#176 – A lot of scams/

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conversation sometimes we're recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy john Valley Talk Show Episode 176. Good morning, Tommy jacket.

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Good evening. It's towards the I know

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I'm just cooking. So I think it's nighttime. Geez, I probably shouldn't say Good, good afternoon to you because it's often in my UI EDS morning where I am in Barcelona.

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Just Just say what's up homie? Did you I mean do you see me? Did you know much did you see me moving my jaw just in LA like I've got a soldier or

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what have you know I've

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all right yeah, yeah, I'm not I noticed like one of my one of the sides of my juul right at the back I could feel it was felt like I'd been worked at and could not the life me work it out. But then I realized that the last time I went to the dentist which was like a week ago said to me that I've been grinding my teeth and I kind of just thought it was a UPS upsell to give me a mascot where the bed because it was about 350. But then I then I was thinking about my jaw feels like it's tired. And I think the pain is from a grinding my teeth at night.

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That's fine. Yeah. Is like grinding teeth is the grossest thing like if you've ever woken up like

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there's been once were like, I've I've woken up and Bray was grinding your teeth. It's just like, it's such a full modern, something very primal about it, isn't it? It was like a, like a skeleton light is lying in bed. Just fucking crunching it's Take two. Yeah,

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well, it's like it can be clenching. So you just squeezing. And the result is sort of that way around? Why Bodie doesn't he doesn't have doesn't gauge the annoyance of doing raising the car. Just like fully get nice teeth together. Like car car can actually make noise like

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he can. Yeah, but I think he's just curious by the noise that comes from his mouth when he does it. Because the suede had isn't meaning to be annoying, but a little pissed. Yeah, yet. Actually, I take that back. The one thing he did this morning. We're about to walk out the fucking house and he opens the fruit of the fridge was open. I was checking stuff in there. And I looked away for one second. And the little son of a gun grab the only thing that I didn't want him to in the whole entire fridge. And that was an egg and throw it onto the ground.

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One mouse hole.

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I know it's what I thought. And he's just he he just knew, I reckon he just knew. And he's hot that if I get this to the ground, it will crack

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that's upsetting. Yeah, I think I wonder if I was an extra know I feel like I was an extra annoying kid. But I wonder if that came later. Or whether if we'll have to ask my mom even at the age of you know two or three whether I was doing really annoying shit like I do now.

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You've been annoying since died. So nothing's changed. I did send you that message from mom who's been listening and she said was listening to Episode 170 today and you won't believe it. But we got the same scam email that Josh Scott they quoted an old password and all and I wrote back. dad's been wonky again has anything to do you send me that did you mountain right back to that

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she said told me that's not very nice. We have a web because I said you don't even have a webcam when she said that's the

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funny thing she said we have a webcam but not sure if it works any anyway. Nothing has one terrific Do you think that your mom and dad actually were worried about it? Do you think they're calling their lawyer to work out what to do for crisis mode? The jacket

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household dead dead got the switch

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no I just to recap Josh got an email basically saying that we've got your password you we've caught you ranking on camera. Yeah.

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And we've got a screen recording of your screen as well as for she's your view. Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's a good hack, because I somehow get your power. Yeah, they get the way they're getting their part. The password is because there's databases now with all the different Yeah, there's been a big hacks like Adobe, like I mentioned, where

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Yes, hackers get in, and they basically get your email address and your password. And then that's then on a big database. And then hackers can see okay, Josh, Josh Johnson. If I type in, they can see the passwords 1990 and then they can go on to a get a bot and basically go to all of the different websites online and yeah, yet try that password and say if I hadn't changed it on something.

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The latest scam I saw was

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Charlie Goldsmith who I've spoken about he is a Melbourne dude who is also known as the healer he's got a TV show and he's a energy healer doing some pretty amazing stuff and he deals with a lot of people who are in pain and you know I guess desperate so it makes sense that someone would try and take advantage of his name and he's connection to all these people who are desperate because they'd probably do anything to get time with him to see if he could heal them within solution or not

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is not relevant for this story but he just put this Facebook Instagram story out saying please report this fake profile they use it to scam money out of people and I looked at the username that it fully like they're fully myriad his profile same photos photos of his little baby girl grows. Yeah,

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horrible handles like identical and they've only got like, yeah, they've got 109 posts so they've gone through and taken on the mirror these account that's gross. Anyway, he's username for his personal account is Charlie Goldsmith, and they've used Charlie with a CH AI r l e. So they're getting people who are going to

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accidentally right Charlie and so instead of thinking that like our Charlie go, it's just asking for 500 cash and he'll come to my place is that what's going on? That's what

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though, that's what happens with these you know, healer types or, you know, psychics or I don't know, there's a bunch of sort of people in this space that I've seen before people taking advantage and trying to set up an account where you kind of could stumble to that one. And then I mean, man, I couldn't imagine what it'd be like living just non stop paying 24 hours a day you'd pay whatever price it it. Like, if you could legitimately have your back fixed you'd pay whatever price that I could imagine that's what people are doing and then just sending

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cash it's not ideal full I do wonder about the

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digital profiles and stuff like that what sort of extra checks

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are going to be put in place to make sure that you know if we're signing up to something that's legit now on eBay when I was booking accommodation in real time they needed my passport or other ID and they basically in real time check it so they're like please wait you can't confirm the and then obviously someone at Airbnb looks at the ID before accepting it. Yeah, yeah,

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it's such early days this is this blew my mind a friend of mine I needed to view a site that had like a payment all and it was a script subscription to a newspaper and it was just annoying because it was like you know how some of those sites they like show you some articles from the newspaper but then others you need to sign up and subscribe to actually get access to that content and so it's it's the Herald Sun in Melbourne which in desperate some don't

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give you do that I feel like every article of if it clicked on online through Twitter or something like that I've never been able to actually access if it's the Herald Sun

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yeah maybe maybe I just on the rumor going there as our sort of facing into it now now I've like it just pisses me off I close the browser straightaway and I think factors and I try and find the new somewhere else black couldn't find this specific piece of news that I wanted to find which was about 711 which I'll get to so enjoy

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but what I did was I said to my friend might do you know how you can access this get know what I say was can you try and find if this is somewhere else yeah he said no worries I'll download a plug in and it'll get me past the payment all

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Did you know this is legit like this wasn't my Firefox really you know how chrome have plugins that you can you know, add on to help me download videos that are in Flash players and shit like that

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he downloaded this plugin that just took you pass the payment was interesting on the Herald Sun was

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a lot of people are using ad blockers now. And I like I've never really bothered because I sort of want to see how my dad has being used. I want to say like, Okay, if I visit this site disappears here I feel like given what our jobs

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like we want to have that advertising experience and saying what you know people are advertising to us Yeah, but now I didn't know that you could, you know, use a plug in Do you know what it's actually doing? Is it like creating like a VPN or is it like what's what's the actual process

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yeah I have no idea and notice a I think it's just hang on if you if you actually instill this it's free everyone because I say these that I say it is it legal yeah which i mean i don't know if you were the terms and conditions what are the what's the thing and and if you can get it through the Mozilla App Store then I haven't bad and then he would he did find was that was banned for the Google Chrome so interesting or they removed it so Firefox Mozilla Firefox haven't removed this specific plugin. But then it's like with it. There's

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like this big news. Any other plugins,

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you have your ad blocker on Google crime? Because campaign? So

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what does it actually do it? What does it look like? This is one area I was never bothered to sort of enter into from the tech world. What does an ad blocker look like?

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What don't know, I think you just I don't think you meant to feel that you're not meant to feel it even did you? Can you

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say it but what I can lately Yeah, I'm sure that removed. Like, what I wonder, Is it just taking banner ads. And while I'm less angry, Josh. So it

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probably is like, I don't get a great deal of banner ads at all. I get maybe like the pop up subscription stuff on websites. But yeah, I don't actually get Yeah, I guess it's working. It says that it's blocked 180,000 ads in total, since I've had it.

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That's a fact that the reason that I may be turned off ad blockers because I remember my old when I had a different media company when I was like it media flex. I remember I had this big data be shouted out, he made you flex. I had a big section with them sort of headlines. So it's like, you know, we do media or some bullshit, whatever it was. But anyway, that hating was like a big pain. Jay a big image. And I remember getting emails from people saying, Hi, just so you know, it's been picked up by the ad blocker. And I think Ever since then, I'm like, I don't like the idea of the user experience or the UI being changed by Yeah, different sort of plugin. Yeah,

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interesting. The other one I've got is

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click the download. So it's like, you can download videos from like, flash players and stuff stuff that you can't just drop the link into some website that will download it for you, but also lets you it's interesting in Facebook, when I go on next to any video that's in Facebook, there's like, it gives you this little arrow key at the bottom left of someone's post. And what can I literally just press that? I press that and it downloads the video? That's like a flash view. What what sort of file format does it give it to you in this one? I just did this on some bloke it says when you finally get to vacation, gotta download some bullshit business. mp4. Hd mp4, this means compressor Facebook, but yeah, yeah, you know, how we so the reason we going on Sorry, go

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I was just gonna say the

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talking about the passport stuff reminded me My friend is doing an internship at a hotel in Barcelona. And she was saying to, you know, how they, when you go to a hotel, they collect your passport information, you know it like when you get there, they asked for your thoughts for both guests. Most times. Yeah. Do you know what they actually do with that information?

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No clue

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everything. So like, I just assumed that we're doing it just to double check identity or whatever. But what Yeah, what she was saying he is she was talking about the difference between working on the evening shift and working during the day. And what she was saying is the evening shift. One of your jobs is you've got to go to the police station with all of the passport details. And they ran checks on all of the guests at the hotel.

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Wow,

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I had no idea that what's happening?

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Oh, I wonder if that's in Australia. I couldn't imagine the crown could say no, I'm sure they've got access to this should be there'll be some sort of automated Islam you

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think right. Yeah.

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I mean, they're putting, you know just pottering down the street with a folder full of scanned document state scale saying that they can't even like legally they weren't able to scan or something so they have to the only time they have a scan is if they've got heaps of people and they just do it

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out of speed but then they go through an entered into a system by found it interesting that that was like there's something real creepy with the idea of being a slave in your hotel.

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While someone's at a coffee shop, looking you up, making sure that you're all good.

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It has the polka that has to enter all that shit.

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like half the time they probably not getting any on. I was saying

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like, she's having to learn things about picking up signs of human trafficking, stuff like that. So Oh, it's like, full on, like, working out. Yeah,

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all these all these rules around stuff that you just never thought of. Like, one of the things she was saying is, when you're at a hotel, they won't actually the good hotels, they won't actually tell you what you've room number is, have you noticed that

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think about they give you the ISI

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and they printed on to the cod? Yeah. And then the hands of the cards, I haven't

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died. So what they say is they normally say this is your room number and they point number you don't say your room six. So to what they might say is you're on floor six, but they'll never or they're not meant to say you've room number for privacy

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off the people around you. So there's

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all these little tricks I'd never even thought of.

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And I was asking her also I was like, what are some of the weeds sheet that people do and the whole she was saying it's she's only been in the job for a month. But she was saying that

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she didn't actually she's from Venezuela. And she has been learning where we've been teaching her words and stuff like because she said she's had she was on the phones

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in the last sort of few weeks and she just gets a request for all these different types of things. And she has no idea what they're saying. She was saying that one in Indian man got really angry at him because he's saying he wouldn't men Nice. Nice

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and he wasn't mayonnaise and she couldn't understand but um yeah there's just so many things like Band Aid so finding out because she's got an Australian accent which is Band Aid so I was like okay so backing band aid

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which is

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oh you got to adapt yeah

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you know it is so amazing that how can we play she just like learns words she's like yeah but just seems like shower cap

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you know like I'm trying to remember there was a really good one that she

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she couldn't work out what they were trying to say but she was saying that like over the phone when you're doing it over the phone it's like next level difficult

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like teaching I like crispy back like you know what crispy bacon is yeah someone orders crispy bacon What does it mean so I feel like she's gonna be really set now if anyone orders crispy bacon on the side

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yeah and a near in Spain a moment here in Barcelona

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any I know that when I was there I felt

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I felt a little bit and live in some areas I mean I was to be fair I was staying like on the other side of the red light district so I had to legit walk past just some pretty soon as the looking characters

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and I got pickpocket the day 20 didn't even feel it didn't even feel it. Well how about this Did you feel on our

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on our train trip back from the airport to our friends place we were staying in an area called Teresa which is just outside of Barcelona and we're on the train and my friend Ebrahim got really annoyed all of sudden and it was because a girl was trying to pick pocket he's in the back pocket tried to take his wallet and he felt it in grabbed it and

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it was interesting because then you would he was pointing at or inciting, saying, you know, she was the one type of thing like interesting he said later on, they didn't want to make a big saying because we were there but

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he pointed her out and said yes, she was the one pickpocketing and he was saying, it was very common,

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like a lot of Romanians come to to Barcelona and do it. But the you actually it was interesting watching her because she was still continuing to try and pick pocket while we were watching him. Still trying to get him to come. I just let me play. She was like Shapeways you look that way. I'll I'll just quickly show move down the carriage. And it was the big telltale sign in from for her anyway, was her eye movement, because she's just constantly looking at bags, looking at pockets. And yeah, so he he wasn't happy. But when we got off the train they were they got off the train and then just went to jump on another trying to do it all over again. Yeah,

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it's the job. It's it's you you feel the desperation from that person. Like you think about what you think about on daily basis it's it's pretty, you know reserved it's like you know basic thoughts about you know, life that invited they're probably a good feelings and good thoughts marijuana, see that you I'm about to do this thing. Like there's an energy that you put out there. It's like, if you deal way to, you know, sort of low drag that's not

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crazy dangerous. And you think it's service called not foreign. Like, I don't care if you're doing you're listening, you actually do away but I know that there's an energy that comes you do feel good when

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you feel if you feel a little bit there is a sense of you doing something negative and you can justify to yourself, but I think it's like, you know, if you lie, and no one else knows, you still know you've lied. And that's, that's putting out an energy to the world. And I that's why I sort of

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feel for these people that are in this world of pain. And that is just when they're living this life of desperation. It's It's sad. I felt that and I wonder

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if they've got a certain sort of ethics, you know, sort of personal standard, they might not feel it as well. I don't think like that was one of the things that you bring it was saying it's like the he when he first moved to Barcelona, he caught a guy in his

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sort of complex scene stealing stuff. And he went as he started happening, he quickly went to like the front desk. And so they said, Hi, there's a guy in this room like this. Hey, you know, do we have anyone knew when he's like no, anyway, it'd be sees the guy jump over the fence and run away and he'd be saw him

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a few days later at a supermarket. Yeah, and the guy was drunk. And he was sort of saying is like a pickpocket. He was, he said, it was like, not only are you were drunk, but you're also a thief. And then he's had a very poetic because the drunk guy responded, Yes, you are. Right. I am a drunk, but I am no thief.

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Sounds like some sort of Shakespeare. Yeah, but the translation in Australia was like, Oh, he can. You're the fact and media is machine now I get fact the the IT

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side in Spanish. It's

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does sound a little bit a little bit sexier. Yeah. No, I think you can definitely be in that world and be shouting those feelings aside. I think it's, it's on a different level. It's on an energy level. So you like you putting off a vibration? You only get a bit you know, bit Ola Charlie Goldsmith on. Yeah. But I think there's energy. I think there's you putting it off you when you're doing things. And I think if you're doing naughty shit, or even stuff that you're naughty, it's

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I think, in general, I think that it's, it's amazing how much we

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what I'm trying, like, definitely on this trip. Trying to get better at is I'm realizing the just not destructive. That's probably too strong a word. But just like the negative side effect of trying to make everything a story or thinking about it in a story or trying to

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deconstruct that person's intentions.

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When we were in the Netherlands when we arrived. Basically, before we arrived, I got a we booked through booking.com. And we like, you know, we've we've used booking.com over like 50 times we you know, we have our credit card on there. And if it's, if it's a non refundable

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hotel stay that will just charge the card, whatever was all fine. Anyway, this Dutch hotel I booked it was like, five days before we were going to be there. And I booked the hotel. And then I got in separate email a few hours later from the hotel saying that to secure the hotel, you needed to make full payment through this link through their email.

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And my thought, Yeah, well, my thought was, I was like, Look, we have booking.com, they have a payment system, you can either charge for that, or you can just charge us when we get there. Anyway, so I just let it go. And it said something like, Yeah, not paid by Monday. At this time. Like it's not reserved. I'm just like, fact that like this, this, this hasn't even come on through the booking.com app. Like, really, that's the thing that we need to be judging. It's like, what details have we got from them, like, through the communication, you know, system a, sure it wasn't dense, if

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messaging you

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so I ended up I ended up not paying mainly just because I was can be fact. And so when you arrive though, at 9:30pm and the lady you know, I give my passport and credit card and she looks and she said some

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are the this is non refundable. I said yes. And she's like, but you did not pay in time

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and that we're gonna not give us the fucking road. I was just like, the other thing too, is they had put in there amount already on the credit card for a couple of bucks like checking to make sure that the credit card was valid. So I was like, what's the point in using a system like booking.com if then you have to go through some weed unsecured system to be able to pay Do you think they're actually going outside of the booking dot coms terms and conditions like they're they have taken it one extra step. I don't know, I reckon that they probably can get away with it because of

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like, sort of anti competitive rules. Like, I'm sure like, they probably allowed to do it. But

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what it got me thinking about was you can get so uptight about shit. Or you can sort of be like fact that person or sort of thinking about like, are they trying to fuck with us, or rip us off or just like, I'm trying to give people the benefit of the doubt and just be like, you know, the reality is like, maybe she has to pay an extra 5% doing it in person then doing it on this method. And so her pushback was because she was thinking, I've just lost, you know, 100 bucks. Yeah,

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she said, understandable. Trying to default trying to default to that, rather than this person's trying to fuck me. Yeah, yeah, I've met people who have a firm belief. And this one guys just said to me, I just have felt like, my whole life people have been trying to fuck me. And yeah, he Yeah, I could see what it did to him, could see the way he approached, you know, opportunities and other people. And I think she even shifted his behavior in in terms of how he treated people,

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you know, around the same things that he, he fucked over a few people, I'm sure it was driven by this, this thinking of own a faculty member before we get to me, or, you know, but at first or it's, it's desperate. It's not a good way to live, I think. And I also think that when you think that why you project that, and I think that you're actually you don't build the empathy or trust to actually have sort of meaningful interactions with people. Yeah, yeah,

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it's energy, you're projecting energy. If you're not saying something.

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I mean, it's, you know, people feel it and they got, do you think you're a guy that you have gut feelings on things? Do you ever use that terminology? I cut? Don't think I've heard you

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myself.

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Exactly. No, I think I think I'm probably not like the that level. I think that probably mine is like a lot more internal and a lot deeper, which I think can be just as destructive, which is the sort of overthinking or sort of trying to analyze and trying to, I think sometimes we can give ourselves I know I can give myself too much credit of sort of sussing out a situation or saying, you know what, this person was trying to do this, or I see what's happening here. And I think that that's probably destructive, because it sort of leads to, you know, drawing conclusions and aren't necessarily there. And also feeling negative about people to right, which is, um, I think we're probably I say it the most ease people who, for whatever reason, there's something in me that when I see someone change, or sort of save someone is sick one thing and then all like a patterns, right, like, if I see someone who, for instance, I've got one night who talks about, you know, I remember a few years ago, he went on a trip, and he came back and he sort of goes high and low with energy, right. And he was sort of on this massive high, and he's like, basically, he had this enlightenment. So this huge experience, a sort of saying, You can't explain it, but I just feel connected to everything. And the last thing, and then I saw that shift over time to going back to being materialistic and all that sort of thing. And then it's been interesting. My internal monologue, where I've seen him go through is similar experience. And I want to meet it with empathy. But there's a part of me too. And this is like, the part that I'm fighting, which is the massive eye rolling, which is like, I've seen all this before. And it's just, this is going to end

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Yeah, you looking for in congruent season, PayPal? I, I've done it when I been dating in the past, I find like, I have a good memory in conversation. I know you do to it. Like, I could see you sort of taking away when I talk to you about stuff. And when I observe you speaking with people, because I do the same and it's like, you know, you you're almost looking what they're saying. And then you registering it and putting in the bank. And then they say something else. And I did it when I was

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dating. And I remember a girl that specifically I just was like, I he just beat off with what you're saying and what and what you've said in the past. And it was just like, so put off. Yeah,

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but then there is the thought of

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the knowledge How can people change? How can people were a brand if we as friends and family members? Don't give them that opportunity? Um, yeah, I

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think there is a transition point. And if it's not, maybe Yeah, this is this is solid being too critical on little things that don't quite the actual sort of anything really, that matters. And then there's, you know, like me, if you're lying, you saying that you're doing one thing, but yeah, I've, I've Yeah, I find myself doing that's probably something I should be bit Kinder on.

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Well, it's just, you see patterns. I think that, um, but I think that probably the other thing too, is me looking back at myself and being like, man, I can't believe I was like this, or I did that. I feel like, Okay, I need to be able to give myself empathy for that. And also give empathy to other people just being like, you know, what, like, why, why is that person feeling the need to communicate this higher being and that they're sort of, you know, that the found this, it's like, Okay, what, like, they're missing something, or they're trying to find their their way. It's,

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and there's, like, I can relate to that. There's that desire to dream big, and have big dreams, like, big dreams. And I think that maybe it's even, I think, another quality that I sort of struggle with, is the people dreaming really big or saying big sort of goals, but feels like they don't have the basics sorted. Yeah, so it's like saying, Yeah, I'm gonna do this massive, like, yeah, like taking a generic example. You're gonna make a film for Netflix, or whatever. It's like, our Will you you still probably like, you haven't made a film yet. Yeah. And

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so, but I

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think I told you, I'm still it's gonna make it

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did say that a few years ago. But we'll get there. And I'll probably get you to make it for me. Yeah,

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I think that the other thing too, is like is social media, Instagram and stuff I think doesn't lend itself well to, um, to these sorts of thoughts. Because literally, like, it's almost like, Hi, it's a, it has that same sort of feeling as watching a TV show is, it's like you trying to connect the dots before they even happen. Yeah. And then we create these assumptions around people. And then as soon as they do that thing, well, it of course, they're doing the exact thing that I thought that they were going to do. So I must be right. Which I think is like a really, which I just don't actually think it's right. I

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think there's safety in that for people to know or to be right on how someone's going to behave. Yeah, yeah,

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cuz it's unknown.

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It's that projecting as well. Yeah, it's like, it's, it's, it's that constant. Oh, yeah, of course, they're going to do that. But yeah, I think that from the opposite side, it's like, at what point do you just allow that to be the case versus giving people chances or trying to trying to fix people, I think that's another thing, which is like our,

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our, this person, like, they just need to know x, y, and Zed, or they just need to do X, Y, and Zed. And I think that that would understand versus we all think differently and that's okay. Yeah, yeah,

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it's good to see if

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I can bit date for the for the final three minutes of the

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show. Well, if you like to this

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this thanks for being with us. It's a daily talk show. We'll see you tomorrow I'm about to I think. Enter a storm this thunder and lightning here in Barcelona. Yes it's a bit shit here to better weather chat It's been a while the early episodes we used to do it every single day Tommy quickly finish that

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it sounded like a terrorist attack earlier before we started recording it yeah it was fucking crazy. So on and I'm picturing it being some tropical like more like really warm where you are and it just Yes, thunderstorm. I love it. Any that's got that vibe. Catch you guys.