Flagged For Fraud

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 355, with the arse and the dick.

Tommy: Oh, the cock. The reason I say that—

Josh: I have to spin my hat now because there is, uh, Tommy has a, a hat that says cock on it and it's got a rooster, and I've got, uh, a donkey fresh from Mykonos.

Tommy: He's tired, he's been carrying around a bunch of drunk gronks. Yeah, that's how you get around in Mykonos. Did you ever—

Josh: '97— Mykonos, did I go to Mykonos?

Tommy: Santorini also, people cruise around donkeys. But you can, you could, you could go to a nightclub and then get, get a ride home on a donkey.

Josh: Yeah, I don't know if it's, um, I think I've seen some in Santorini and I felt a little bit bad about the whole thing.

Tommy: Oh, they all just look a bit upset, you know, they're all just fucking, you know, clonking along, but they just, they're workhorses, they work donkeys, work donkeys. So I don't know how much actual, actually is going on in their heads.

Josh: I do. I was wondering that. 3D Dill and I went to the penguins in Phillip Island on the weekend.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Was wondering like, what are the penguins thinking?

Tommy: I don't know how much they're thinking. They're thinking about their next meal.

Josh: Well, we've got 3D Dill is currently live streaming for 5 minutes only. Yeah, yeah. Mr. 97 is back in the studio, recovered. Yeah, after nearly shitting his pants on Friday.

Mason: Yeah, big recovery.

Tommy: He's got coconut oil in his hair and feeling good for a Monday. Yeah, definitely.

Josh: How was, how was your gym session this morning?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, it's great.

Tommy: Dill came along, he actually captured live footage of the Coconut Crew applying coconut oil.

Mason: Yeah, in action. Yeah, no, so Dill came along, um, Andre was there as well. We, uh, we did a leg workout and then went into the sauna.

Josh: Beautiful, it does sound fantastic.

Mason: And Dill nearly threw up as well.

Tommy: So really, what, being unfit or what?

Unknown: No, it was, I was doing a workout that I was never used to.

Tommy: So you're unfit?

Josh: Yeah, what was the workout?

Unknown: Uh, doing a sled push with the 100-pound weight on it.

Josh: I do get motion sick doing that.

Tommy: Yeah, we—

Josh: I had you doing that because remember, and I worked out that I couldn't have coffee before, like we worked out many things, but that was one of them. I don't—

Tommy: I mean, motion sickness, it is the time to get motion sickness because you are actually physically moving.

Josh: It's because you're pushing, your head is so like, you're sort of leaning down, which makes it— is that what made you feel?

Unknown: I think so, because all the blood was then rushing to my legs, my arms, and my head.

Tommy: Yeah.

Unknown: And not my stomach.

Tommy: Just suck it up, boys. Oh yeah, that's good. Um, we— you missed out on a bit last week, Mr. 97 Friday.

Josh: He's gone for a day. Yeah, well, he still managed to do all the editing. He actually did all the work that he needed.

Tommy: We had some, some, some big things happen in my fraud case. Well, it never was a fraud case to start with.

Josh: I could— you know what, I didn't even write this down on Asana. I'd sort of put it in the back of my mind. This was This was the most outrageous Friday I've ever experienced.

Tommy: It was crazy. So, we talked about how Josh and I both applied for credit cards to get funding for some iMac computers.

Josh: Well, just finance. If you go on the Apple website and you go to buy an iMac, you can sometimes see 12 months interest-free and you click through and you're essentially going to a third-party finance company, which is Latitude, and they basically do a credit cheque and then you get the finance.

Tommy: You can pretty much get and purchase a computer within 48 hours without walking in a store. It's unbelievable.

Josh: Unless you are 91-year-old Tommy Jackett. So you would have heard that Tommy mentioned the fact that he screwed up the, uh, yeah, his application.

Tommy: I mean, it's one of the biggest screw-ups because I don't know how my birthday is 1988 and somehow I put in 1928 because I, I'd say it's a human error at that point. But how do I get 1928? But how, why am I down near the like I'm using my computer. Why am I down near the 2?

Josh: That's why it's so upsetting.

Tommy: No, it's fucked up. And so anyway, I just went through, they approved my application. I had $6,000 to spend. I'm a 90-something-year-old bloke who sounds fit as a fiddle. Even the woman from Apple, this is how I worked it out. She said to me, oh, you don't sound like you're 90 'cause your thing says 1928. I was like, oh, that's a stuff-up. I'll have to change it. And so I went down this rabbit hole of working out how to change it. I got passed through about 4 people. Turns out I had to send to a PO box a physical photo of my fucking driver's license, which I'm like, no way, I'm just gonna keep lying. And this guy said to me, because I said to him, can I just continue with the process and say that that's my birth year and then I'll change it later? And he said yeah. So I was like, sweet.

Josh: It's outrageous. Actually, 3D Door, you can keep going on the live stream because people need to hear the whole fucking storey of this. So anyway, Well, that's where we thought that it sort of finished, which was like you were just accepting the fact that when you called up the finance company and they said, hey, we just need some verification, that you would say 1928 every time.

Tommy: I didn't want to confuse things.

Josh: And I was slightly— I was already confused at that point thinking this isn't great. But the idea of you doing all the PO box stuff, it was like a bigger nightmare.

Tommy: They didn't have a digital option. They didn't have a—

Josh: That's fax. I don't know if that's technically digital. It's not digital.

Tommy: It's pretty prehistoric.

Josh: Well, we had prehistoric—

Tommy: they didn't have— what do you mean?

Josh: You look up prehistoric. Sure. Prehistory, is that what that means?

Tommy: Prehistoric, like dinosaur era. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Mason: Relating to a period before written records.

Tommy: Yeah, so I'm just saying it's really fucking old.

Josh: I know.

Tommy: Who the hell uses faxes?

Josh: I know. But it's not prehistoric.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, but I'm just— it's being hyperbolic.

Josh: Yeah, I know it was. But anyway, it's fucking—

Tommy: so stop getting into the nuance.

Josh: So on Friday, uh, everything was going fine. We were managing Mr. 97's stuff while he was away trying to get the show live. That's why on Friday the show came out, I think about 4 PM, 5 PM.

Tommy: Well, I called up because I was like needing to, um, make the purchase, and I spoke to the woman from Apple when she said, ah, 'Look, I'll put that through now.' Then she said, 'It's been declined,' and it doesn't say why.

Josh: 'Would you be able to call the financial institute?' Yeah, and then you, you had a meeting, you had a phone chat with our mate Durham.

Mason: Durham?

Josh: Durham? He's called Durham.

Tommy: D-H-U-R-A-M? Durham? No, D-U-R-H-A-M.

Josh: I'm so sorry, Durham.

Tommy: Durham. I didn't stuff up his name. I stuffed up the wording when you— but it's D-U-R-H-A-M. Darren.

Josh: Darren.

Tommy: Only Darren I know.

Josh: So you're chatting to Darren and the best quality. You're on the phone to him.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I get a call from— I've already put my purchase through. The iMac is on its way, basically getting made and on its way. I get a call from the finance company, right? Latitude. We had completely separate applications.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Right. The only thing that was the same was our employer is obviously big media company and the delivery address is the same. I get a call from a guy from Latitude Finance who says, uh, hi, am I speaking with Josh, blah blah blah. Um, he said, I'm just about your, um, uh, application. I said, hey, it's all good, I've spoken to Apple, I've gone, it's all through, it's all done, so it's all fine. So I went to hang up and he said, I actually know this was, uh, something else. And he asked for my details for verification and then he said 'do you know a Thomas Jacket?' Whenever I've been, I've been noted. Whenever you hear the words 'do you know Thomas Jacket?' even though I know Tommy, I never know what to say.

Mason: Why?

Josh: I mean, 'do you know Thomas Jacket?' I mean, it's a weird call. Why?

Tommy: And so, and what was your response?

Josh: And I, I said, 'Yes, he's my colleague.' And then he said 'Is he 91 years old?' And then I panicked and I said no. But as I said no, I said, 'No, you do not have the right to be asking information about Thomas. If you want to speak to Thomas about his age, you call him directly,' right? So that was done.

Tommy: I hang up.

Josh: Hayden did, uh, came over and he actually gave us these wonderful hats. Thank you, Hayden. And so Hayden and I went to the PO box just for something to do while you were on the phone to and then you get off the phone, you had 10 missed calls.

Tommy: Yeah, I had 10 missed calls. I didn't know who they were from, uh, I didn't call them back. But then I, um, did receive a call.

Josh: You got a call from a lady named Stephanie.

Tommy: Yeah, Stephanie. Wow, her tone with me was out of control.

Josh: Well, she was from the fraud team at Latitude Finance, which I later realized.

Tommy: She said to me, um, 'Are you, uh, is this Thomas Jack?' And I said, 'Yeah.' Do you even panic?

Josh: Like, do you panic the same way I panic?

Tommy: What are you talking about? She's like, 'Uh, look, um, I'm just calling about your account. It's, um, been flagged for fraud.' I said, 'What do you mean?' She said, 'Well, we received a call from Thomas and you're not Thomas.' I was like, 'What are you talking about? I am Thomas, and this—

Josh: I haven't flagged any account for fraud.' Can I say, hearing you on the phone saying, 'I am Thomas,' was ridiculous. It was the most frustrating. I'm like, you know, only Tommy could fuck this up so bad that they don't even think it's you.

Tommy: No, she was flat out saying, no, this is not Thomas. I've spoken— we've spoken— she said, we've spoken to Thomas and you've— the account has been flagged for fraud. Is there anything I can help you with? I said, that is, I am Thomas. I, I— and I gave her some, you know, I gave her some explaining about what had happened, the age thing, and what the guy told me, just do it, change it after. I spoke to 4 people, I had to send something in anyway. I ended up telling her I've got the documents, I can verify this account, I've got my licence here.

Josh: It was the PO box that you had an issue with. You didn't want to fax or PO box.

Tommy: Yeah, mate, take me 2 days.

Josh: And so Stephanie gives you an email address.

Tommy: Finally, this is what I wanted. I just wanted to clear it up. So I quickly got some screenshots of my bank account.

Josh: But she's put you on hold at this point. So you said, I'll send the email. She goes, okay, can you just go on hold? Then unknown number calls. Hello, this is Josh. Hi, my name is Stephanie. I'm calling from— Hi Stephanie, yeah, I believe you were just talking, uh, to my mate Tommy, uh, blah blah blah, you know, he's, uh, he's next to me. And she goes, oh hi, uh, Joshua, I can't speak about, uh, other, uh, applications, or, you know, but, um, I do need, uh, verification. Your, your account has been flagged for fraud. I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, how is this, how has this happened? And so I said, I've actually done the application, like I've ordered the computer, it's all there. And so she said, oh, you've got X amount of money. I said, how much money does it say I've got available on the account? Because we transferred money, like it wasn't all financed, you basically can top it up. So we had topped up a couple of grand to give us the full amount. And she gave me the amount and all that sort of thing. She said, I'm going to need driver's licence and statements and stuff sent through. And the one thing I hate is admin. And so when she says this, I was just like, but I've made the purchase. And then I turned it on her and I said, yeah, yeah, hang on, Stephanie, you're in the fraud department. You haven't asked for a verification of my date of birth, driver's license, number, anything. Yeah. And you're giving me details about the account.

Tommy: What did you— how did she react to that? Because it didn't sound good.

Josh: Oh no, she didn't react very well. She went quiet. She's like I think she felt that she fucked up.

Tommy: Oh, she fucked up.

Josh: And she said, uh, well, uh, Joshua, that's general advice. And then I said, you know, like, how do you know that you're speaking with Josh? And then she said, are you saying that you're not Josh? I'm like, the fucking hell. And then she says, um, uh, because you sound a lot like Thomas. And so then I'm like, what, you think we're the same person? And I said, he's sitting next to me. And so I get the phone, I go, okay, I'm gonna talk now, and Tommy, you talk.

Tommy: And then, hi Stephanie, how are you?

Josh: And then we're like, okay, now let's talk at the same time. Hello, this is Josh, I'm talking. And she couldn't help but laugh at that point. And then I said, look, I'm very annoyed that I have to do this. I said, Tommy sent the email. She said, I haven't received an email from Tommy. I said, I've watched him send it. And I said, what was the email address? And I said, Tommy, bring up your email. She gives me the email address. Tommy's misfucking written the email address. So not only is it the date of birth—

Tommy: I wasn't miswritten, it was a .com.au that I sent it to and it was .com that I should have sent it to, which isn't that much of a stuff up.

Josh: You'd think that it's enough of a stuff up that the way emails work is it doesn't get to them.

Tommy: They should sort that out though.

Josh: They don't sort of— they're like, ah, it's only two.

Tommy: It's actually a website though, .com.au, same company. Anyway, so I sent it the wrong way. Anyway, I sent it They were so apologetic. They massively fucked up.

Josh: So it took Stephanie getting off the phone. She probably just went to Big Media Company because she just looked at bigmediacompany.com. She'd be able to look at all of the, like, oh, there's Josh's bio, there's Tommy's.

Tommy: Yeah, we're right there. We're right there. YouTube me, look at our podcast, listen to our podcast.

Josh: I mean, we've got the most amount of content that anyone could. And so, yeah, it was It absolutely—

Tommy: it was a fucking clusterfuck.

Josh: Derailed our Friday. It was a 3D deal. We'll end the live stream. Is any— do we have to do any shoutouts?

Unknown: Uh, no, no shoutouts. Ruru just said love you guys.

Tommy: Love you, Ruru.

Unknown: He did make a comment about how he was there for all of it.

Josh: Yes, and he enjoyed some, uh, beautiful Raiders pizza as well.

Unknown: Uh, Cam Watts said love the tight shots.

Josh: Uh, thanks.

Unknown: And, um, Scooter Derek sent an emoji that has heart eyes on it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Unknown: So that's always good.

Josh: Watch the rest of the, uh, the podcast through YouTube or through the podcast app of your choice.

Unknown: Well, awesome.

Josh: We're going to end that live stream there. Eventually we are going to be live streaming every show, every single show, every single show. But that we do have a milestone coming up and I just wanted to table it today, okay, potentially in a 1-minute admin. Was that the whole thing that you wanted to get happening?

Tommy: Admin. Admin in 1 minute. Yeah, we need definitely some catchy.

Josh: So we'll just, we'll just time this admin.

Tommy: We should get a countdown ticket.

Josh: I used to love that one, Radio Set It Up, like the beat the bomb type of thing.

Tommy: Yeah, okay, but anyway, got it. I can— I've got it on my computer somewhere. That's fine.

Josh: The admin, so next week, in a week's time, so we're currently at 3:55 in 5 days' time, or sorry, 7 days' time, on Monday of next week, it's episode 360. And so I—

Tommy: That's a good milestone.

Josh: Yeah. And so what I thought would be cool was that we actually film the episode in 360.

Tommy: Oh yeah. Well, we don't have a 360 camera. First thing we'd need to work out.

Josh: Mate, I've fucking— I've given away hats that we didn't even have, which we'll talk about soon.

Tommy: A bit more expensive, actually. Probably on par by the time we fucking put the resources into it. Uh, 360. Have you ever used one of the cameras before?

Josh: No, I haven't.

Tommy: Um, good thing we have Final Cut. You can edit the 360.

Josh: You can do it in Premiere too. Yeah, okay.

Tommy: Probably takes 7 days to render it, but yeah, I wonder. I mean, it's always a good experience. Have you, have you seen any good 360 videos that you actually like?

Josh: No, not really.

Tommy: Nah, me either. I haven't nailed it.

Mason: I haven't seen a talk show in 360, I don't think.

Tommy: I've just seen like GoPro, you know, the stuff. Like, I was thinking, um, you know, I've got one. I got given it by Jules Lund, the, um, what do you call it, the fucking Oculus Go. Tells you how much I use it. Oculus Go. He gave it to me for my 30th. But watching— I've watched YouTube on the Oculus and it just sets up like a screen above them, like a mantle with a wood fire in front. So you can change the scenery of where you're watching it. But I think in 360, having something like that where you could literally just be here moving your head back and forth— I think if it does take off, as in Oculus in the future, it will be pretty cool being in the room with Joe Rogan, being in the room, you know, with Brené Brown while she's doing an interview. It's pretty fucking amazing.

Josh: So 360, I guess 360 just gives you the ability to, if you're in the room with Brené Brown, to turn around and see what's behind you.

Tommy: Yeah, having a dynamic room full of amazing people. Imagine Brené Brown, Oprah, Tony Robbins, all in the room, and you can walk over, look at Tony's hands.

Josh: So you'll need to size them, you'll need to get them in a room first.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm saying if people start creating the content for the consumer, so The thing is we also would need to film it normally as well, so, because otherwise you're releasing, uh, like, no, I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure YouTube's got a, got a thing where you can just, you just click and on like a, it's got like up, down, left, right.

Josh: I'm thinking of redundancy. I'm just thinking of the fact that we'll probably fuck it up.

Tommy: Definitely true, definitely. And if it doesn't look good, it's just a bit of a nightmare.

Josh: Yeah, look, so why don't we— because we're going to be doing 2 remote shows next week because we're in regional Victoria on a shoot.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So could we— and so that's exciting, that's another announcement, just casual, the casual announcement there. Too light, too, um, we've blown the minute, guys.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, we're blowing that minute.

Josh: Add 15, 15 minutes. Um, yeah, what do we think about trying to— like, does anyone that is in our audience have an easy-to-use 360 camera that we can, we can use on a road trip for the next 3 days.

Tommy: Oh, actually doing it on a road trip, being in the hotel room while—

Josh: that's when we're going to do it. If it's on Monday, we're going to be away on Monday. Why don't we go to a nice area like regional Victoria, a really cool spot where there's a road or something, do the whole show in a paddock? Yeah, it would look cool.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, weather permitting, of course. We'll have to make sure that weather doesn't stop me doing anything. Well, otherwise it's just going to be us in a car, and unless we go outside—

Josh: 3D Dylan and I watching the Penguins on Saturday night.

Tommy: I should tell you what, that was one of the most boring live streams on our—

Josh: that was pre-Penguin because you can't—

Tommy: you can't— there's not even commentary. Landscape. What was going on?

Mason: Who was that?

Tommy: Who was that? Oh, you should have— you should have at least—

Josh: I said stuff.

Tommy: Did you?

Mason: I didn't hear anything.

Tommy: I didn't hear anything either.

Josh: I comment— I did a fair bit of commentary. I said, oh look, we're at the Nobbies.

Unknown: Oh, I remember. Yeah, I remember that. I mean, that was—

Josh: I mean, it was like a Saturday, 2 days ago. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I saw Dill made a monstrous fuck-up, just like myself really. Uh, what did you do at the fish and chip shop, mate? Won't happen again.

Unknown: So I went to get the meal and I read through the thing and I was like, oh, it doesn't come with chips, and I wanted chips. So I said, I'm gonna get a small side of chips extra.

Josh: And I, to be clear, what I thought had happened was I thought he was getting— they had two options at the San Remo, uh, fish and chip shop. It was like a grilled fish pack, no chips in the grilled fish pack, it had salad, and they had the fat fish and chips, the fat pack, which is what Bree and I were doing. And so 3D Dill said, I'm gonna get a small side of chips with mine, under the impression that I had that he was getting the grilled pack, which would have been sans chips. Which, okay, which every single time Bree and I do fish and chips, she says the same thing every single time.

Tommy: What is it?

Josh: Oh, we should have shared.

Tommy: Yeah. Oh mate, I saw the size of them. Old school fish and chip shops, sharing is caring.

Josh: Well, I was a bit embarrassed because 3D Dill posted that photo.

Tommy: Were you doing a 500 day as well? On the Saturday?

Josh: No, no, no, no, no, no, we didn't end up. But this is, it's a 500 calorie day today.

Tommy: Oh, okay.

Josh: Just running off coffee. I did Insta storeys of getting my coffee ready this morning if you want to cheque that out.

Tommy: They were more riveting than your live feed, that's for sure.

Josh: I thought the live stream was quite good. The visuals were quite nice. But anyway, so it was pissing down with rain. Yeah, explain the experience of the penguins for people who don't know about Phillip Island or the penguins. Talk us through the whole experience. What stands out for you?

Unknown: So Phillip Island has the largest— I think it's the only colony of little penguins in anywhere in the world.

Josh: I feel like Tommy wants to say, I see them in St Kilda.

Tommy: They are in St Kilda though.

Unknown: Are they?

Tommy: But he said largest. Yeah, so I'm not gonna argue with the largest.

Unknown: Yeah, I think it's the biggest colony.

Mason: Yeah.

Unknown: In anywhere, because I think all penguin species exist below the equator in the southern hemisphere.

Tommy: A friend of mine was in Antarctica recently, which is in the southern— yeah, dude, should have seen these penguins. So impressive. Like, the size of him looked like fucking the old school Batman movie with the real life Little Penguin. These things were amazing. There was like thousands of them.

Unknown: Emperor, Emperor Penguins.

Tommy: I heard they're the big ones.

Josh: Tourists—

Tommy: these weren't Emperor Penguins.

Josh: No, these are a little penguins because they're head high. I did hear a lady say, a tourist, very sweet accent. I won't do the accent, uh, with risk of sounding racist.

Tommy: So we know what accent it was?

Josh: No, we don't know. It could be any accent.

Tommy: Is it Indian, Chinese? Because you can use a French accent, you can do a German accent without being racist.

Josh: Anyway, uh, what they said was, um, 'Ah, I was expecting— or I thought a penguin was going to be as big as me.' That's what they said.

Tommy: Yeah, it's very anticlimactic because you see the penguins in the David Attenborough films and stuff, and you would think— I'd think going down there, I'm gonna land, there's gonna be a huge penguin.

Josh: Which I feel— I definitely feel the pressure as a host that I'm thinking about these fucking penguins.

Tommy: Small bitch-ass penguins.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so what did you think?

Unknown: I mean, it was a cute thing to see because I've never seen anything like that in the wild. And like, there's one thing looking at it in a zoo and then going and actually seeing it in its natural habitat. Like, they were about the height of the microphone stands.

Tommy: Are they tiny?

Unknown: Yeah, they're real small.

Tommy: How close can you get to them?

Unknown: They, they have a boardwalk that goes through. Yeah, some of the places. So if one was walking underneath the boardwalk, there was times where Josh, Bree, and I were within like 10 centimetres of some of these penguins. Like you could reach out and touch them.

Tommy: Do they smell? Was there a smell?

Unknown: I didn't really— I mean, I was— it was pissing down rain, so I couldn't smell anything.

Josh: We're drenched.

Tommy: Did you have spray jackets or like, you know, yeah, rain jackets?

Josh: Yeah, so we did. Breeze, uh, North Face. Did you hear that noise from my mouth?

Tommy: No.

Josh: Anyway, I heard it for me, so that's all that matters. Um, Bree had like a North Face jacket that wasn't really designed for rain. And so hers, it was like a wet doona.

Tommy: Oh no.

Josh: A little bit like that.

Tommy: Did the Canadian at least have himself sorted?

Josh: Yeah, I got him. It was actually a better design. It was like an actual rain jacket.

Unknown: It was a proper, proper rain jacket.

Tommy: You didn't bring one from home?

Unknown: I did, but I left it.

Josh: He also didn't bring a— Like, did you bring any jumpers? Uh, do you call them jumpers in Canada?

Tommy: I call sweaters.

Unknown: So we got hoodies, sweaters, and crewnecks.

Josh: Okay.

Unknown: Yeah, which are 3 different things. So a hoodie obviously has a hood on it. A crewneck is basically a hoodie without the hood.

Josh: It's like the HP I've got.

Unknown: Yeah. And then a sweater is typically something that would be knit.

Tommy: Okay.

Unknown: From, from a wool.

Tommy: Grandma wouldn't it?

Unknown: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. Um, who knitted— Bodhi got this cute little beanie and Is it from your mom? Yeah, is that your mom?

Unknown: Yeah, my mom knitted that.

Tommy: Shout out to 3D Dills' mom. What's your mom's name?

Unknown: Michelle. Michelle.

Tommy: Michelle. Shout out to Michelle.

Unknown: I love how Josh said that faster than I did.

Josh: Yeah, because I just, I just knew that.

Tommy: I saw. Yeah, now it's coming. You've got it in, um, she follows us on Insta.

Josh: Yeah, so I've been looking a lot, um, on our Insta stories.

Tommy: Ah, so you, are you one of those people that cheques who's watching them?

Josh: Well, that's why I know that you're not, because you posted an Insta storey last night that only actually uploaded, I think it was about 8 hours later. You know, the sun, you know, the sunset shot, the video that you did, was that you?

Unknown: No.

Tommy: What was that? No, that was 3D Deal.

Josh: It was 3D Deal.

Mason: Not me. It wasn't Tommy.

Tommy: No, that, that video that I was putting in overtime.

Josh: If you have a look, the amount of views on that versus the morning stuff is significantly lower because—

Unknown: interesting.

Josh: Your post didn't actually end up going live until like 10 hours later.

Tommy: I didn't see it. I, I only saw it today, which is weird.

Josh: So you did an Insta story, it was like put into the system or whatever, but it didn't actually go up. Oh, then it went up, but then it goes back. So it works chronologically, but it's got fuck all views.

Tommy: I know people that— I mean, this is, I think, what, what it does when you are constantly checking who's watching your shit. You start getting a bit cray cray. Like, I've— I know, not you personally, I know, I know you've definitely done this. There's a few people that I know I haven't got back to, but I've— it's swiped onto there, you know, it's got—

Josh: I'm just banging through, just swiping through, just finger banging your phone, finger banging my phone.

Tommy: And I know I've rocked up to their storey and then panicked, maybe what, fucking swiped across.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But they've contacted me. Yeah, yeah, it's like, I know, but I'm like, fuck it, I don't care, you know? It doesn't mean just because I'm having some time out watching Insta storeys doesn't mean I need to get back to you. Like, I think it's— this is the problem because it removes— if I succumb to that feeling and like feel obliged based on something like that, it's taken the power away.

Josh: That's why I hate with it. That's what I like about the Daily Talk Show's Instagram. No one knows that it's me.

Tommy: No, everyone knows it's you, but the thing was, this actually said we have to start getting back to people using our initials at the end, just to— I mean, otherwise, what does that mean? Always assume it's Josh unless it has initials.

Josh: That's probably a good rule.

Tommy: Always assume Josh is on the Insta unless you get the initials from 3D Deal.

Josh: But I reckon there's probably half a dozen people who over the weekend do not follow us. Yeah, but view our stories.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I mean, what, what do you think? What are you taking from that?

Josh: Uh, look, I'm taking— they're curious.

Tommy: Yeah, it's hate following, hate watching.

Josh: Yeah, it's worse than a hate follow because they don't even want to give us the luxury of a follow. Yeah, like, I want to fucking— I want to hate follow without the commitment.

Tommy: It is. I mean, it's a like you really see. It's, you know, it's this— I mean, I don't like a great deal of stuff. I get pulled up by Amy because I haven't liked this thing, but I've seen it. Even my mum too. And it's nothing about I mean, your mum actually pulls it. Mum's pulled me up. Have you liked my photo? She has said it a couple of times.

Josh: Have you—

Tommy: no, have you seen my photo?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I'm like, yeah. Oh, you didn't like it? So I'm done.

Josh: It's definitely— especially when the algorithm wasn't as strong as it was, when you knew that everyone was seeing everything. Yeah, there's a lot more pressure. But Canada was the first country to trial not showing who has liked a photo. Did your mates talk about that at all?

Unknown: Yeah, some of the people that I know went off on it. Like, they were pissed about it. I'm like, depressed. I just don't care.

Tommy: Like junkies.

Unknown: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, so the— would it be fair to say the people who went off are people that get a lot of validation through the like system?

Unknown: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah, they really showed their cards.

Unknown: Yeah, it's a lot of people from high school that have like, uh, just a very beautified image of themselves or trying to make it look like they're doing all this.

Mason: Yeah, sure.

Unknown: All this stuff.

Tommy: I mean, babies could be an Instagram move of just being—

Josh: where was that coming from?

Tommy: It's your computer because you just logged in.

Josh: From what?

Tommy: Instagram have like—

Josh: I stand by, that wasn't my computer.

Mason: I reckon— well, you muted the iMac upstairs.

Josh: Yeah, and my computer is—

Tommy: but you just signed in, so it's, it's kind of signed in on what? No, you just opened it up.

Josh: Let me have a look. Oh no, it was me.

Tommy: Could it be like a PR spin that Instagram are doing to try and, try and be seen to be like, we're helping, you know, we're we're trying to remove, you know, because it's gamifying. The like system was a gamifying play that people just fucking got behind.

Josh: Well, the interesting thing about Apple— so Apple has, uh, they've done heaps of work on screen time, trying to reduce the amount of time people spend, or making them more aware. And people think it's a direct play at Android and Google, because what Google wants and what Google are in the business of is us using their services. So if you think about Google Assistant, think about Gmail, Google Apps, they're trying to get us to use it more, whereas Apple haven't really spent the same amount of time in creating that suite of systems. So once you have the phone, they, they care, I think, less than, say, Google is trying to, uh, inject themselves into a lot more areas.

Mason: It's where their money is, right? Like it's all in their subscriptions as opposed to Apple's just sort of upfront at the moment.

Josh: And iCloud, I mean, is a testament to the fact that I don't give a fuck because it is a pain in the ass. Google Photos is good. I like Google Photos.

Tommy: Google Photos is good, but then they— then there's still limitations on an Apple device. Like you need to have your app open to suck in the photos. They don't just automatically— yeah, unless the phone's on.

Josh: I think that's— is that a restriction that iOS created?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. 'cause it's not their product. They'd be pissed off. Was there any other learnings from spending all your time looking at the Instagram people who are liking us?

Josh: No, but I did, I went on a bit of an Instagram rabbit hole and actually applied for verification for The Daily Talk.

Tommy: Oh yeah? I mean, we spoke about this. There's a bunch of—

Josh: Why did Mr. 97 react that way?

Tommy: We can pay.

Josh: No, no, we don't want to.

Tommy: Mr. 97 brought that to our attention. I spoke about it ages ago. It was like, in a lot of these celebrity accounts, whenever there's a photo that goes up, Miley Cyrus, just look in the comments section. It's like, hey, get verified, cheque out the link in my bio, $100.

Josh: Which, who, I'm curious if anyone has watched our, is, you know, watching our show or listening and has successfully done it, let us know. But the, there's actually, so I saw our client Milkshake, it's a great, great new app that's getting built. It's actually, if you go to, what's their, milkshake.app, go.milkshake on Instagram.

Tommy: milkshake.app.

Josh: milkshake.app is their website, but they're basically making it easy for you to create like a microsite. So on your Instagram bio, you can click off and people, you can put links on there and about section, all that sort of stuff. They got verified on the weekend. I was like, fuck Milkshake, they're new and they're already done.

Tommy: Who do we think?

Josh: It must be Madeline from their team.

Tommy: But, or they paid the $100 through secure PayPal.

Josh: No, so what I ended up, I ended up looking into it and Bree said, um, oh, like, uh, Hey Tiger has the option of being verified too. However, the thing at the moment is Hey Tiger is Hey Tiger Co on Instagram. And so what Bree is grappling with at the moment is they've got all of this, uh, SEO juice and tags and all that sort of thing for Hey Tiger Co. But she's trying to work out, should they try— if you get verified, you can't then change the name. Yeah. So the question is, should she try and get Hey Tiger? It's currently got someone on an account or whatever. Yeah, but it's not like super active.

Tommy: There is way if you have an in with Instagram.

Josh: But my thing is, but I mean, to your point, 3D Deal the other day, you don't want to change your name to 3D Deal on Instagram. For what you say?

Unknown: Yeah, because then I will lose any of the other pictures that I've been tagged in since I got in.

Josh: So 3D Dill, with the size of his personal brand, if he cares that much— no offense, Dill, but you're, um, yeah, you're, uh, what would we would describe as a, um, low-level micro-influencer.

Unknown: I don't know, I think I have more personal followers than the Daily Dachshund.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Yeah, when you've So how long you been on there for, mate?

Unknown: Uh, I was in grade 10.

Josh: Grade 10, yeah, so a year ago. Um, no, but if you are younger, younger people generally outside of Mr. 97, because he only discovered Instagram a few weeks ago. Yeah, um, uh, but the younger people have a huge, a much higher rate of engagement.

Tommy: I wonder why that is.

Josh: If you're showing skin, especially people at church, like the church community I just—

Tommy: there's such a high engagement rate.

Josh: Would you consider joining a church if it guaranteed— it's almost like the new age Instagram pull.

Tommy: I mean, got to put a bit of, uh, time in every Sunday, a bit of worship happening. Head up to Hillsong, Melbourne CBD. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's an option.

Josh: See, a good way of, um, upskilling with like, um, using some of their black magic gear.

Tommy: And yeah, yeah, I mean, but then you've got to have— then you've got to— so then we've got to funnel them back to the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: From the church.

Tommy: From the church.

Josh: That's a hard one.

Tommy: Maybe I just fully flat out— what's your name? The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: No, I changed it. What was your name? No, it's always been The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: I think like there is a strategy in becoming friends of different religious organizations. Yeah, where we're not part of them specifically, but Hillsong could say, yeah, uh, Daily Talk Show, friends of Hillsong.

Tommy: Mate, have you— you know Egg Boy, the kid who egged that politician, loose unit politician Fraser Anning. Um, so he's got like now 600,000, 700,000 followers on Instagram.

Josh: The egg boy does?

Tommy: Egg boy does. Outrageous, outrageous. Anyway, I'd say 80% of them are Muslim.

Josh: Oh really?

Tommy: They're like, you know, um, you know, uh, what is it, the god? So they reference their god. Yeah, Allah. You know, there's like all these references to this kid and that you know, we're praying for you, you were such a great person. Like, it's, it's free. Let me just—

Josh: there is definitely an advantage for us becoming— if we write down sort of the top 5, get into the communities. If we all sort of— if we're all responsible to going to one sort of church event or religious event a week.

Tommy: Will Connolly is his name. Oh, he's got a photo with Jules Lund, the last photo that he's got up, which is the biggest cult leader we know. And this is like, um, "Hafidh's Fatah," "Egg Boy, how are you?" And so it's like all these people from— yeah, like, um, Arabic writing here which I can't read. "We love you, Egg Boy." So many people, like, he gets hundreds of comments and a lot of them from the, you know, Muslim community. Anyway, back on the Instagram verification, we need to egg somebody to get us our cloud. You could do some kind of stunt, you know, like, it's, it's harder than ever to get a follow on Instagram. Cut through harder than ever. Like, you can't— you know, Hamish Blake puts up a thing, you might get one or two. It's like it just doesn't—

Josh: one or two what?

Tommy: Follows. Doesn't happen anymore. Like, if he tags the Daily Talk Show—

Josh: ah, yeah, sure.

Tommy: It's not— it's not a sure way for someone to just go up, go to there, go follow, you know, even if the content's good. Yeah, I mean, Mason might have to get his skin out a bit more. Yeah, lathering up that coconut.

Josh: Would you ever do a reach out? But then we get, uh, yeah, eventually summer in summertime.

Mason: Yeah, I reckon we could.

Josh: Yeah, we could do a rig shot. Do you know what I'd love? If we were to paint the picture of what the rig shot is, could we get—

Tommy: what's that, um, coconut brand?

Josh: No, no, no, what is the, um, the thing that you throw that goes—

Mason: oh, vortex.

Josh: Vortex. Yeah, I think Mr. 97 on a backward swing with a vortex about to throw it in a summer sort of scenario. Maybe lakeside would look great.

Tommy: I mean, Mr. 97 had a few slide-ins to his DMs from, you know, some gay blokes, and they love Mr. 97. He's got that sort of young, cute, you know, innocent look about him. Yeah, that'd eat you up, mate. Be careful.

Josh: No, I think it's, um, yeah, across the board he's had a lot of interest. Yeah, yeah, right.

Tommy: And I just want you to take something.

Josh: Yeah. Uh, so the Vortex shop, we can definitely organize. So my Instagram verification, just very quickly before we go, uh, I submitted on Instagram. You can actually go to settings, yeah, and you can say verify my account, click it, and then I put in the Daily Talk Show, like, the details. And then the one thing I think I may have fucked up is I took a photo that asked for documentation, and I just took a photo of my, um driver's license.

Tommy: But high chance you'll be flagged for fraud now from—

Josh: yeah, exactly, based on all of your shit. But because there's Josh Janson, I don't know. Yeah, which then I went down a rabbit hole of should we have more official documents for the Daily Talk Show?

Tommy: I mean, the brand page, how do you— how does anyone do it?

Josh: Because you would have like a company, like we've got big media company or whatever.

Tommy: Oh, by the director.

Josh: Yeah, so we need to work out, get its own bloody entity.

Tommy: Ah, that's hard.

Josh: We could do it.

Tommy: This is why people just pay Hopefully you can actually just pay. We actually, um, got a— someone slid into our DMs, Demi. She said, uh, I posted up a photo of you, Matt Diavella, and I, um, and I just said, listen, because Josh is on the latest ep of Matt Diavella's podcast, The Ground Up Show, and Demi said, listen, the other day, such a good ep, love your work.

Josh: Thank you.

Mason: Yeah, it was good actually. I listened to it on the weekend.

Josh: Oh, that's great. Would you— I can't even— I cannot remember what I said.

Mason: Yeah, it was—

Josh: no, it was a lot of it was, um, I asked 3D Dill and he said, oh, you talked about, uh, Sam Harris meditation. Like, that was fucking Tommy. No, because—

Mason: yeah, because you were talking about like a routine and then it sort of like went a bit off track towards the end. I can't even remember what you— it was a bit all over the place at the end. It was good. It was interesting though. Like, you talked about all these different—

Tommy: I think we're in the game of just someone enjoying their time when they listen. Yeah, I guess not just the specific takeaway.

Josh: You can't take away anything. We're on Uncommon.

Tommy: Oh yeah, when's that coming out?

Josh: This week. When's it coming out? Thursday?

Mason: Not sure when it's coming out, but it will be soon.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: You wrote back to the email?

Mason: Yeah, I said it was great. Listen, it was good. I really enjoyed it.

Josh: Yeah, you've got a sneak peek. So that's coming out. I think it's this week. I think my guess would be Thursday. Yeah, yeah, I reckon.

Tommy: Yeah, with George. We'll add it to the promises list that hasn't come through.

Josh: I think the biggest promise right now is the 360. Did you hear that in my voice? I feel like I'm very— it's whenever I'm on a 2-day, I get a bit gurgly because I feel like it's like running.

Tommy: It's fucking 7 kilos of hot chips from the— and you probably got into— stuck into Dills as well. Like, that's probably why.

Josh: We actually had doughnuts as well.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I had 6. We bought 6 for $6.

Josh: Um, 6.

Tommy: Oh, they were real good. They were real good donuts. Um, from Southland yesterday.

Josh: Is that— did you do the post on Instagram?

Tommy: Yeah, that was from Donut King.

Josh: Did you not— you didn't sign off?

Mason: Yeah, I thought that was Dill.

Josh: I thought—

Mason: and then Dill said it was you, Josh.

Josh: And then it wasn't me.

Tommy: Instagram story. It was in his Instagram story, so I didn't really need to sign off. It was just— I basically showed a doughnut machine and I was like, should we hire one of these for Fat Fridays? We should— we could, which I think was— they're a machine. Like you can hire pancake machines. I just want to hire the automated ones where it's just done. Press the button, puts it into the fucking cinnamon. Oh, a good cinnamon doughnut is so good.

Josh: Could we get a cinnamon shaker in the office?

Tommy: No, what for? What do you mean? Just the spice?

Josh: No, like, so you got cinnamon, ground cinnamon. Yeah. But what's the shit they're putting on? Is it like a sugar cinnamon mix?

Tommy: It's, you can make it yourself. When I got like real obsessed with fucking trying to be lean, I'd use like, um, you know, that sort of that sugar that's not sugar.

Josh: It's like stevia.

Tommy: Yeah, Natvia actually do a granular sugar, so it looks and feels like sugar, but I mix that into half a little bottle of cinnamon and I mix it up and I put it onto the, um, put it onto porridge. It was lovely. You could put it onto anything, but it was, yeah, it made you shit yourself because it was that, you know, that artificial, that plant.

Josh: I'm glad Mr. 97's feeling better anyway.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Good to have you back, mate. We missed you.

Mason: Yeah, good to be back.

Tommy: Uh, anything, Mr. 97, that we need to just sign off on?

Mason: Um, yeah, so the, uh, the patches and the squeegees are ready to go out today.

Josh: What's happening with the hats? I said I needed them out today.

Mason: No, the hats, the hats are delayed.

Tommy: Bottleneck.

Josh: What do you mean a bottleneck?

Mason: Nah, we, we, we, um, changed mine last minute, so we're—

Josh: It wasn't a change of mind, it was a huge upgrade. We've We've got higher quality hats.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: We spoke to our merchant, merch king Hayden. Yeah. Who has hooked us up with a solution.

Mason: They're going to be good.

Josh: They're going to be. It's a huge upgrade.

Tommy: Embroidered hats.

Mason: A lot better than our iron-on.

Josh: Yeah. So the iron-on patches will be, they're going out today.

Tommy: They still serve a great purpose. Oh, absolutely.

Josh: Because you can put them on anything.

Tommy: Kat, yeah, Kat from Nando's, her dog has like this sort of like a little Levi, not Levi, like denim jacket, and she's put a few stickers on, a few little patches. So we're going to give her one to iron onto her dog's coat.

Josh: Could you put it on Abby? Has Abby got a coat?

Mason: No, she doesn't have a coat, no.

Josh: What does she do in winter?

Mason: Nothing, she just freezes. Yeah, well, she's inside all the time.

Josh: Baby doesn't leave.

Mason: Exactly.

Josh: She barked at me so much yesterday. She was in the office.

Unknown: Yeah.

Tommy: Came into this office?

Mason: Came into the office, yeah.

Josh: Really?

Mason: And I, uh, when we were picking up dill yesterday.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so I was very, very close to punching it. No, to barking back. Like, so I was like very low.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a natural instinct, you know.

Josh: Yeah. And Mr. 97's mum Denise was here, so I didn't want to sort of act up poorly.

Tommy: But no, Denise, he will bark back.

Josh: Yeah, next time I will bark back. But so we've got that, but also hay time Tiger. Yes, uh, on Friday for Fat Fridays, Hey Tiger, um, gave us some epic chocolate, uh, which is Gemma's favourite chocolate. Anyway, we've— we had a couple of orders using the Daily Talk Show— that hashtag— oh, sorry, not hashtag, the discount code. Yep, we get a free mystery mini. However, there is a slight embarrassment based on Breeze, the marketing director, she pitched it. Ah, the Daily Talk Show, you should support the podcast, it's great, they've got heaps of listeners. We get 2 fucking orders.

Mason: 2?

Tommy: I'm happy with 2. Imagine none. Like, we got to be optimistic here, boys. But the thing is that you didn't like my idea of putting it on OzBargain. We could have seen a bunch of gronks get this patch that they have no idea. Yeah, what's this?

Josh: Well, they had a big— they had a huge amount of orders, but only a couple used our—

Tommy: yeah.

Josh: And so I was saying, oh, maybe people didn't want to use the, which made no sense, the coupon code. So anyway, the coupon code or discount code or whatever they call it on their website is active until June 24th.

Tommy: All right. That's enough time to get a few more orders.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: So, and the code is The Daily Talk Show, no spaces.

Josh: Correct.

Mason: All in caps or it doesn't have to be.

Josh: I'm guessing. But the thing is that if you do that, you get a mystery mini, which is great. So they throw in a free little chocolate.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Plus I have given them, and this is why I'm slightly embarrassed, I gave them about 20 patches and about 50 stickers to include in all of them. And so what's Hey Tigers? Is it heytiger.com.au? What's the actual— because that's what I didn't, I didn't actually say the, um, we didn't do the URL, mate.

Tommy: If we didn't say the URL, if we didn't say the URL and 2 people bought something. Yeah, that's a fact. So that's a win.

Josh: Heytiger.com.au. Try the chocolate. It's, uh, supporting farmers in West Africa through the Hunger Project. It's a social enterprise. It was started by Cyan Tate, a friend of ours who's been on the show. And use the discount code The Daily Talk Show at checkout.

Tommy: All right, uh, we've been waffling on for a while, but I'll just finish up with some, um, reviews that have come through. Yeah, uh, we've got one from Cam Shand, a couple of Aussies having a chat about their day. It may be related to the media creation industry, interviewing some of the world's leading industry experts and game changers of our time, or it's just a random talk about cereal, the Asian food shop across the road, or anything else that's popped up into the mind of Josh. Tommy tends to stay on topic more so. Remember to cheque out their YouTube channel if there's a visually enhanced segment, all the insta storeys for some quality behind the scenes. Thanks, man. That's an in-depth review.

Josh: And thanks as well to Jase, who likes to be called Jay. Yeah, Jay from the Coconut Crew.

Tommy: Is that Jase?

Mason: That's Jase. Yeah, that's my mate.

Tommy: How do you get Jay out of Jase?

Josh: Jase.

Mason: Jay.

Josh: Jay is the letter that starts with Jase.

Tommy: T, because you're calling me T, but then he spells it— I'm not spelling it T-E-E, I want to be called T. He spells it J-A-Y, so it's like a completely different name.

Josh: He said, I've never been a fan of podcasts up until now. Ahead of the game. It's very hard reading Tommy's screen because I didn't have it up.

Tommy: But he missed the bit funny, witty, entertaining, personable, and lovable. Feels like I've known them my whole life.

Josh: That's nice, thanks, Jase.

Tommy: Have you met the Coconut Crew yet?

Josh: No, I haven't.

Tommy: All right, maybe we need to get the Coconut Crew in for a Fat Fridays when we've got our studio set up.

Josh: Maybe we can be coconut themed.

Tommy: Maybe we can get the Coconut Crew doing an eating contest. Like we're up here and they're over there with, you know, on a table where they're having to go, 3, 2, 1, get through as many Weet-Bix with no water, with no liquid.

Josh: That'd be good. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com is our email address if you want to send us an email. As you heard, we did a, we've been doing Instagram Lives and being very active on Instagram. So if you haven't followed us on there yet, it's The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: And if you've watched our Insta story, Josh is onto you if you don't follow us.

Josh: Just give us a follow. Just why don't you? It's just, it's easier. It will actually just come up onto your phone rather than having to search us, search us, click through, click through all the storeys and then leave. Yeah.

Tommy: To be a good person, follow them to go, we're listening. We know, we know.

Josh: There's a bit of that. There is. I think there is some spam from Russia that have specifically, like, that's a tactic they use because there's a few Russian models who viewed our stuff.

Tommy: No, that sounds about legit. A few Russians.

Josh: It's from Europe.

Tommy: No, they heard about Mr. 97. Young 19-year-old might be able to marry him, move to Australia, the great land. Who knows?

Josh: Anyway, it's a daily talk show. We'll see you tomorrow, guys.