's nothing like falling in love to get your heart
Is there anything that's changed, paid in regards to like what you care about and like, being in a relationship, anything, it's just any perspective, shift
I mean plenty, plenty, I think that I was I was pretty comfortable and content and happy with the life I was living. And then you learn that you can become more happy more content and have more fun when you meet someone that you enjoy spending time with and building a relationship with. So it's kind of just taking everything that was already good and making it even better. And that's been really cool. And I've seen that with you know, with you guys and your relationships and now seven guys. And so now it's just it's cool to have that as well.
If, if saves can make it happen. Anything's possible. Yeah.
It really does. I mean, it was really, clay is a fucking emic It's a lot of unlikely shit happening. Yeah.
Silver Linings. We're looking for silver linings in this shit and we found one
love story, a real love, right?
I feel like definitely there's going to be films that are based around the whole pandemic stuff. Don't
get paid won't watch them though. They'll be too good.
Pop Culture baby. Yeah, it's very tricky. pay you. East, you're doing your labs, you're learning labs.
Yep. So we're doing a monthly Learning Lab still through a podcast in the short of it, which has been really fun. They great.
And so you pick an episode and then do like a theme around it.
Yeah, so we pick an episode and the idea is we turn listening into learning so we build a mini lab workshop using zoom and goes for 60 minutes and we just sort of run them once a month to our listeners. And so we've run two now. We had 40 out of the first one and 30 something the second one and the other been awesome. How do you get them
get amongst it?
there on the website the long and the short podcast calm you can find out everything you need. Thanks for
Thank you pay if you've made your day and go and eat you know have dinner with Tracy or what's the plan.
Now we had dinner last night so I think tonight might just be a do your own thing. kind of situation and then we'll be kind of doing a one day on one day off type of thing is not really but I think that's just how it'll play out today.
Okay what a different time just what a different relationship tonight yep
still man man you've got the tent TJ very similar try to see when you peachy coloured shorts down design just kind of go for a walk in
every invoice fronting
that exclusive type Josh just quickly that
that's to create it not that create an
ad run it across because
the other thing too is I than you sealing the deal with
I was no I thought about it because I was like I wonder if paints can be like half of bringing up on my if I do it in a tasteful way. I think it'd be fine. And then if it backfires. I've got the exclusive graphic. Yeah. And so I probably spent half an hour and I played it to George and that's why George in the comments and It took me a while to get to the gag because to be honest when I was gonna apply it why earlier but I panicked just because I was like I just, I was nervous. And so
that fact me But anyway, Shannon's just said, pate has calmed me right down this afternoon had a rubbish day but I feel quite soon after listening to pay what's nice.
She also says Pete momentarily has the same mid forehead vein that Mason gets when you grill with that grace which is prominent now you got a bit of
blood on the benches
to Dallas. Okay, thanks. Hey,
thanks for having me guys say that you have a good one.