#166 – Tell us your story/

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Cross face

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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket. It's a daily Talk Show Episode 166 so on right? They can't dance 26 days. New York City. I'm

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excited for the for the time when we're in the same room and you don't have to say Burn After I say like my first line what you could say Shaka locker when I say boom

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boom

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I think with the delight would i would send even more awkward than I already do.

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Hey Am I forgot to tell you that I got along with your present for my birthday. Oculus go

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coach Jay Paul. Wonderful. Yeah. What is uh, yeah. So it's Facebook. Remember? Have I have created their own you know, headset? Yeah. And so this is one of the Facebook VR headsets?

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Yeah. jewels longer for me. Thanks, bro. And now you're listening jerkin Hey,

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got. It is a freebie doing the face to face podcast? No, no,

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I think he did send me the purchase information which had the the cost the cost on there. So classic. But I just got a message saying that it's it's currently being delivered.

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So I'm looking forward to it. It's like, it's so interesting. Those kind of pieces of technology is not something as you know, that I would probably gone by just because I'm not that techie.

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But I'm super interested in them. So I'll be the guy with one of those. Explain the

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air pods and this your your ass kicking me.

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My those things are unbelievable. It's like, I feel like the apology I feel like such a decade. Because it's like everyone's had them for I just and I'm just like doing these amazing. I mean, you can just touch it like this or not.

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We know you actually use the touch feature, of course, either tapping I've never used it on tap for double tap for Siri. Yeah, but you don't use Siri like, I don't know.

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What is the use case for Siri?

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Tap? Sorry. I just call you half a half drinking your 711 coffee. Yeah, I go tap tap call me jacket. Or I write text messages.

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You can. Yeah, I just like to feature you take one out. And it turns off the music that is the only problem though because I'm so used to just like ripping one out. And if you want to repeat one out when I am say somebody Yes. I don't have that same ability to just fling it out of my ear and let it switch

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to stop that I think you'll probably the best audience for all of those home products like the the audio like the voice products. If you're actually using Siri you might be the guy that asks Siri to buy something from the shops. Yeah,

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yeah, I could definitely see myself doing that I say these things. Like I like to utilize the use of products. That's why I've been a big fan of Siri because not many people have spent the time with her and go to you

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are the only guy using the face detection and Siri and actually enjoying it.

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I get it. You want it? I think that that's the I take a more sort of user experience approach which is if it doesn't make my life easier in a big why I'm not going to use it.

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Yeah I mean the problem with that though is that you're always looking for the thing that is perfect straightaway that because the old days things take a little bit of effort to get used to it like you know

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Siri Siri and I've been on many dates some have been difficult now where we're smooth sailing so you think that like because I remember people saying that about Siri what like four or five years ago but yeah it still doesn't like what are you getting now with Siri that you couldn't get before like what's the real improvements

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well I think you learn how to talk to her as in what works how fast you have to talk when to start talking she's she she runs my life It sounds like I've got a really controlling girlfriend

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it's got that vibe of you actually

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use the VR a VR headset before I tried on one at ages ago so long ago so I'm really an It was an amazing it was actually and I hadn't thought about this day for so long. Remember the time that Jules and I were in Sydney and we went to some convention and we saw bumped into you

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do remember that that would hang on the time they just hit me that that was you saw me at the game on event that was the one where only one person rocked up to my talk.

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You were there. Yeah, always say I. I totally forgot. Because I was thinking because we went to Vid Con in the weekend tools that are and I was I was this the same event is what we went to in Sydney we saw Josh which would that day was pretty much the catalyst to for me to sort of connect with you. And I then messaged you after that,

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that's so weird. I don't even remember like I couldn't because of that happened way before we had properly connected but to be on honest I can actually like now that you say it. I sort of semi can remember it. But I just remember you got a semi who's being there. I strikes and now

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you know why you probably can't remember it because you'll probably sweating bullets about doing a talk. And then you were saying I want to live

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and there was one person in the room that's when you say to live this is something for people to look out for when I was working at Invesco they were trying to come up with this like a tagline. The communications team and my idea was helping your ideas grow. And it was like invite Joe has like this leaf right and so what I want to do was create this animation where you have a leaf and then it connects up to all these other leaves and it becomes a tree and it's your idea and all that sort of thing but they went with

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help bringing your ideas to life if the thing is if you look out in the world and see how many companies assign that they're bringing something to life I just say it every second campaign is all about bringing blah blah to life is actually it started to drive me insane

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yeah well I mean this there's not much to choose from I don't know how clever you can get in in half of these little ad campaigns the this the silliest egg came campaign I thought and it made me angry and it was I was on pit road so I was already annoyed sitting in traffic and I pull up to the lights were just before you're about to go under Richmond station

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on both billboard type of thing. Yeah. Is

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a digital billboards but halfway to work. So I'm right in the middle of it. And there was this this promotional billboard for I think was like Deakin University, or one of the universities in Melbourne. And I was like, said something like, don't like the traffic component road will do something about it. And then I was like,

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it was like a degree for some engineering, which they were just, it was like this silly approach to going you could be an engineer and change the roads to remove the traffic. Fuck off. You know, it's,

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we're thinking of politics. I feel like the it's got nothing to do with engineers. Because the thing is that I'm sure the answer is just add more fucking lines, isn't it? Yeah, not

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that well. Yeah, that well, that, yeah, I'm gonna do something, my, you're not going to remove people from Melbourne. There's more people coming every single year, they've just actually announced I don't know if you've seen this, like this, like a ridiculous radio network is being built in Melbourne. So I know we've spoken about it we talked about on this show, like a you know, a train to the airport that will be built in 20 years time or something that's causing some ridiculous amount of money. And we were laughing at dislike the announcement of these things that, uh, so far away, but they just owning them now.

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And anyway, they've just released this huge rail network that basically connects every line together. And the airport it's it construction, like, it will not be done until I think past 2015. And the dude who announced it, there's a big chance you'll be dead. Like, it's so bizarre. So

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we're doing it guys it's happening to take so much time doesn't it? You just have to look at the what I always find fascinating is you look at the old Dubai photos of you saying that we're it's like 1995 2000

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and how much those cities have, like, developed over the years. But I guess I mean, you've got to do it right, you've got to actually put in the

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like, what's the solution I guess like the amount of disruption that's going to be in creating this mega train system has got to be massive. It's It's ridiculous. My friend is actually working on the rail and he said Melbourne is Melbourne in Melbourne has the most work in Australia for working on the rail it's like one of the biggest growth cities and he's been doing like night shift and so if you wanted a job on the radio he reckons if he got in like a year or so ago he'd be making a shitload of money What do you actually do working on the rail yeah you're lifting heavy shit you're helping like so they doing you know

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crossing removals so they replied tracks they're working on the metro tunnel there's all these different roles it's kind of like people who are into going out to the mind and and working on on that kind of stuff just heavy lifting it yeah I'd be I'd be too too silky Oh my bag no

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speaking to me here but do you know that I've actually been in the the city loop so that the train but the tunnel when it was closed at 230 in the morning what what we do in it so when I was working at the Metropolitan fiber guide this was sort of being 2011, 2010

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something like that maybe even 2009 I'm not good with timing I think it was 2009 but they basically would doing anti terrorism shrooms with the fight the fire raise the police the and bows it was sort of a joint

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operation and I was in the media department so I went down and filmed and so they had like a basically a actors who would just being like in a terrorist incident or like screaming and stuff and they had to get them out yeah it was pretty intense. Oh I've actually seen some folks some footage of that at the train station it looks scary because they can't like you can't be having any public say it because it looks totally legit yeah so they do it they do it in like it was 230 in the morning and it was on Colin straight was where we accessed Melbourne Central Station. But yeah, that was that felt like a cool experience that you know, you you're only going to get if you working within, you know, a government agency or you're just a

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little criminal like I was and I went down this tunnel. I found this great that I just lifted up this big thing climbed down this letter. And it took me down into the sub by when when I was young. Yeah, as long as we're smelling the bread. Is that what it was, it was Flagstaff gardens in realm and this I just literally fan climbed up on this thing. I was like, Fuck, that looks like it goes down the subway. You could feel the breeze coming up, you know, creates all the air. And so I went down there. And I've read and I've gone back in recent years. And I looked down and I've totally locked it all up and put like a security system because it does it blows me away. Like the ship the ship that used to used to be able to access when I was growing up. It's like, yeah, they hadn't no one was thinking of terrorist attacks. But

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no one was saying, oh, if this was someone gets down here just puts it bomb. Hey, yeah, no, they're not. Well, I even was thinking about that with unprotected Wi Fi, right. So nowadays, you know, if you go to if you go to a website, my websites HTTPS nowadays, which means it secured. But

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you know, 10 years ago, the only sites that were HTTPS were your banking sites and stuff like that. And what it means is, if they aren't HTTPS, they're not encrypted, they're not secure. So the packets of information over the white the Wi Fi can just be sniffed out basically. So someone can be on the network and get can see, imagine there's packets in the air, and they can see him and basically, you could find out your password information, stuff like that. And I remember

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early days of Facebook, there was a Firefox extension that you could download onto your computer, and you could see Shauna, this was before they went to a secure network to HTTPS, this would have been 2000 ice 2009. And yeah, basically, I could sit with my laptop and if anyone logged in to Facebook or was on Facebook, their profile picture would come up on the app and I could click on their face and it would log me in as them Jesus and so like you talking about that whole security thing it's amazing you know, like going thing in Slovenia at the moment this I was so surprised at how many open Wi Fi point Sarah so it's not even like putting in a password to access it. And it's awesome. But the problem is that you are opening yourself up to people going on the network and doing dodgy shed Yeah,

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well, I was like on the networking at a Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, I'll just like just, you can just log in this free Wi Fi at most of those airports. And you never you think I'd never used them in Melbourne, because I've got internet access here. So you just like when you dumb tourist thought me just logging in anywhere. I fact, I got free Wi

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Fi,

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it's it's gotten a lot better. Like if it's HTTPS. It's a lot like a lot more secure. But I've been using a VPN for most of time. There's Express VPN, which we use plus I've also got Nord VPN. So if I've got my mobile phone hat, like, and there's no chance I'm getting a VPN because I've got no idea what it is. What do you What's the risk for me if I'm just on my phone signing in, like, like, it's pretty I think it's, it's fairly low nowadays. But I think that it is, it is handy, right? They got the sniffles.

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Correct. I nearly sneezed.

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You feeling okay, I'm good. You just did a little sort of thing, like you did a little bit of weight came out that sort of face. But

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1030 Not at

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all. You've never, you know, you know what I mean? You don't know what I mean? No, but no, I think that you're, you're fairly okay. But VPN is good. Because what that's doing is it's creating a tunnel of virtual private network, it creates a tunnel so no one can see what the traffic is that you're going to do. So you could go to Facebook or whatever. Like, for instance, we have a friend

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that you know, works for the company and they have a Wi Fi and basically on the the admin of the the Wi Fi network can see what site what are the main sites that people are going to and I met was saying that the one of the site was like a dating website. But the thing is, everyone in the building is like, like in long term relationships.

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But so but the thing is that that basically can happen way if you go to websites and stuff and you run a network they can say what those sites are. And so you know, if you're at work, you might not necessarily want people to know that you are going on social media or stuff like that. So use a virtual private network everything everything goes through the tunnel basically so they just say that there's a connection but they don't actually see what the science are you going to

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yeah I remember working for companies and you restricted or you kind of have that mindset because I've never like you when you work for yourself you know yeah nothing thinking about that kind of stuff not that I'm going to dating websites but I just remember you always thinking are they could be looking at my emails like when I when I quit the radio station in shepherd and I'll still there for a little while after. And I was convinced that my emails because all I have to do is ask, you know, take two to Ford all emails to me or something like I wouldn't be able to tell that stuff will convince it that yeah, that I started getting emails that will getting in our emails. Not there will slagging them off, yeah, plotting something actually isn't even worth

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what I had made, that was working for a company, he's company was actually acquired by another company. And that company turned out to be a bit terrible to work with, and turns out that going into the computers and gone to I message and all that, so stuff, and basically had read all of these messages where he was slagging off this company, and like, front footed them, like he was getting ready to leave and they ended up front footing it and basically fucking Shut up. So, yeah, it's a it's definitely worthwhile being is secure with the communications and I think probably the best way to basic QA is not using a work device for personal shit. Like, if you've got a if you've got a work, phone, don't have WhatsApp, where you like, slagging people off on your worked fine, and be using that and thinking that you're going to be okay, well, can I access your water

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stake? They could access the phone at any time. So I think that's what people don't realize is it's like, if you if if the property if the phone is the property of the place that you work at, you just you don't want to be doing anything on that device that you wouldn't be okay with them saying I don't think anyway.

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Yeah, that should be the filter just writing emails in general because you don't feel like you're accidentally sending an email and it goes the wrong person fact that that scares me. I mean, not that it knows but

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the thing is, it's just you want to have that filter you know, yeah, talking about the tell us your story thing I found a blog that I was I remember the other day actually, did we talking about the tell us a story actually. Okay, so I to connect these dots. The other thing that I was thinking about when all of this

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around the bringing your ideas to life will bring whatever to life is how many company site tell us your story? Yes. And so there's a website called tell us your story. blog.tumblr.com. And basically someone just posts every single time a company says, like, share your story, or tell us your story. It's like cookie companies. And like, I'm just going through right now, just like cinemas web grills. What did you grill this past hashtag web away, can't share your grilling stories with us.

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It's it's

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Yeah, but it's to sort of be pull ups go to Silly Putty training story share with us. And you might see it illustrated here next month. It's just, I think, a good way to remember that to not be too cliche, and what you try how they

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finding they do you think they've got like a Google Alert looking for. And we're I mean, story story, such a common word

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story on Twitter would be easy. So that fucking noise. There was a guy at a cafe that was doing that noise today. And Bray said, let's go. She couldn't handle it. It's just too It does my my my throat feel funny. If

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I hope it's less annoying than that voice. You had

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that the little Gremlin of you. This is why we made the the cuff buttons when we studio to be able to press it. Now the problem is, it's fine. It's it's just six at 630. I am here in Melbourne. Yeah. And it's like when you get up. It's, you know, it's called both extremes. both extremes of the day, early morning and evening. Like it late evening. I feel like you get the worst versions of people. And so 100% This is why this the show. So great. Just back to your story thing. The stories like the the buzzwords, the hot top, it's the hot phrase and has been for a little while. What do you what do you think will land on next? Have you got any ideas because you're thinking you're thinking ahead in the future and saying little things pop up? Is there anything? Anyone? Anything that anyone saying that you think will sort of stick any buzzword esque words especially around content and and online content? I reckon.

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Yeah, I reckon we're gonna say about bit about disconnection i think is going to be I think we're only seeing just the start of that I think it's going to be I reckon there's going to be a big move over the next three to five years around around disconnecting from your device and

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potentially maybe having a big distinction between our virtual lives and our you know, being out and about because I just I even saw it when we were in places like Turkey where it's like everyone is on their phones all the time so I feel like it's got to be something around that Yeah,

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no, I reckon you could be spot on it we all are dude it's yeah I catch myself constantly walking behind this woman and I was on the phone yesterday looking down I was just like finding music to put on to then put back in my pocket it was just like if you were looking over at us she's walking ahead I'm sort of behind it is so zombie like yeah this like looking down in the moment but we're outside walking in nature Yeah,

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I think that potentially the other thing too will be around living like what it means to live like ease being on device it easy like if you're having fun playing a video game are you like are you living you having a great life

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I mean some people are on but then it's maybe that is leaving for some people

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I think there's like their realities and if the reality that isn't the actual reality that you're living in is better than yours.

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So like you know computer games I remember playing so much of you know GTA I'd be Grand Theft Auto

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I'll start but I I remember just thinking like feeling like house in this game that's the closest I'll you know, and Counter Strike and cool of not Call of Duty there was another one and I love to come time to kill it. So that was is super old

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Tony Hawk. Yes. On placed in the first place station. Yeah, la route. But yeah, I remember being in those games for so long. And just thinking it was hard to switch off when you get out of them. And that's the thing with you know, Oculus go the you're in this reality that seems like your reality and will be sometimes better than your existing reality, which is the danger because then people are like, you know, addicted to this thing. That's where it comes from?

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Well, I don't think there's a single truth, right, when there's not a single truth, then I think that there's not a single reality. And I think that for, you know, some people may be doing doing that sort of stuff is better than, you know, what's out there on the other side for them. But I just think that I noticed that the especially traveling screen time and just trying to control that and trying not to just, you know, I said how much better I'm feeling just being able to write down everything I need to do with Yeah, there's definitely I've noticed on this trip just how wired I'd gotten with them. technology

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like habitual like you just yeah, felt

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checking, just constantly checking or constantly and the problem is that useful stuff is merged into really like shit like so technology has enabled us to book this whole trip you know, we haven't used a travel agent we've literally just booked as we went and so using Expedia booking.com, Airbnb all of these sites have been awesome and they've been like if we have if we weren't able to do that then we wouldn't have been able to have the trip that we've had but at the same time that same device is the one that you can go down a rabbit hole and look at like I went on news.com delay you today just to say what's happening as just like so many negative stories like it's all pretty depressing

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mean yeah there's there's a lot of bullshit

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to you he thinking about how you're going to control bodies' screen time when he's getting older. Um, it's hard. It's It is like crack.

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It's a drug

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and i and i don't you had such a weird thing. It's because it's changing. It's not Yeah, they just feeling they just that's where it's because you can start to see where she shifts their emotions.

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And that's the scary bit where you can be so upset and want something but then I'm then I'm sort of, you know, we're starting to work out like, okay, when he doesn't want something you can't just, you know, the gift rewarding that feeling within him isn't teaching them anything. And so, you know, and then it's like the then we have to read the situation. So it's like doing Do we need to survive in this moment by doing that. And then is that being selfish and then you know, you've got to have like, you gotta be strong enough sometimes to even when we don't want to give him something. And it's painful for us, for us to deal with it. But then we've got our live off to consider like what's going on in my world that I am strong enough to resist just curing that moment of him yelling and screaming with the device. Like, that's where you're going to so many things are at play when you being impaired, well, yeah, pacifying those things right? I think that the thing is that the the devices can sometimes make us numb to the the situation that we're actually in. So that rather than dealing with the situation at hand, where, you know, using the device to distract us, I think then that's probably the risky bet. Yeah, it's, it's something I've been thinking about quite a bit. And I don't know the answer yet. I think it's like, I think we've given him more screen time than I thought I would, before you get any like, you watch it. When you're when you're a parent, when you're watching from the outside. And I my thoughts were different to what they are now, because I didn't have a kid. I didn't have a little wild maniac at that point. And now I do but they end up like, it's an eye you I got home and he was just up in bed watching something like buddy, buddy, look at me. And you just wouldn't look at me. It's just loving. It looked up, just blank face. Look back down. What do you want? Dad, it's funny. It's, it's no different. When you actually when you were in a relationship is like your partner. Your time is on Facebook. Look up. So that's

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the that's the risk, isn't it? That's the thing. That the, the concern is that the connectedness that we're feeling online, yes. Removing that connectedness within the real life real world.

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I am just glad that I can say us from a time that didn't have that stuff into like, Eric, and we will sort of on that back end of the generation where, you know, now you growing up, everyone has smartphones, like any kid but I remember the time that we didn't have that shit. And then we had the first one more spice and that you know that stuff at scale, which is good. I still remember I

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think this is going to be it's it's going to be the thing like this what we're talking about now, I recommend us going to be the biggest topic this is what people are going to be talking about when bodies' generation is at the age of 18 or you know, 25.

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I think that it's gonna we're gonna work out what the impact has been on on technology with technology. Yeah, it's interesting. Well as your name out from Michelle I did we Yeah,

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on the

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econ. I was just gonna say, I need you to give me the password for the daily talk show making. Give us we live on you can use a fucking Password Manager. What can you do it? How you end up losing the password. So I've

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got it on my phone. And the the, it looks like the Da Vinci Code when you send it through to me. So that's pretty much your fault. And because they're complex. Yeah, just have at least have Josh? Tommy 123. That's good. No,

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no, I'll sort that out for you. last pass is what we use, which is good.

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But Michelle subject line log line for jaws best shot or sorry, bad shock. Kill shock. So she couldn't come up with one fresh. Oh, but she's managed to George doesn't need any more publicity. But she also says Happy birthday, Tommy. So thanks, Michelle for the email. Geez.

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There you go.

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Alright, might well have a good day. And I'm I'm looking forward to the US. It's coming up. It's very exciting. Got the countdown on my end. So you're still on holiday. So you probably not counting down I'm excited. I'm excited for like, I'm excited for the podcast. And what we're able to do in person versus the what people are getting at the moment is, I think very different to in person. TJ enjoy Jay and it's not bad. It's just it's just different.

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Yeah, 100% It's a

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talk show everyone have a good one. We'll catch you tomorrow. Say guys.