#220 – Suburb Snob/
- November 19, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Monday November 19 (Ep 220) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, Tommy’s on the slurpees, Josh confronts his refund fears, can AfterPay affect your credit score, actually using the library as an adult and the irrational fear of living in the ‘burbs.
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that beats hang on fat Friday's is now this is
the less than 1% sugar for the Slurpee. This would be great. And if it was an ad, but I just I felt like I needed something before today's show. So I did a quick mission down to seven 11th graders get a Slurpee I was I was actually pretty surprised that all four burners were gallon or four. Yeah, also for 75 is we're actually working.
What? So you've gone the 1% sugar? Is that the idea? 1%. Sugar 99%. cancer?
Yeah, it's so full on. But I just thought like, this is 1% of this whole thing is
1% of the car like I'm sure they're fucking with you. I'm sure that the the, if you think about it, it's quite getting a lot of slip actions. Yes, that's fine. But I would assume that there's a lot of like the actual amount of syrup that you getting that much. Well, if I if I was pulling her Sarah Wilson I wouldn't be happy.
Yeah, I quit sugar. I haven't quit sugar. So I'm all good. If anything. I've got a little sugar hit for today. That's good. A little bit of a buzz just a tiny little
Yeah, well, how you feeling after our, our returns mission?
I'm feeling once it hits my account. Yeah, it will feel good.
Well, so bring you up to speed. Everybody. Josh, we purchased something for the podcast. Yeah, it was on special. And so it was like highly discounted, but still quite expensive bills a bargain. I even had some reassurance from Richard next door who said, Yeah,
that was it was a good deal. No, but the funny thing is, it was at the taping phase of as we're transitioning into the business where I could still manage to justify it by saying, Hey, I'm going to buy this through my business and full stack and then we can transfer it over blah blah, which was a great mic mechanism. The final mechanism the final chance I had of buying something Yeah, that expensive without pre approval and
and then today I said my saying is we're not using this direction. You could take that back you will not accept it.
Those will go back there was a whole nother bit to that which was over the weekend. I saw Trevor long as his his podcast, he did a article about road. Road do like microphones, microphones, not the specific ones but we've got rode microphones they do awesome rz
company. Yeah, it's there. They like the pioneers of some of the camera onboard camera microphone. Yeah, like super
easy solutions that are still the video quality yo and stuff like that. And so Casey nice that uses anyway, they not to get too technical, but they just released a mixer that has all of this technology integrated into it, which is perfect for live streaming for podcasting. You can take phone calls, we can take.
Yeah, so you can have my mobile phone, someone calls that and we Bluetooth that to the mixer. It's called
the road caster if you want to.
It's pretty much a radio studio for that for about 800 bucks. Yeah.
And because I was, I was looking, I went to the x that exposure I was in Amsterdam for and there was there were all these companies doing sort of, they call them console's like mixers or whatever, but none of their offer radio, they're not designed. They're like 10s of thousands of dollars, or at least five grand. So I'd found the solution that was like 2700 bucks, and I was going to put it all to get like, do a bit of a hack job was a real custom solution. And then road over the weekend came up with this.
As I said, you should, should you try and directly can even because it's been like three weeks. And there was a bit of pushback, but I totally pushed through it because I knew what the pushback is. The pushback is people who don't want to return shit, because it makes them feel a bit uncomfortable. Because you have to engage in this, there's a chance that they won't. There's this awkward conversation about why you want to return it. And then there's potentially some bullshit, you're going to spin it like if they've got some policies around it, even if you just aren't going to use it. And so you did the first thing which is all look at their website. And I just wanted you to call straight up to see if they would but turns out they had a 30 day money back guarantee policy. Yeah, genius. So So you've got your money back.
Well, it hasn't hit the the camera yet but
one console down. So if they if they don't
give you money, exactly, Jr. But no, it was it was a very good lesson. Maybe part of it was because on the weekend on Sunday, I had Yaki and it was so delighted that they gave it to me on the house. Maybe all of these things are sort of I didn't even have to ask for that. Yeah, so maybe it was giving me the confidence to be a customer that sort of it wasn't even a complaint.
Yeah. Well, we've talked about PayPal using like after pie. And and Michelle wrote us a really interesting email about people in the UK doing this where they getting stuff sent to them, no, check it and then send it back or sorry that we're at to an event. Make sure it's clean, and then send it back. So there's this there's a there's a big issue. I mean, had done it a couple of times, just because she wanted to visually see from an online store what the garment look like, and then she sent the garment back but that's that's like there's still it's not like going into the store like we bought some shoes for Bodie me bought some shoes for birdie on the weekend. these cute little things. They're like little sandals and boat he's got a fat fat for he's got the biggest foot it's like two centimetres longer than he's nice cousins foot. So my brother's daughter but he's a year older that and it's wide. Yeah, he's a big fat for the break.
probably end up being what I like to call the New Balance club. Oh, yeah.
Well, I went you balance because I was actually no joke. I was in a CVS supermarket. washing my hands and a guy said this. This old dude who would have been probably not that old, maybe in his 60s or something. him and I were having a great combo about how great New Balance he saw my new balance shoes. Good good banter. Yeah, nice. And he was talking about how great it is for wide feet. He said it was the way he did the wide foot
and Shaq is bringing it in. He bring Hey, you're one of the one of the crew but yeah, buddy Bye. We bought the shoes. And he wore them around the house for a while and they cut into his foot. And we Amy said to my mom, can you take these back because Southland was closed when we realised that his foot was too wide. We got the original side and on the wide foot size
I would actually be up for returning if I outsourced it. Yeah. So so you mounted Yeah, sure.
Yeah. And she went back and got them but this is so you, there's a high chance of something you wearing in the shop has been returned or worn by someone some little snotty kid or an adult that's just wanting something taken back. So there is something weird about I always think about what people do with the thing when it goes like this. What do you think they're going to do with this piece of audio equipment that you've I guess
I'll put it I don't know what they'll do. I guess that they would probably sell it as a open box at a reduced price. I got it on sale anyway. So I feel like they're just going to sell what the sale price was. That'd be my guess.
What about like those mattress companies that do the hundred day return?
Surely they're banking on just people know, I know what they actually do. Send them to charities. That's good. That's the whole like, I think it was Casper or one of them. That's that was it Casper? Casper
was no cancer was a
Yeah, might still be one of them. They their whole thing is if you don't like it, they'll ship it to a like a charity centre type of thing. Yeah, but the I have actually returned stuff before. I don't know. This would have been pre us starting the podcast. But I was getting into Mr. Porter. They see my friendship and our friendship. To Mr. Porter. Now you've
had that many parcels arrive. You had one with about 70 books arrived today. I'm looking over the stacks. As long as my arm you've got a very God.
so my point being is you've had a lot of a lot of parcels arrived. Well, there's been a lot of anxiety around my past companies. I haven't got my thing. Have I got a new t shirts I got with new socks. So which one is it?
One of them? No. So it's similar? No, Mr. Porter. Actually, I am not bad at all. I know. A guy who every day would have packages there's always someone that takes more heroin the new Yeah, that's very true. The So Mr. Porter. What I was always I remember Bry got me some socks from Mr. Porter. One year for Christmas. Doctor Who? The doctor who know Mr. Who know what's the what's the Doctor Who? Don't know. Now it's not what I'm even thinking. Feel. What's that? What's that board game where you get it? Yeah, it's not Guess who? I thought Guess who but then what I realised I was thinking of what's the mystery one where it's like, Ah, there's a spoon and a Pluto Pluto? So Bry How the fuck do I know this break on me like an old school version of Cluedo. Yeah, for Mr. Porter. And it came in this like, beautiful box. And I had Joshua Janssen written out like really nice like calligraphy. You open it up and so wrapped it was really beautiful. And then so I stopped they would they do a thing every year. It's like if you spend over 300 bucks, you get free delivery. Yeah. So I just that was my phase where if you saw me always wearing Saturday's New York City t shirts. That was all for okay. Yeah, but my point is what's
what's happened is out of hand if you don't want to wear that
they currently just sitting in a bag. So I've got a pretty like, What's wrong with it? No, there's nothing wrong with him. I'm just thinking like, it's probably better giving them to you then not doing anything with them at all. Yeah, I've got work yet. Yeah, cuz that whole thing where it's like h t shirt was like 60 bucks. But you did you really, really gave it a good crack you wearing those satellites. You had people trolling you, oh, you wearing this. If you go to youtube.com, forward slash Janssen, every video I'm wearing a different set of those New York City, which I got self conscious. So now, I have no branding, which they would just think you're wearing the same thing every day, which is correct. That's very true. No, but the good thing about Mr. Porter, even though they're based in the UK, yeah, they would do free returns, and they'll give you a DHL slip
as to send it back. That's pretty good. I mean, they're banking on paypal not wanting not doing this stuff, right? Or, or at least not every client doing this.
I definitely I wanted to say when I was at the
sound shop that will returning this piece of gear at, I wanted to say on normally return stuff. But I just felt like it was a justification. I didn't need to say it's been my, my observation was around just the consumer psychology like someone who is purchase something. And just like all the things that go through your mind around the purchasing process, the justification then into the returns, how you stay thinking about the returns. It's fascinating. This is why it's so dangerous. It's why people are addicted to shopping online,
talking about addicted in this after pay thing. Can you I've never done after pay. Yeah. What is the actual process today? Is it a heat on your credit score? Like is it like taking out a mini loan or something or not?
I'm not 100%. shining on it. So it says you can own this for $10 a week? And then so at the checkout, you can pay with after pay. So would be using a line of credit? Yeah. And so on my bank statement I've seen after pay a week later after pie week later after pie. So it is you're paying the dividend or you're paying into after pay down the amount that they have for Yeah, so it is it's a line of credit. And so if you lapsed on your after pay payments, it would affect your credit score hundred percent. Mr. 97. Can you just double check that? Does it affect you like because this will be super bad? This would be affecting a lot of young people who who have already bad credit schools. Do you have the views that get your credit score? thing? Yeah, use it and then I just don't stop emailing me. Really?
No, I check every month. I like it. I like it as a bit of a thing. I haven't worked out
anything like I mean, what do you eat comparing against yourself? Yeah, absolutely. Like, it's not
that but i, i fluctuate between good and very good. Yeah. And the good month, what have I done different? Like, it doesn't completely make sense. And most of you haven't worked out what it is? Because I don't even have Yeah, I don't know. Like it's paying the phone bills on time. Will you need debt to build the credit score? Right. So it's all like phone bill? Yeah, we'll get credit score. The weird thing is that the advice in like the US books like financial books will give you is so different to the Australian ones, because in the US, it really pays to have credit cards. Yeah. And so remain safeties book. I'll teach you how to be rich. I think it's called. He talks about like the whole plant your financial, like freedom type of plan. And it involves getting like 10 credit cards. What's the answer?
Yeah, Mr. is going to
you what is the after pay credit stuff? Yes, I have to pay reserves, right to perform credit checks, and to report negative negative activity on your account. So credit unions and bureaus.
So it is a lot of credit because they can affect
whether they're doing it or not. Because that's that doesn't make it clear
that they are doing they're paying for the thing, so you get to purchase an item. So they're doing like flights now. So holidays on after pay. And I saw one other one popped up my brother's actually got shares in after pay got in quite early. Did you have to pay a month they after paying their capital rising, I saw a guy go hard on them on LinkedIn. And it was actually a dude I would promise go with, and he's got a business. And he sells dog food. And so it's a bit more he sells that. And it's like a really sustainable packaging and all this stuff. So his whole take on it was like it made sense. What I'm saying is it made sense the sort of attack he chose the path he went down in commenting on this post that said after pays just to seal the, you know, next round of funding at you know, hundred million dollars and some ridiculous thing to go global. And he was like, going so hard on them. How does after pay make money? I wonder? That's it probably to his point. Because if everyone it's relying on people missing payments, that too, but the Wi Fi on you there though? Yes, Mason
$97 makes total sense. Yeah. But the I saw that PayPal even has their own version.
Yeah. So you can I was going to buy something the other day. And I saw it saying all we can do it is it's it is contributing to the consumer economy of just kids being in debt. And that's what this guy was saying on LinkedIn is like, yeah, way to celebrate. You know, driving young people deeper into debt. Yeah. And I was like, geez, is the he was down on the shades.
Have you ever done the light by thing Have you ever laboured in a thing in your life?
I just remember lay by being connected with toys. Yet Toys R Us On The Road was the toy shop I would frequent. And I remember just like being on like going in sort of chipping away at like something that I wanted. Bye. Bye. You don't get it until you actually pay off the library. Right? Yeah. So this is the difference. This is like,
it seems like they've got to store the thing. Like his big wda physically. Take it off the shelf and put it back somewhere.
It's it's completely ridiculous. It actually makes sense. The after pie, it's the live I in reverse. Give you the audit, you just walked into paying so you can't fuck up. And if you do, it'll end up really badly
to know what blew my mind. You have like a probably Wednesday last week I wanted to someone had recommended a book. And there was it was a pretty rare book and I had to order it overseas. Anyway, it was like a $40 book, which is sort of like higher end of books like if you sighs small low range would be $15 25 to $30 would be standard 45 plus ease sort of middle range getting an expensive hundred dollar plus is sort of your textbook slash coffee table book. Yeah, ISIS is like 45 bucks. And then I had this revelation. The fucking library.
You can go in and barter. Well, yeah. Yeah, true.
Have you? Yeah.
I can't, I can't even actually I do know I was doing when I was working in Barstow and I was working on a minimum viable product for auto photos, which was going to be like the Uber for photography. I remember it. Yeah. And I was the I was the lead photographer. So I was like on secondment, and was working with cyan, who's the founder of the auto and mid mine. And she would basically, there was a group of four of us working on this minimum viable product. And so when someone would order photos to be done, I would actually go out and take some of the photos to say you'd like what the experience was like. And our friend Joe who works at in Bartow actually got a photos done and I went to the library and took some I get the like, other kid like, looking like reading books and share. That's cool. So that was the last time
I tell you, who's quite a frequenter to the library, be Mac really listen to the show. He loves it. seen him in the library plenty of time. What do you mean, you've seen him in the library? Cuz he posted about it. It's basically the buying a book at the airport, virtue signal that you do in good shape Is that a thing is the
I actually think that I'd have the same problem. If I went to the library. I'd be spending a lot of time Instagram again.
I went to go to the library. So down in Cheltenham, when my parents leave. There's like the bone Morris library near the high school that actually went to and I went, and it was closed. So that was only probably for three months ago. Yeah. Eric, and while you're overseas, I went there because I just need to get some work done. wanted some internet on some peace and quiet closed
was good internet.
Well, yeah, that's what I've heard there is I know St. Kilda, Town Hall, just near where I live. There's the St Kilda library across the road. And you see all these people sort of sitting outside like right up against the wall. They're all taking the the Wi Fi backpackers, delivery drivers.
I had a mate of mine who he said that he was going to break up with these girlfriend, he hadn't yet. I said, What's the deal? What's going like you keep saying that you broken up, but you still hanging out? He said, I'm I'm just going to a house because she has an MBA. And I just don't i don't buy that as an excuse when you've got things like if you don't have into the library. But
yeah, I guess that's another option. But then there's no chance of actually getting a bit of special credit.
At the line, I get special
kind of library. Yeah, I guess that's my point. It's clearly not just about the spiritual cuddles, it's not about the NBA, the NBA now thinking to brag about that's the only time that the MBA is actually being used as a positive excuse for something because I had to go for the MBA and even that great scheme, the Australian government's role there, man. It's great.
I when I was thinking about the library, I must have mentioned it to mom and she said are you could the library in rivals actually just around the corner? You could go there. Yeah. And I had a realisation of the asshole that I am. Or have become, I've got a real prejudice to like, I'm a little bit embarrassed about the suburbs. I'm living at the moment and I shouldn't be. And
it shouldn't be we drove past and we made comment. There was a guy fishing in the like, there was like side properties that were that were amazing.
He's a couple of and this is just shows how much like this is me being very honest about how much of a whining I can be. I realised that I didn't want to go to the library because I didn't want to get the be the Roseville like library card. Like I just wasn't ready for that commitment. But not only that, I realised I caught up with a friend last night. And I've worked out every time I tell people like they're like, oh, what are you doing now that you back? I say oh, I was housesitting. And I always lead without hassle and enrichment. And now I'm only in Rovell for a few weeks. Yeah,
no, I get it. I think there's an identity wrapped up in all of this stuff. Leaving it back at home this. I mean, you could easily feel like, you know, I know you, I think your situation is different. So you should, what I would do, because I would feel of a similar nature, but just leverage the fact that you've just got back
on the temporary, but we shouldn't have to justify it. That's my, like, No, I just don't want to be like, I'm not like, this isn't permanent for me.
But I get that it's also like you worrying about the judgement on you guys move
back. judging myself. I think in that moment, do we judge ourselves based on what we think of others not saying you always think I will know I think home yeah, maybe no, but it's not living at home. Maybe it's the maybe it's the idea that if you living in a certain suburb you think a certain way or that you
say right now I grew up in one of the best suburbs in Melbourne. It's the anti snow to grow up. And like you kind of harsh about the fact that you grew up in Brighton. Yeah, because people like oh, Brad's no fancy so you kind of like you want to be a bit ratty Yeah,
yeah. You want to you know be from the St Kilda raised
and gas that was the suburb I grew up in was garden and Brighton pushed its postcode out further. I should be fine we can grow but it's the opposite. You're from the burbs you want to be from the hoity toity suburbs I grew up in the hoity toity 70s the bird that's nothing it's not even the
suburbs. I just want to be a little bit more in this. I probably probably be okay with Doncaster or even going I think I want an extreme. I feel like Roseville is in the middle. I'll take your Valley like around there one of those suburbs. Yeah. Or in a city. I don't like that the middle ground is making me uncomfortable. Yeah. Which I understand it's fact. But it was even with my Vic because my Vic Roads licence expired while we're away. And we've got the driver's licence.
Yeah. What did I say Vic rights internationally. I got
so when it came to signing up, but I kept my old address with the idea that I've got a p o box set up p o box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 3067. If you'd like to send us something so that it would forward to my P o box. I wouldn't necessarily have to get Roseville on my driver's licence. So funny. It's bad though, isn't it? Like it is like I I'm recognising here right now. That's a bit fact up. I think that no judgement on people who are living in the outer suburbs. It has more to do with maybe?
Yeah, I don't know. It may it's
like making it Your mom's pies. It's gonna pool. It's got a nice garden. It's gonna spot it's a rental. It's like, my I could fucking move out there. Like I think about this.
There's an Yeah, there's definitely an appeal. And I can definitely like we had a group we did our show. Yeah, from style Park, which was great as
well, any like if we rented that your mom's house in one of these sub in a suburb? It'd be like two grand away. Yeah.
Yeah. And so I get that, but I just thought it was an interesting observation of how we judge ourselves. 100%
I think it's okay, I don't think it's that impactful on other people says more about what you're thinking is but that's okay. Like this is what you're trying to do. You're trying to change it
when I was at Fonda at Knox ozone, which is close by the shopping centre. Now I'm now that we went there for for dinner one night and brain I was seated next to a couple, a couple who were on their first day. Cute. And so I couldn't talk to break like brain I would just sitting there staring at each other and listening. Yeah, well, Bry said she's like, I guess we've were just quiet. We're just looking at each other. And she said, Well, I guess we've been together for a while. I said, No, it's not that it's more that I just can't do two things at once. And the guy said he was apparently from Hawthorne. And he said to the girl. Oh, so what's like living in endeavour hills. That was one of these questions, really? So it's I'm not the only one who has a little bit of pushback. But I hope that I at least have some form of self awareness that I know it's a little bit of fact up.
Yeah. It is a weird one. I remember going on a few dates with girls from the outer suburbs. And there was a bit of that. I probably asked that question. Tell me what's it like growing up in an area Warren? I get it. poor bastard. But the big which is in the guy that
question. The you were mentioning about people posting on social when they're away.
So there's this one person in my feed. I won't say their name is the ones I won't actually said that. Now when he said it first, I'm gonna leave them anonymous. But I constantly Am I can I just say I've got some new active shorts on and I think that my current stance is maybe a little bit. If I were wearing underwear, you would
definitely be slowed. I just had to walk past and did a double.
sort of got my leg up. Maybe we could get a photo don't get a photo and we'll post it on. Yeah, there's a lot of leg action
leg to be closed.
off like, Yeah, but this one person on my, my fade is always posting. I know what she's doing. She's posting photos of like her in LA. But it's always like, and I get this vibe that it's not. There's never like throwback. This was so much fun. It's like very purposefully posting things that are making her seem like she is in LA. And I'll see it's definitely happens a lot. Social media is that person that's sort of like posting to pretend like you're somewhere I even got vibe of it. When I was when I got back. And there was a week to go before podcaster for our content from the podcast ran out. Yeah. Which wouldn't
have made sense. It's always that I actually find it more obvious when it's Fiji because like, no one's in Fiji for more than fucking two weeks. Like, if anyone ever says to if if you like oh, where you're just like our Fiji going there for a month? Yeah. Could you imagine Fiji for a month? That's one of those I feel like endless you were a bola. And that was like you had a place and you're just like, I'm doing deep work and I'm like that's a Fiji form for four weeks so long. How long do you spend in Fiji? I reckon if you say 10 days Some people say that's a launch 14 days and and you'd have to have some form of justification of
your kids or we're doing a lot of island hopping
or I wish want a holiday and relax
or now just actually that's too long to I think you'd get bored one place yeah, I think it probably fact why am I sounding like such an asshole but I was painting you into a corner
changes being on the big waves and having not much on and buffet every morning sounds beautiful five days. Five days it's I all I can say is the same for Vegas. You can't be in Vegas. Yeah. Because you can only take so many drugs that's true before your nose was off and then you get it for you I saw you man
so get kidnapped so what's what's the most the obvious signs that someone posting retrospectively
bringing into their storeys pulling out photos from ages ago and actually loading it in as a storey so the so acts as if they were in but they give this one person gives it away every time that they then post something in Melbourne and it's like see there's a there's a slight somebody population but they they're playing they're playing into people thinking that they add that they may be a bit bigger it's maybe the fake it till you make it yeah I'm sorry that local many I'm worldly, but then I'm back in Melbourne
and some like me only posting when I'm in Collingwood
you know what go for a walk in the burbs get a nice photo of life.
Yeah, maybe I'll embrace it. Maybe tonight. I'll do a heap of content around Rovell. Yeah, because I feel like my current strategy would be removing any metadata so people don't know my god tag to even the shocking thing when you've taken a photo in Melbourne but you're back at your reality. And you go to post on Instagram it's like row Villa Victoria is like the number one j Oh, yeah. And the only thing personally
I want you to at some point put up a photo. Just a lot of something that explains I mean, we kind of did it on Friday at donut king that was on Friday. We had
a full Neck Beard on that day too. It was pretty busy looking much better thank you but get some get some suburban content into your into my feed place. I could I can do that. And sorry if I sound like an asshole everyone. I'm not like I don't actually feel these. These ways too much.
Michelle, she sent us through an email was this about? Mr. 97? Yeah, Mr. Nine, is it Mr. 97? If you actually thought about Here we go. The man that you want to be? Yeah, I want to be that guy. That
is forgot about let's let's finish the show. What do you What did what did Michelle say? And then So Michelle,
right through and says in coronation Max, I want to be the guy that guy who doesn't know what guy he wants to be. You know, there's a certain amount of openness about that.
So that's what she asked Michelle and I get that no, it's very sort of it's very honest. He's actually more honest and sort of happy with himself than I am begging the suburbs apparently. So Mr. 97 Okay. Give me the mic itching finishing this sentence. I want to be these a sweat dripping dripping down. Okay, I want to be the guy that can you put them on? I want to be the guy that actually said the whole sentence. I want to be the guy that
can be a wall that's right.
Not that long.
I want to be ready just gotta do it. improv 321 I want to be the guy that what's the first thing comes to mind? Nothing
anything ah I want to be the guy that I'm sorry sorry bro.
My literally no idea this is I'm sorry so he's had whole weekend.
Is that really it will give it another week? I think he's got something Yeah, he does but he is obviously thinking about things like the one area that you want to self improve at the moment. We were talking this through the next day next time you're in now and I'll be tomorrow I've already hooked up four times get surely Mr. 97 has something if you got anything just really quickly. It can be set Okay, here we go. This is great. We got one Yep.
All right. I want to be the guy that's a bit more socially confident a bit more charismatic that's really
vulnerable that's a really really good I can relate to Yeah, it's not the funny out that I was hoping for he wants to be the more like Tommy everyone wants he's worked out a way to say I want to be a Tommy Yeah, it's it's it's all it's the hair. Everyone said oh hi the daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email or p o box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 306 73 will actually send a statement just fell in love with nice.
Have a good one, guys.