Catfishing & Parenting Advice

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 655 already. Can you believe it?

Tommy: 654.

Josh: 654. I screwed it up because I didn't cut to us. I didn't, I didn't trigger it properly. That's okay, we're good.

Tommy: Oh really? Okay, just a couple of groans, you know, a few shows in, uh, a few shows in for the day. That could be why, Josh, I'll give you that.

Josh: And also, cheers.

Tommy: Cheers. What are you drinking? Oh, look at you. I had the rule, guys, that I would, um, not drink until Friday, only because last week I almost drank every day.

Josh: What have you got there, Seb? Oh, you've got your, uh, a little smoothie.

Mason: Okay, it's a nightmare doing it in reverse.

Tommy: Look at my cup, boys.

Josh: That's very cute.

Tommy: The missus— when the missus is out, I drink from her cup.

Josh: You are living the dream, TJ.

Tommy: I have a ticking time bomb in the car, in the garage. Uh, not— yes, Bodhi, a child bomb. Um, he hasn't done a poo today, and I hope he hasn't himself. He's got no nappy on and he's asleep and has been for 35, I reckon 40 minutes now, which means that he's any moment will get up. And I'll— I've— this is what I've done. I've, I've, um, set up the TV, and so it's going. It's a movie that runs for an hour and a half, so even if he sleeps for another half hour, I can take him upstairs and put him there. But, um, a little later in the show today, I know you guys aren't the people to lean on when it comes to parenting tips, but I want to lean on—

Josh: I'll give you some, you guys.

Tommy: Yeah, I knew that's why I brought it to you, because the guy that would give parenting advice, you're an advice monster.

Josh: Um, but how do you feel about it?

Tommy: I want that.

Josh: Seth's sort of feedback around screens. How are you feeling about it at the moment?

Tommy: I don't know if Seth, when he told us to limit screens until they're sort of 4 or 5, I don't think he factored, uh, you know, working from home and a pandemic breakout. I don't know if that was factored in.

Josh: Yeah, I think the bomb's broken up.

Tommy: Oh my God, can you guys just talk? I'll be back.

Josh: Sure.

Mason: No worries.

Josh: Seb's.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Can we, can we talk about your catfish?

Mason: Yeah, sure. So, if it is a catfish.

Josh: Well, so you received a message.

Mason: You've really doubled down on it now.

Josh: Well, yeah, you received a message from someone who was like, hey, I love you. Like, and, you know, from their city. And they posted a—

Mason: And it wasn't Grace.

Josh: It wasn't Grace. And It was a photo of the person and it had it in the text. It was sent via sort of the Instagram, what is it called? Like, it's like a Snapchat feature.

Mason: Yeah, it's Instagram's disappearing photos in your DMs.

Josh: And so, you received this. Do you know how long this person's been following you for?

Mason: No, I mean, I think it's pretty recent. I would say last couple of days.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And they've said that they've been listening to us. 3 days ago.

Mason: Here you go. Found it. 3 days ago.

Josh: Okay. So, they said that they've been listening since April 30. Yeah. And they're—

Mason: Real specific last year. Yeah.

Josh: And so, I straight away said, not that you were interested anyway, but I said, mate, catfish. Catfish.

Tommy: Catfish.

Josh: What do you think?

Mason: Yeah. I mean, it's looking more and more like it is a catfish.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I'm sorry, I just caught halfway. Are we talking about Grace? Is she not real?

Josh: No, Seb's received a message from someone that was saying that they love him and sent two different messages and then started talking about the show. I don't think this person's legit.

Tommy: Hang on.

Mason: Well, I mean, you went—

Tommy: yeah, I want to— have you read the messages out yet, or—

Mason: no, we haven't read the messages out yet.

Josh: Can you do that?

Tommy: This is juicy. Geez, I didn't know about this.

Josh: Yeah, I did know about it. Obviously everything goes past me.

Tommy: Did you— have you run— at least found the ABN?

Josh: Well, some kind of who is—

Tommy: who is Luke?

Josh: I'll tell you what I did do. Let's read out the messages and then I'll tell you what I've done.

Mason: Okay, so it's hard because all the messages are in the photos that are being sent. So, the questions are in the photos and so, I'm just replying to them. And so, the photo would have been, I don't know, I love listening to the show or whatever. And I was like, how long have you listened for? And I did laughing faces as well. And she said, why are you laughing at me? And then Wrote, every episode since 30th of April last year. Also, just a huge fan of you. Have you watched Tiger King?

Tommy: Mate, well, I mean, this is lovely. This is just— You've never had banter before with a woman.

Josh: No, but it just had it. So, the person had zero posts on their Instagram. It's private. And I think that the photo sent felt like something you'd see on MTV's Catfish.

Tommy: There's a few things here. Great if it is a catfish, because content's king. And, um, as we know, content is king. King, far out. Lion King. No, what's it called? Is it Lion King? No, Tiger King. Yeah, king, got the name in it. Lion King.

Josh: I think it's probably why they call it Tiger King. It's, it's a play on words with, uh, Lion King.

Mason: Lion King.

Tommy: But that— yeah, they also— yeah, he owns tigers. He does own lions as well and a bunch of other weird shit. But so yeah, content, great. Uh, I mean, you're— you can't— it could be— it could be real. You might fall in love with this person.

Josh: No, no, no, no. So I tried to do some investigative work Did a bunch of Googling.

Tommy: God, is stalking now just investigative work?

Josh: Is that right? No, no, no, it's not stalking. It's definitely not stalking.

Mason: Oh no, you absolutely— no, that's stalking.

Josh: What I did?

Mason: Yeah, absolutely.

Josh: Is it illegal?

Tommy: Hang on, fess up. Fess up what you did.

Josh: Are you sniffing?

Tommy: The bum bum cream. It's still on my desk. Okay, Brazilian bum bum cream. I'm just—

Mason: I'm just— hang on, sorry. I've just got a message from Harry saying, hey, how dare you talk about Should I say a name?

Josh: No.

Mason: No, okay.

Tommy: No, don't say.

Mason: How dare you talk about this potential catfish behind her back. Don't let this get between us.

Josh: Okay. So, Harry's obviously been talking because— So, what I did last night was I used a website which gives you a short link. So, I created a short link for the Daily Talk Show. And if you go to that link, your IP address is shown to me.

Tommy: And so, and then, and then a dummy can work this out. You just take that IP, go to the IP lookup, and then you paste it and you can see where they're coming from in the world. Is that what you did?

Josh: Yeah. And so I wanted to see if it was in the city. The thing is that I, I tested it out with Bray, worked a treat just through a text message. And then I, uh, I tried it on Instagram. So I sent a message and said, hey, Gronks. So I wanted to make it seem like it was sort of for everyone. Um, someone called—

Tommy: If you're listening, if you are the person, if you're the person that has sent this message to Mason and we've got it totally wrong, just know this is Josh's behaviour. This is not unnormal. So, almost see it as a compliment that he's just doing what he does.

Josh: But anyway, so I sent a DM through Instagram and Instagram saw what I was doing and did not like it.

Mason: Can we just read out the DM, please?

Josh: Oh, can you? I don't have it. Can you read it?

Mason: Okay, yeah. 'Gronks, thanks for listening to the Daily Talk Show. Have you checked out our new page for our latest announcements?' And then you just put in this link to try find their IP address.

Tommy: You're an animal. You can't do that. You're an absolute— I wasn't saying you're a bag of shit.

Josh: It wasn't official business. It was— that was just me sort of going out on my own and having a crack.

Tommy: How many reds did you have at that point? No, it's getting dangerous.

Josh: No, I don't know.

Mason: Was this on the daily talk show? It was on our daily talk show.

Josh: Okay, well, you don't— what would you do, TJ? I think, Sevs, I think for one you should just ask.

Tommy: I mean, there's, there's— you're not— there's no commitment over, over Instagram message. So hang on, just— can you just run through without us interrupting the text message feed? Or is that it? Have you already done it?

Mason: No. So then, yeah. So, they mentioned, what episode are you on of the Tiger King? Haven't started. But then—

Josh: See the photos. You can't show them. But TJ, I think if you saw the photos, it's got real catfish vibes.

Mason: But this is what I found out. If you screenshot a photo someone sent to you in Instagram, they get a notification. And so I was screenshotting every photo that was coming through because I was like, this is full on. So I screenshotted them, and then, and then they messaged.

Josh: And so when you screenshot them, what's the first thing you do?

Mason: Send them to you.

Tommy: Thank you.

Mason: Um, I gotta find the message. But anyway, she called me out for, um, screenshotting every Or they called me out for screenshotting every, um, yeah, every photo sent.

Josh: So is it too much for Sev to ask her to take a photo with one finger on her nose and one finger covering her right eyebrow?

Tommy: Why would you do that? What does that mean?

Josh: Well, because she wouldn't tell you.

Tommy: I see, I see, I see. And then it has to match up. I mean, these catfish people go to a lot of effort.

Josh: And I did a reverse Google search, couldn't find any photos.

Tommy: But hang on, what's, um, I mean, jumping straight— I mean, it feels malicious. Online dating dead because you're thinking everyone's a catfish?

Josh: No, no.

Tommy: Is that what Nave has done to us?

Josh: Why would the first message be, I love you?

Tommy: Oh, because Mr. 97, love you all. He's, he's really adopted my love you strategy.

Mason: I have, haven't I?

Tommy: And, um, and probably taken a bit too far emailing people directly. He's probably already telling Grace that he loves it.

Josh: Waiting for the— yeah, the weddings are back on.

Tommy: Yeah, weddings are back on. Is that right?

Josh: No, no, he's waiting for weddings to be back on.

Tommy: Oh, he's waiting. I thought you said weddings are back on. Um, yeah, I mean, so just play it out.

Josh: No, I don't think play it out. I don't think, like, if this is, you know, Darren from fucking, um, Collingwood that's chatting to you? We want to know.

Tommy: They don't seem like they're wanting anything. They're just looking for a vulnerable 19-year-old. Are you 20? Yeah, 20. You're 20?

Mason: Yeah, I'm 20. But I reckon this person's less than maybe 15, 15, 16 years old.

Josh: Okay, well, oh really?

Mason: That's my guess. I mean, a little bit.

Tommy: All I'll say.

Mason: And you're trying to find their IP address.

Josh: I didn't realise that they would have been underage. If you are, I would have just blocked.

Tommy: If you are this person, can you please just tell us, are you catfishing or are you legit and in love with Mr97?

Josh: I have a theory of who I think it is.

Tommy: Get in line if that's the case. You have a theory of who it is?

Josh: I don't want to defame anyone or suggest who I think it is.

Tommy: Oh, absolutely not.

Josh: Don't. Maybe I already know who it is. Maybe the IP thing did work. And maybe if you're listening right now, you need to back off.

Tommy: And yeah, I mean, and maybe it's you, Josh. You've got so bored, you've got cabin fever.

Mason: Your IP did come up heaps on that little, um, website.

Josh: The other thing too, VPN.

Tommy: I mean, just get a VPN, you can't— you won't be able to tell.

Josh: Yeah, no, but they would have to— yeah. Don't give them ideas. But, um, uh, Sevs did show me a photo. He was complaining that I'm not smiling in any of the thumbnails, and I said, because you—

Tommy: do you know why?

Josh: Why?

Tommy: Because you do look like you're concentrating on switching. Like, your eyes are never towards the camera unless it's on you and you're doing a piece to camera. There we go, we got a nice thumbnail there. That's all you get, Sevs.

Mason: Um, great.

Tommy: So that's it. Anyway, you guys are creeps. You guys are absolute creeps.

Josh: But, um, Seb's had a photo of me. He said, this is the best photo that I've got of you. And I said it was either— it was going to be part, um, uh, if I'm ever on Netflix, whether that's through a comedy special or a true crime. It could be one of the two. It could be the next, you know, Tiger King.

Tommy: You're doing a piece of stand-up or an exposé, which is more how you used to just expose. For sure. He started when he tried to extort the South Pacific Health Club. He moved on to bigger fish.

Josh: That did happen. Um, Bree went and picked up a puzzle from work so we could do a puzzle together.

Tommy: Is that off the— is that actually legit off the back of ScoMo mentioning? No, we were playing jigsaw thing, or But before ScoMo got his—

Josh: what's it, what's his partner's name?

Tommy: Who's ScoMo?

Josh: Jenny.

Tommy: I haven't seen ScoMo's partner actually.

Josh: You know, Jenny, she was the one that went to—

Mason: yeah, Jenny Morrison.

Josh: Yeah, got the, um, the puzzles.

Tommy: Okay, so Jenny's going to get the puzzles, Bree's going to get your puzzle from work. When are you going to do this puzzle?

Josh: Well, so it's, um, we've got to find a surface area that's big enough because our dining table doesn't come for 2 weeks. But, um, yeah, I'm thinking it's a 500-piece, and I'm sort of, I'm not passionate about the actual illustration that we're puzzling together. And so, what I wanted was a world map or something that's a little bit sort of more international, a bit travelly. But I believe it's a woman. It's just a photo of an image of a woman on a chair or something.

Tommy: I mean, women are puzzling, if that's— there's any correlation between the puzzle, as Mr. 97's finding out.

Josh: Women, bloody women. Don't get me started. Just have a wine, boys. Cheers.

Tommy: I'll tell you the, the different— think about this though, dating, dating in today's age, it's not something Josh and I have to navigate. Sevs, it's something you're navigating. But think about if you just met somebody and you were physical, uh, so you're in the same location, you, you've hooked up with them, you might have kissed them once or, you know, slept with them. And now just with all the shit that's going on, like, where does it leave people?

Josh: I'm just cutting away to your face, your dumb face when he's talking.

Tommy: I mean, I'm at— I'm out of touchy, but is anyone listening on YouTube? Yeah, right. Watching YouTube?

Josh: Yeah, uh, Leah says just joined. The Seb's being catfished. Question mark. Yes, it's not Grace. Well, Grace is 100. Well, because, uh, Seb's has upgraded to FaceTime video with Grace.

Tommy: Yeah, well, he's okay. No, so on the dating thing, think about apps like Tinder where you can get sort of flings, uh, you know, especially the, the activity some, you know, gay men get up to on those, uh Gaydar, all these things. Like, I've got friends that I saw— I saw one mate, he's just like, I'm like, what are you doing tonight? He's like, just getting some sex. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, oh, I'll just get some sex. I'll go on the app and I'll have some sex. So what you mean, you just— you don't even know you're going to get it, but you know that you can based on the app and just meeting up? Like, think about how that would have slowed down because of the coronavirus. There's like less sexual activity. I mean, this is— maybe I don't blame this person for catfishing you What else have they got to do? They might just be in quarantine.

Josh: And just when he said, I'm just getting sex, were you like, how are you getting sex? Were you interested?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, this is where he was and then told me about, um, medication that is, uh, so I mean, I looked it up, it's like, it's almost promoted at the gay community and it reduces the chance of AIDS by 80% or 90%, which means that you can— they don't say it like this, but if you have unprotected sex, there's a higher— there's a much, much lower risk. And you take it daily. And I was asking, I was just fascinated. How much is it? How long do you take it for? Anyway, I looked into it.

Josh: I think it must be—

Tommy: you know, I mentioned it to you. I didn't mention it on the show. I actually mentioned it to you.

Josh: I wasn't— not on the show.

Mason: No, I don't think so.

Tommy: But yeah, I mean, it's an interesting thought. And so casual hookups aren't happening. So I mean, this is changing the landscape for, uh, you know, for the dating scene.

Josh: Uh, TJ, you had a long-distance relationship with Amy before you, uh, got married.

Tommy: Oh, it's great. Absolutely great. I loved it because— so we met in Bali. I was flying home the next— uh, Amy was flying home the next day. I was flying out 2 days later, and it was, you know, the fun sort of carefree nature of, well, we don't live in the same city. But then when I got back, I was in Shepparton at the time, and it was a nice reason to go to a city that I loved, which is Sydney, and even more Bondi. Um, and so yeah, it was, it was, it felt it, it definitely added to the spark. And I— and the problem with online dating that I never, I never really— it was very— it was sort of first iteration of Tinder when I was still single, just before I met Amy.

Josh: MVP.

Tommy: It was just random and like, it wasn't, it wasn't the fuckfest that it is now. And there was just— it was bots getting on to me. Like, I remember having this one bot that was just like Jules Lund was on my phone, he was loving it.

Josh: Anyway, what do you mean, what was this bot?

Tommy: It was a bot literally that was, uh, auto sending, or it might have been someone on it trying to like, hey, go to this link, you know. It was almost—

Josh: it wasn't you, Josh?

Tommy: It ends up like they're trying to con you, right? And so it was weird. I don't know if that is happening as much. There's more people on it. More actual real users. Anyhow, um, I always found with those dating apps that there's no spark. I like having kind of meeting somebody and it's like feelings, sort of lots of feelings. It's kind of nice. It's not the reality for everybody, but I was grateful that I met Amy, and then we kind of kept this sort of spark going because she was interstate, and so there was the phone calls and, you know, And it's like the first time I called her, I, uh, made up some bullshit storey that, uh, she had me hat. And I said— and I lost my hat, and I was like, do you have my hat? It's so stupid. I knew exactly what I was doing. She knew exactly what I was doing. Absolutely not. I just thought I needed some reason, you know, you need some reason to start a conversation. And so, but yeah, I think this— I think the I think the distance is why we, uh, grew this sort of really nice relationship, um, where we had breaks from each other. So when you, you know, you're not just catching up 3 nights a week, it's like once on a weekend, and it was quite intense, you know, you're hanging with each other for extended periods of time and forming a great bond, and then you sort of step away from it. And talk on the phone.

Josh: But it's, um, it's really not advice, uh, for long-distance relationships.

Tommy: Well, I mean, if it's, if it's gonna play out— and I mean, this is the thing, I, I think relationships, there's so much around timing. Like, if I was—

Josh: if I was— I'm cutting to him again because he's doing a cheeky smile.

Tommy: If I, if I was in Melbourne and Amy was in Melbourne and we met in Darlie. I don't, I don't know. I don't know if it would be the same. I can't, I can't really say based on it not being the reality. But I just think there was something about intrigue of someone from another state and just kept that going for a little bit longer to get us through some of those first sort of stages of a relationship where you're building a friendship and trust and, and learning about each other and, you know, learning to love each other. And so I think it, um, yeah, I think it's definitely advantageous in some respects because you just, you've got your own space and then you kind of got to test the waters and fly to Perth, you know, all that kind of stuff. It's, uh, I mean, fly to Sydney, it's, you know, cut to his face.

Josh: Sorry, a bit delayed.

Tommy: Yeah, there he is. He even sat up, that's how funny he got about it. But yeah, so mate, it's, it's a bit of fun and it might work or it might not. For people that are doing long-distance relationships. But hey, it's not one of us. Anyway, can I get some— before we finish up, can I get some, um, parenting advice?

Josh: Uh, so you're right, how tired is Sevs though? Can we just mention—

Mason: can I just say, this, this whole episode I've just been holding in my, um my yawns. And so I just had an absolute meltdown just before where I held it in, but my eyes didn't.

Josh: So it was just like one of those, you know, I saw one eye close and the other eye—

Mason: my eyes are twitching and everything still. It's twitching.

Tommy: Yeah, I've got— I'm getting twitchy eye. What's going on, boys? Why are we— why is this happening? We're tired. We're all buddy. We're all so great.

Josh: Um, advice?

Tommy: Yeah, so I'm feeling like— I mean, I don't feel great about giving Bodhi a screen. Seth Godin's, you know, looking down on me right now. Um, but we gotta get the show out. And I was thinking like last week, noticing him and seeing how, uh, sort of disrupted he is with no routine. And I'm trying to work out what his routine looks like and simultaneously what my new routine looks like with you guys. And so a few things I've been getting up super early to do some work before Bodhi wakes up. And it's lovely because he runs down, he's happy, and he sees me, runs to me and cuddles. But, you know, then Mum goes to work and we drop her there. But I'm trying to build out a routine, so I've just kind of— I'm starting to— I want to optimise this. And because I, I feel like I want to be a good dad I mean, I am a good dad, but I want to be a better dad. So today I've created in my Notion, uh, 30th of March 2020, and I've started outlining what his food has been and also what his, uh, activities have been. Because I'm thinking about, like, you pull him out of daycare and that's structured learning. There's, you know, constant—

Josh: what's the learning that you're doing when you're in daycare?

Tommy: Oh, no, but you can't. Yeah, it's not like they're just packing kids in a room and that's it. They have painting time, they do cultural dancing, and like, they bring in people from outside.

Josh: They could do a belly dancing thing for us on the show.

Tommy: Well, here's the thing, it's different with Dad. I'm not somebody dressed in, you know, not Native Indian, but like Indian No, no, I can't do that on camera. I could do it off camera, but no. So like, they actually get the full experience and they, uh, they're doing structured draw— like drawing and exploring sort of tactile things. Like, I'm out of my depth here, boys. I'm seeing— I'm being a stay-at-home dad and I've got no idea. I mean, I'm not— you guys aren't sort of the people to lean on, but I thought, who else have I got? What have I got? So, okay, so here is his— this is his day food. Uh, do you know, day on a plate or day, day on a podcast? So 8:30, smoothie and toast times 1. 10:30 AM, yogurt, quarter serve.

Josh: Wait, what was the first one? What time was that?

Mason: 8:30.

Josh: He's up before 8:30 though, isn't he?

Tommy: Yeah, but, um, I just— I definitely gave it to him before, but— but I'm just putting times in there, mate. Let's not get specific, it's just sort of roughly.

Josh: Well, why put times at all if you're not being specific?

Tommy: 'Cause I wanna know, it's like what time we left the house, which makes sense, 'cause he's still sort of eating his toast. It's a, you know, I'm not— What are you taking the last, okay, let's go, this is almost last bite, or last mouthful. This is the time frame. 8:30, smoothie and toast. 10:30, yogurt, quarter serve. Uh, 1:15, 2 eggs with cheese. And then it was about 2:30, uh, 3:30, 3 PM, uh, by, uh, 2 bites of a banana. And so that's all he's had today. Uh, but there's, there's still the thing is he literally need— he, he's struggling. He's hungry, but he struggles because he's got no routine around eating.

Josh: And so that's the food thing. That's— there's obviously no learning attached to that if you've got another bit.

Tommy: So then the activities, uh, activities was a baby chainer from the shops with Dad.

Josh: Well, that's also— that's more like—

Tommy: but I'm looking for opportunities. This is, this is not to, uh, beat me down. Exercise out the back for 15 minutes, and we did a live stream. So I'm thinking about integrating— that was great.

Josh: Live, live stream every day, doing the, um the exercise. I thought that was so clever because he's releasing heaps of energy just before we do the show.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. That was my— that was my— his whole life is structured around the Daily Talk Show. So no, I'm thinking every morning. What do you reckon? Every morning at 10 AM we do a live feed.

Josh: What about sprints? Could he get into sprints?

Tommy: He likes the push-ups and squats, and he likes me sort of manhandling him and just lifting him. He gets around it. I could do swings, I could swing him around. I don't know, I'll explore. Do you reckon it's a good idea to keep doing live feeds every morning, 10 AM? Definitely. Okay, great. Would you join Sev's, like, for a little workout with Bodhi?

Mason: Yeah, I'll do it.

Tommy: Yeah, I even thought like Tommy Davidson, uh, PT, get him to sort of join the live feed and run us through a training program. I thought we could actually get other trainers in. I could ask, you know, a bunch of other people that we know, like, to help us get Durham. Yep. Uh, so that was one of the activities, Josh. We went to the shops and we bought vegetables, and then in the car I got him to tell me back the vegetables we got. There's some learning. We could ask Bodhi.

Josh: Is he there?

Tommy: He's not here, but okay, I'll tell you. Potato, sweet potato, onions. You bored yet?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Broccoli, leek, um, eggs. Can you guess what I'm making?

Josh: An omelette?

Tommy: Frittata. Close.

Josh: Big omelette.

Tommy: Um, yeah, it's a huge omelette. No, and then, um, and then we did an outside bike session. And so, can you cut to you when you're drinking your glass, when you're drinking your wine? Definitely. Let's go again. As he sips from the ginormous glass. No, and so anyway, can you— what else should I put in there? What's like a— so I've got the You've got like food category, activity category. Oh, we did some drawing. I forgot to put that in there, but he got a bit bored of that.

Josh: What about a letter to mum? What about if he could write a love letter? A bit of creative writing.

Mason: Get him doing his gratitude journal already, dude.

Tommy: He's 3.

Mason: What about— oh, hang on, what about meditation? Could he— with— in Sam Harris's app, could you use, um, yeah, was it Anika or Anika? Anika Harris.

Tommy: Yep, I put one on in the car today and he yelled at me and said, that's for nighttime. And so, I mean, he's telling me what to do. But, uh, anything else, Josh? So you're an ideas guy.

Josh: Well, so did you write down something around the creative writing stuff?

Tommy: Write a love letter. Yep. Meditation.

Josh: What about, um, I think these could be stuff with Amy being at work, you could double down on doing nice things. So then, yeah, you get about a bit of cleaning. Oh, cleaning's good, right?

Mason: Could you get him going around the house with like a broom or something like that? I feel like you'd enjoy that. You might make a mess. Or just picking up his stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, great. Pick up stuff. What about make a game out of it?

Josh: Picking flowers from the garden every Wednesday for Mum.

Tommy: That's a great idea, Josh. Wednesday, Wednesday, Flower Day.

Josh: Mm-hmm.

Tommy: Flower Wednesday, Flower Day. Yep. What else?

Josh: Um, Thursday, um, I'm thinking like, um, spray painting pasta gold and, and then sticking it to a plate.

Tommy: God, can you give a 3-year-old spray paint? You reckon?

Josh: Well, I think you could do the spraying.

Tommy: Oh yeah, great idea. Spray paint pasta. I've actually got some. I've got some spray paint, like just— oh, actually it's at the office. I'll go pick that up. Um, great. No, this is good. What's up? What's happening on Friday? Friday night drinks?

Josh: Friday, I think it's, um, uh, toy audit. He's got to go through and put all of his toys in different categories.

Tommy: He's not there yet. He's definitely not there yet.

Josh: What about like, so obviously though that language is a bit hard for him to understand, but what about just, um, uh, pick, uh, putting your colour coordinating all of your toys, so putting them in a row from all the different colors?

Tommy: Yeah, no, that's good. Um, Ryan Spencer said, uh, uh, Tommy, get some dice and teach him easy math.

Josh: Uh, said Grace. I mean, the thing is that we're, um, we're using up all of our supplies. Next you're going to be making tuna can necklaces as well.

Tommy: Um, Leah said tray of Play-Doh and toys on it.

Mason: She also wrote that librarians have recorded their reading storeys and that's been buying her a bunch of time.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: Oh, that's great.

Josh: Can you imagine updating his LinkedIn?

Tommy: Job ready. Yeah, future fit. Get him, get him to do a one-on-one with Andrea Clarke.

Josh: What about this? What about, um, something for Tuesdays? Um, recording a video message for one of his friends.

Tommy: Great idea.

Josh: Tuesday, um, good for presenting, you know, getting his presenting skills up, including doing one for, um, I think it'd be nice to do one for his normal um, daycare workers.

Tommy: Video for friends, um, Shannon said that it's by law, uh, government enforced, uh, so, so they had, uh, the daycare stuff. So where I was saying, she said, uh, let me say, it's too hard, Tommy, I swear to God, I do 50 different activities a day for her son. They have certain curriculum they meet at in childcare, obviously not as much as primary school, but they definitely have to follow a specific structure. It's government advised. So it's— the point is, yeah, I'm seeing the effects of no structure on Bodhi, and, um, and I definitely need to lift my game.

Josh: So painting— Bree's texting because she's watching in the other room. What do we think about it? Great.

Tommy: Yeah, painting's great. We've got paints. I just need to sort it out because they were— it was all dry. I couldn't find the paints, you know.

Mason: Can you dial in some hand-eye coordination? Just like—

Tommy: oh yeah, I found—

Mason: I found with like catching tennis balls and stuff.

Tommy: I got— found a ball. I found a ball, um, near a tennis court and I brought it home. And yeah, thinking about that, just throwing him— throwing him a ball.

Josh: What about making, um, making your own muesli? Oh yeah, so he, he could pick the ingredients he's like, like goji berries and different bits and put them into glass jars, and then he could have them.

Tommy: We don't live in Turak. This really sounds like something the Turak—

Josh: You could use, um, I don't know what's— What goes in? I'm just thinking like, you could be nice.

Tommy: You can get like, um, Yeah, get, uh, oats, bran. Bran, is it bran? Bran.

Josh: What about orienteering? I love orienteering.

Tommy: He's just a bit young for orienteering. I did think like a— oh, I saw one on— I saw one on Facebook video where someone had put tape. I might go to the office and get some tape. You put tape, like coloured tape, all around the house, and it's like it leads you through the house. Goes up onto tables, and so they have to get up there, they're going to jump off. It's almost like a, it's almost like a, um, a Ninja Warrior course.

Josh: Oh, that's fun. Oh, I saw something like that. That looked— I saw something similar, um, just around the block.

Tommy: Um, around the block.

Josh: What about, um, have you seen the teddy bear thing?

Tommy: What teddy bear thing?

Josh: Uh, so I saw Ben Fordham post about it. Um, a bunch of people in the neighbourhoods are putting teddy bears in their window, and so the kids can walk around and try and spot Teddy Bear.

Tommy: Oh, that's cute. That is cute.

Josh: But if your neighbourhoods are not getting involved, it's going to be pretty disappointing.

Tommy: Mostly old Italians around my neighbourhood. So, there could be, I mean, we might find— There is another one, Josh, that people are doing, putting up their Christmas lights, putting them back up to bring a bit of joy to the world. Oh yeah, it's quite cute.

Josh: What about, um, painting eggs for, um, I know, I don't know if that's getting into the sort of the religious thing, but painting eggs for Easter.

Tommy: I've, I painted eggs as a kid. I remember doing it. As long as you get to eat eggs after it. Amy actually said paint, let's, we should paint eggs like as a family. It's, um, that's a good one. Definitely painting eggs this week. And yeah, what about, you know, the things that go on Christmas trees?

Josh: The, is it a bob, uh, Bauble. Yeah, bauble.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: When I was a kid, every Christmas when I'd go to my nana's, we would all make our own baubles. Why don't you— Why doesn't he make baubles? The other thing too is he could be doing cards for everyone that you could send out in the mail. Send some to Nana.

Tommy: Oh, good idea. Yeah, she sent him the egg, so that's— Oh, I'm doing a trade-off with my dad. Can't get too close tomorrow. Get some wood off him. We're meeting in a side street. Yeah, why? It's some firewood. Well, I just sounded more theatrical. We are meeting in the side street just because he's working in a lot in a nearby suburb, so I'm just going to do a trade-off. But, um, anyway, boys, uh, I gotta go pick up Amy. It's part of the routine. Bodhi comes with me.

Josh: What about— could he do something in the car? I feel like there could be something creative in the car. Um, what about counting of red cars? Great idea.

Tommy: Red car counting. Can we spot a red car? Red car spotting. Mate, don't even need to be a dad. This is dadding through me.

Josh: Yeah, I'm happy to do it this way.

Mason: You could play a directions game, get Bodhi to tell you how to get home.

Tommy: He does. He almost knows. He's fucking real good at that.

Josh: What about getting him a compass just so he can learn about, like, although he won't understand it yet, if you just get him always just get him looking at a compass, by the time he's 5, he'll know it off by heart.

Tommy: Yeah. I also thought a magnifying glass so we can burn shit out the back.

Josh: Burn ants.

Tommy: Yeah, Whitey said, "Gotta have some outdoor time." Definitely agree. "To keep some structure, my 7-year-old is now officially in charge of breakfast every morning." Solid. "We're also divvying up the house cleaning, maybe by room or day, not sure yet, and gardening every day." What's something that in the morning that he could do just to make the day a really good start?

Mason: I mean, you know, we're gonna be a great day.

Josh: Yeah, it's gonna be a great day. He just has to say that with his feet on the ground. That's from Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg.

Tommy: Seriously, he's a different kid. I've dialled in that morning routine of smoothie and toast, and he just— he's a new man. He just absolutely thrives. And so it's centred around food, that routine, but there's definitely something else we could do.

Josh: The exercise seems like the go-to for everyone.

Tommy: Yeah, it is. Screens and food. No wonder kids get fat.

Josh: Leah said, for quietness in the car, I always do snacks. Car is messy, but they're quiet. Right. That could be the book, Shoving Food in Their Face: A Guide to—

Tommy: Oh, I've got one. Clean the car.

Josh: Oh, yeah.

Mason: Oh, yeah. Did you get around the vacuum cleaner? I feel like you'd love the vacuum cleaner.

Tommy: Yeah, I could get him to use his blower. He could just blow stuff around. He does blowing gardening. Yeah, that's good. Structured gardening, structured blower time.

Josh: I think there's something that this could do in the morning. I really think that he— if you start the day right, I'm serious.

Mason: You're still dialling that in.

Josh: Well, but we're not speaking about me.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, we've got, we've got a chance to redo somebody's to give someone, you know, redo what Josh made wrong.

Josh: So at the moment, he— does he just run in? Like, how does he start the day at the moment?

Tommy: He gets up when he feels like it, which is usually 7 AM, comes into Mummy and Daddy's bed, has a cuddle. And but at that time I'm downstairs, so now his new one is to run down to Dada, and he's so happy, smiling, and runs over and gives me a big cuddle and a kiss.

Josh: So maybe he could Maybe he stands on a specific— You've got tiles in the kitchen?

Tommy: Yeah, we get tiles.

Josh: What about just marking—

Mason: You do like a hopscotch thing with the tiles in the morning.

Josh: I was going to say even more specific. He just has to stand on one tile that you've sort of dedicated and he just says, "I love you," and then he can move away from the tile.

Tommy: I've got chalk on footpath outside.

Josh: Oh, that's fucking great, Green. I have loved watching all of that. From kids doing chalk.

Tommy: We've got chalk up the back. Uh, all right guys, I, I've got to run, but, um, nice one to get another episode in. Yeah, cheque it.

Josh: We're doing every, every day, two a day. Tomorrow we've got Brad on the show from New York. He's actually coming from Long Island because he's, he's left Manhattan with everything that's going on. But we'll have that. Um, if you, uh, Bree gave some feedback. She said make sure you're not making too many visual references because you're going to alienate your audio audience, so I appreciate that. If you are listening, we do live stream. If you're live streaming and watching right now and you prefer to listen, you can do that on all the podcast apps. Yeah, great.

Tommy: Oh, here it is, right on cue, guys.

Josh: All right, it's a daily talk show. Have a good one, guys.

Tommy: See you tomorrow. Bye.