- May 29, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Tuesday May 29 (Ep 96) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
The stigma of therapy, self help, creative work and collaborating with others.
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It's the daily talk show. I'm Josh Johnson. I'm Tommy jacket. That was the that was a weird way of you saying, you know, really I'm still just getting used to this whole thing. What I realized though is that we this is a conversation sometimes with recording and it is confirmed Josh is a robot.
I wouldn't have let you Yeah,
a little bit in between. Now you've been
you've been slightly program to be a word that you're trying to say. Then
timed. Okay. You bear
a timed No, no, but I was just thinking as you started talking. I was half picking my nose and looking down and I look really weird where I'm seeing, but I was thinking we're going to start filming these at some point will have to pick up a guy how we looked. Pick half hour guy.
I've got like a shiny
silver. You're like
a gorilla between the Chinon. you chase it so someone said to me you it's funny when nice are you growing a beard like it's some intentional thing for me. It's like the equivalent of saying I'm you're not sharing. You're not a man's gaping guy. If you just gave it a nice line around the neck. I think it look quite good. You just too lazy to get just get rid of it can play out.
And I reckon you look to us all when you get ready. Be like just keep. See how I got
mine underneath. The problem is that I make a mess when I do it. Tribes brain saying yes. And because we're housesitting. I don't want to like Qualcomm trains or some shit.
I mean, having the the hair the hair add on for the robot is quite difficult. They don't understand that funny shaving his
neck beards. pretty gnarly. What's going on what's happening
all night. I said I'm exhausted from yesterday. Or we did the podcast light. But all day like we had, I was working all day with a friend of mine. And it was just purely around coming out with coming up with concepts here. My friend kill will come up with concepts for development of a TV show. And they asked us to come on board to just like, basically come up with a whole bunch of different ideas that they could bring into the development phase. But the point being is we had one day and I, you know, read about what we needed to do before that day. And it was like committing to this creativity within the within the constraints of, you know, a time period and we did it but it was it's fucking drains the life value. Yeah,
I think that that's my preferred method of doing anything like clients will say to me, hey, Josh, no rush on this. That's like the worst possible outcome. Yeah,
like so easy. clients. It's a paradox, right? The paradox is that easy. Clients can be the hottest client Yeah, because the easy clients don't necessarily care that much or there that that whereas I need the fire under my ass to get something done. Or at least not that what we're making is important enough that there's some sort of deadline yeah yeah it
does it mean we got some good feedback on today so you know, because you can walk away from being from doing something creative and feel like our fact that we do it right into it because you're spending this day Yeah, lose complete context. You finding so much of a you know you so in it, and it had to step away from it. So, yeah, I I am a bit dry and, but I'm just going to tonight, I'm going to have a little Amy's going out with her girlfriends. I'm going to have an audience with me a little man. Is she still doing because she was doing like, a wasn't a book club. It was just a bunch of chicks that used to go to your office. Yeah.
Is that still a thing now?
No. Saying what happened? Well, I think it's like when you get it on a run. They got some momentum and what she was doing. Can you explain what
it was? It was a book club, and it was it wasn't a book club. It was just do you say was or wasn't it wasn't a specific book club. That wasn't the theme of it. Some weeks, they basically went and looked at books and other weeks, I would do arts and crafts and make candles and do it was it was like girls getting together for a little community to create and talk and and deal gills do best just talk. Yeah,
just keep fucking
deal. I think they're feeling if we've learned anything better, that it's not exclusive to two women. I feel like we're slowly the thing that I'm discovering with this podcast is the more friends I know who listen to it. And even for who I don't necessarily know that well, when I catch up with people, and I say them that way more willing to open up because they know you talk that you have the Yes. And I think that's so cool. So I think that there's the, you know, you know, a friend of mine opened up about his brother committing suicide. Wow. And recently to you. Yeah. And so, you know, I think that the, the conversation, you know, being in a place where you can have these conversations and actually talk about man, life is a bit fact,
I saw a guy the other day and he said to me something out, fucking scared me. He said, Oh, you know, he said something like,
yeah, I've just been hanging on or something back. This is a friend. This is a guy I've known for 10 years. He was used to come into the gym that I worked in, he was a young kid at that stage. And he's kind of,
from what I can tell he's maybe had a bit of a hard time over the last couple of years. And, and so we've got that connection of being, you know, young working at the gym, and he was a member and you know, and so, anyway, Michigan today, and I said, I said something like, you know, hanging there, bro. It's fucking weird will be living, you know, finding what you want to do. Sounds like a good plan. Yeah. And he said, he wrote back saying, Man, I so appreciate that message. Yeah.
And I was just, yeah, it's, it's full on the Asha ginsburg podcast. I remember. I was always funny about Asha talking about mental health because it felt like
for whatever reason, there's that push back that I have in which is like, it's maybe that repressive? I don't know if that's the right word. It's like, you almost don't, we don't feel comfortable about people talking about these millions stigma. Yeah, and there's a steep and I, I feel like I've gone on a journey of development through listening to his podcast. Like, I think at the beginning, I was sort of like, yeah,
we get it. But do you have you don't have to really talk about it. And then
it's uncomfortable a year it though, isn't it? Yeah.
And so. But I've come around to as, you know, I think normal like there's a part of me, which is no, maybe I was uncomfortable with the idea of normalizing this thing, or making it define, you know, define you if that makes it. So, for instance, I think that I've had the opinion that if I talk, you know, talk about my problems, that it might somehow define who I am, where I think that what she's doing is so important, because it actually him going into data house and talking about the, you know, he spoken a recent episode about beginning of the year went off, he's medication, he's gone through psychosis, you know, serious, serious issues, right. And for me, it was actually this sort of therapies, we'd sort of therapy by proxy, see where it was sort of like, actually, it's our cat, he, you've got someone who's super successful, who is, you know, able to host shows, maybe, basically, where I was thinking is, maybe I could host the batch law,
if I can push again, they would never let his neck be get that.
But, um, no, it was really yeah, it's been interesting,
those hard conversations
with me experiencing least 10 people in my world, killing themselves and you having zero Yeah, but me talking to you and us having this new feeling. And seeing me sad is like you gaining an understanding, you don't have to be a drug addict to talk to addicts about how to recover, you just need to be empathy, empathizing and understanding what we're delivering. And someone like Asha, it's talking about what he's going through, is actually allowing people to shell bit of empathy, because they they're connecting to he's story and especially if they're fans, yeah, because it's challenging them, and they're more open to, you know, being open. Yeah,
because I think that it's, um, I think, normalizing, normalizing it is the solution, I think that where I still worry about is there is an element that there's sort of this niche, that's all there's almost like a mental health niche, where
that you can sort of, you know, that's the content that you're constantly consuming. And so I think the biggest concern that I've had is, you know, whilst I've had my own struggles, that may be the talking about it, or spending too much time on it would make you more defined like, that's the thing you to identify as someone who suffers from a mental illness or not even, you know, like, I've never been to a therapist never done any of that sort of thing. Why haven't or you've wanted to, or you just, I think that I,
I didn't, I think that part of it is part of it is my feeling that through self development that I can crack like, all these issues that I can't, I can crack myself, I think that the realization over the last few years, is that that's not necessarily like doing it alone doesn't make sense. It doesn't make like, why, if you're going to share your life with people, people, you know, like Bray, who I've been to, you know, been with for over 10 years, it's like, well, you being able to unpack that and being able to say, okay, like, I think that it's almost this habit that we've a lot of people have created, which is like, I don't talk about x, y, and Zed, and then we have these actions, we do these things, and then we're wise and we want to, like, wow, why didn't you react that way, like, once, and but if we'd actually uncovered and said are actually it's because of these things that you feel in that you're actually not talking about? What would piss you off most about going to a therapist is that you have to fact and bring them up to speed and you'd be like, you know, obviously based into this Arab, you just listen to the podcast,
or you guys this session
is I could have done three podcasts in this Asia. So is
the therapy was that like, based around because I know friends who have done it through religion, right? Where it's like you get if you're a Christian, or whatever, you'll get like a pastor who will be assigned to you, when you do all that sort of thing before you get married.
We, when we moved to Melbourne, and she was funny, tough relocating to a brand new city. No, no really close friends, me working. And she chose not to work. And, you know, I think he was a bit insular for her. And then I was focused on this thing. And there was the whole thing about really leaving together, you know, like, you know, eight months into actually living together and discovering a new relationship. So I brought all of my bullshit and she had all of her stuff going on. And to be honest, I don't, I don't actually remember what we went for, like, a, it was not like,
I had a porn addiction. And we went, you know, like, wasn't that
I mean, that's why we go to
my side, I don't
even remember it being a big thing. But I remember it did help. We talked about, you know, what annoyed me. And, you know, like, it's just basic. Yeah, and it's just communicating. And it's just within a structured environment. And Amy really appreciate it. I I I wouldn't have done it off mine back. But she wanted to. And so I was a part of it, obviously, and I see that I
talked about on this podcast about how I used to go to a psychologist treated and our I remember crying and just better remember, maybe these those times that have helped shape me, I almost think that I need to detachment of ego, I think is a big part of it, too. Like for me, I think that I've almost, you know, breeze senior psychologist and stuff. And sometimes I feel like some of her sessions were actually more for me than for her. Because afterwards, I'd be like, oh, what do you guys talk about? It's like, Oh, you know, so we spoken about you a lot in my car. Yeah. Would you say like, what I'll have, you know, in the sense that they are fueling your ego? No, no, it was proxy night in the sense of the, my ego isn't allowing me to go to therapy. Yes, because I'm
because of the stigma attached to it. But I don't apply that judgment to other people who go only to myself for whatever reason, but the thing I found that was happening is that Bray would go to her psychology and it was almost like couples therapy, but oddly, Shay was attending where the, the interesting thing is that her psychologists was like, our, if you're
if you wanted to do couples therapy, we wouldn't go to her like, apparently, like, if you have them as an individual relationship. Yes. Yes. You know,
it was interesting, though. But the funny thing is, they write down all you know, all the names and all that sort of thing. And apparently, the psychologist kept calling me Adam, which is breeze brother's name,
just down the road, I taking notes. And yeah, I mean, I've
what I've from the ones I've experienced it just caring people who listen. And, and for me, I didn't feel like some of the time we were going anywhere. But then it kind of does. They've got strategies. They're smarter than us. But I think they're smarter than us about strategies of, you know, how your brain works in and best practices because they're outside of you. They're not in your head. If I if I was to deconstruct it, and even more, I think that part of my reluctance is that when I was 1716, or 17, I was working on the all these films. And it was through a course and one of the people who I did the course with was the psychiatrist. And I got along with her well, and talk to a lot and then it ended up being like, I ended up not really liking that relationship, in the sense of it felt like it was very much like, he's this young gal editing for all the time. And she's sort of building her Empire and stuff. I think that I was like, a little bit dismayed by the side D, that she was also just this human with a bunch of flaws. And maybe I'm, I think that what, yeah, there is that little bit, which is like, you know, how do we not like, we're all we're all just people. Yeah. And
you know what I mean? So, yeah. So, because the thing is that you might even, you know, I remember we brain. I went to a this hotel called pumphouse point, which is in Tasmania, it's on a like, and you can do this
dinner that they can include in the room and we did that and you basically you sitting on a communal table, which is just a fucking nightmare for me. Like it's it's just this is what the problem is with these places it's like this communal shit so anyway, we ended up sitting with psychiatrist and a farmers who, it turns out the farmers like you think farmers like I call your farm turns out they produce 25% of Australia's cherries is pretty big farming operation but yeah, this icon shirt like I just feel like I'm
sort of almost trying to Deacon instruct what they're saying and what they're doing and I think about like, what sort of person do you they need to be to desire to be a psychologist or psychiatrist it's like I feel like I've heard that saying where it's like people who come psychologists do it because if they're a bit tweaked themselves I mean there's going to be tweaked psychologists psychiatrists look at
the priests the Astor's doesn't mean you're pure person just because you pick that, you know, that that job, but they here to help, I think from what you're saying is, if you were struggling enough, I think you'd probably go Yeah, thank you see, you'd probably your ego would be crushed. And you'd have no option I think, and it doesn't matter. I think the the whole thing that maybe the stigmas around people who are like you that feel like they don't need to go at that point, or they've got those reservations, but maybe that's when you need to go? I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
it's hard. I think that like, there's so many elements to it the like, the other part of it is, it's like okay, you know, if this session is going to be 150 bucks or whatever it is, would I be happier if I gave myself every week 150 bucks to spend on Jimmy grants?
Like would the joy there's a psychologist God fuck these guys that
gave me getting on some may know but if there's the
yet though, but there is that sort of thing where it's like if it's just a mindset shift. And it's all like it's an internal journey, isn't it?
I think just sorry to interrupt you feeling like something's wrong you're in this waiting room and it's a bit cold like they will room or in now my feet you know my toes or Rick called as a heater on I'm trying to get some warmth offered. I feel like I'm at a doctor's surgery. Yeah, so there's these clinical feel to it where you feel like a naughty little boy or you feel like you've been doing something wrong and you going in to seek help which was essentially it is because they're helping you in some sense and that feels confronting
yeah and I think that the other thing too is I would worry that I was would fall into entertainment mode where I'm telling stories as a level of entertainment for them if that makes sense I
don't think you would I think it's the environment is just so different to what you think you should go man I would like you to go I mean it's nice to just yeah open up because that I think
it's like an exercise it's like a PT some you try and clients taste good. But I'm saying if you have a good potato train you the way you really thrive and so for you, it might not be getting fluffy it might be actually talking about how you Brian's working because you think a million miles an hour and so maybe them sort of deconstructing what's going on for you because you're deconstructing everything else maybe that will work to know I think was interesting
about brings experience is that hearse her psychologist is so like, matter of fact, in the sense of, I just imagine for whatever reason psychologists being like, Oh, you know, how can you improve like, what's Oh, but so many times like Bray would have come out of a session. And she was like, Yeah, they they just said like, fact them. They sound like they're assholes, like the psychologist is saying this about the people that brace talk combat. And so that was always really interesting is sort of the, the personalities of the psychologists and therapists and all that sort of thing with the humans when they're not robots yet.
So imagine if you had a robot just, yeah,
there's no connection. I think half the half of the thing of psychologists is connecting with the patient as well as informing them and, you know, pulling out the information. Yeah,
it's interesting, the, I'd love a psychologist of psychologists to dissect the conversation of this, and then just record a little piece for us well as
play it back. And one of my, one of my clients is like an organizational psychologist, he, he deals in, you know, the area of, you know, big corporates and things like that. And leadership. I wonder if he's like, yeah, yeah, I wonder they feels like there's so many different sort of realms and different versions. But yeah, it's just, it's been on my mind, especially with Asha talking about it so much.
And being like, you know, if we can do a little bit too. D stigmatize and maybe show like, Hey, you know, and also social media and stuff it's annoying because it's feels like you're beating a dead horse in rigetti somebody say beating a dead horse I've got a image of me beating a dead horse is that the phrase that we use to beat a dead horse
it's the one you're using social okay
not to beat a dead horse yeah it's a social media doesn't help when we're putting up all these highlight highlight reels of our life I mean if you look at the move the brain I just went on you'd be like a look like it was a bit of fun it like it was pretty stressed. You're
saying it's looks like picture as it looks.
And we also we we've created this some
you know, this these little mini worlds that people actually think and so it gives these unrealistic expectations to people around what life is meant to right because when it's pretty jarring when you look at someone's profile and they're being roar and crying it camera
because then you think fact that they just looking is this bullshit. Is this them trying to up their likes or something is a trying to connect because I think it will. And so I get it. Yeah, the perfect life and then throwing that into it. I mean, that's Yeah, it's honesty. I mean, I don't share much in a personal sense on my social media, in terms of my real feelings, more so on this podcast, but I feel like it's a medium that you can actually go through the ups and downs of, you know, your life. I'm in that long form. Where is a small little video if it was just about how it's pretty sad at the moment. It doesn't
feel like it would fully
Yeah, I mean, not for me as a creator. I don't know if that's what I want to share. But then again, I'm not battling severe depression. Thank you know, thankfully, it's to remember when I wrote the poem a few months ago, I never never made that video. I did the power. It was pretty Amy and Amy, Amy's response was almost like, yeah, yeah, it's slightly crazy. I can't even remember this hoppy. I can't remember it either. I think there's
just about lie. I think it was about Yeah, I think it was about something about around struggle or something like that. But some
I mean, what's your outlet? Because I don't think you battling that much. Now. I mean, I think this is the this was the other thing that I've been thinking. So there's a whole thing around Parkinson's Law, which is, we feel the time that we allocate to something. And I've been thinking about the concept around busyness or idleness. And when we allow ourselves when we don't focus on big things, when we don't have a big vision, we start focusing on real small things, and we can get like obsessive and like worry, all of a sudden, its own like, I'm relative, right? And so what I've been thinking lightly, it's like, I always need a big goal. If I don't have a big goal, then I don't have anything to compare to. So if All I've got is smaller projects, all of them, Look, why Be it because I don't have a big want to give it perspective. Yeah, so that's been interesting thing I've noticed where I'm like, actually, man, this is a piece of peers, but because it's like the thing that you're working on, you elevate it. And then things like perfectionism starts to like cripple
here. I mean, it's hard life. It's fucking a bit as
well. Think about, like, even yesterday with you think about the pressure, like I even felt when you were when you had that constraint creatively about doing yesterday from Friday, I could already feel the anxiety setting enough like Monday is a big one, like, yeah,
you know what it is? It's what I and I wasn't even feeling anxious about it. Yeah, I knew I only had that time. And so I feel the day with only a time and you know what, it's like having a business you need it. I almost did a whole bunch of things to make sure that I could push out all the other distractions. Yeah, and clear out my head for that. Because it's like fact, if I don't have my head space. Yeah. And I mean, I had an AI game in the morning, and then and but I had to do it, you know, and if you could still on something all day,
see you on Sunday. What did you say? Sure. Drew story through beating a dead horse with strict
Yeah, he makes drew out of a dead horse to sweeten
Yeah, I think the other thing too, is, it's like the people problems trying to communicate and articulate like, especially, you know, I say, the next part of my growth is working with people more effectively. So I think that
in a, like, a collaboration sense, or just know, just being able to, I feel like I
I just get over people really quickly, in the sense of it, I don't get I've had suppliers working on things. It was like the logo or let's getting some other work down from another contractor. And I give them the benefit of the doubt the beginning and I'm just like, yeah, it's all good. All that, and then they just take the piss. And that's why I even wonder about, like, how much to pay people like, what I've noticing over the years, is, it's like, I used to be overly generous in regards to how much I'd pay contractors. I'd be like, Look, if I'm making a decent chunk of money, I'm going to pass this on. But then the interesting thing is that there wasn't as much of an attachment from the mouth I paid versus how much people would try. Yeah, yeah.
that's where I find really interesting, too, right? Because if you have this idea of like, looking after everyone, not everyone works best when you're like, looking after them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, maybe it's you working at where you actually, Sean, do you want to get Do you need to get better at working with people read it. Because if that's the end goal of I want to build a company that has 10 people working directly under me because I look at my mate James's business. Yeah, you know, he's got it to a point where he's doing the thing that he really likes doing. And that's not directly managing people every single day, you know, like a big team. Alright, guys, today's thing, it's like, maybe that's, I mean, maybe he's done that naturally. But I think if you were to think about what you want to be doing a way where you bring the most value, and it's not dealing with people on this on a small scale, I think that may be part of it, is
expecting a level of comprehension of my ideas too early on in the pace. So I think that, like, I'll work with a new contractor. And I sort of expect that I am just stand how to do it. Yeah, I've done that. And so I think that that's the thing that I think that there's an onboarding process that I need to get better at, which is, like, actually, the hard work field like what I thought the hard work was, which is explaining everything up front, versus what I feel like is the way that I would like to be treated, which is like, you know, what, I, I'm going to allow them to be autonomous, to, you know, be ambitious without having someone micromanage.
But if you take a task and break it up into multiple tasks, maybe those smaller tasks don't need any
understanding of the big picture. Yes, if
you're bringing someone on just to do something even bigger picture, I don't even think it's a vision. I think vision I'm actually are tired. I think the bit that I am good at is it's like getting everyone on board and excited. I think that maybe what I need to work on is the operational level and expectations around
Yeah, this is this is what I expect these like, just basic things. Like, I think about how I shine it's like, I don't like necessarily clients that are too easy. So maybe I don't need to be too easy. Maybe I need to be more and maybe that's a cop out. Maybe too easy is actually vague. Yeah.
clear direction for people that aren't invested in it is important. Well, you had a work experience kid Yeah,
they fucked off Yeah. The over it. What was the what was the learning?
I guess that's how you can follow that will? So
yeah, what was your What was your big learnings? Like, you know, you invested a few months with this 16 year old finished school? Yeah,
what was the learning I experienced a lot of what you were talking about it it's going from a single operator or in terms of a project where you've shot it, you're editing and if we're talking about our world, and then we're you know, producing something to show to somebody else we understand we're taking on everything at the time tasking out that instead of taking the job and then making breaking it up into a process, and that's what it is. I was it made me really look at everything is a process and where can you pull somebody in to that stage of the process? Yeah, and it is hard tasking out somebody is hard. And it's and it's a thing in business. I was talking to James he might he said at the start. He when he said he had a first person come on for him was Yeah, he had to think a lot of what he needed them to do. Yeah. And then, and then it's hard.
What I give it a good example. My mate Chris
came and helped us move and be I didn't have all the boxes packed. What I realized was, there was actually nothing that I could get him to do. I was like, paralyzed where I'm like, I'm put, just go put all that stuff in that corner. Yeah, it was just such a waste of his time. Like, because the thing was that what he's what he was going to be good at, was picking up a box and placing it in the van. And so but the idea of me getting him to sort out the things that I will get it was gonna cape and get rid of, I couldn't get him to do so. I think that it's, um, I think that where it gets hard is that we're trying to do this complex work. We're trying to do creative, unique projects. And unfortunately, processes don't necessarily allow for that to come out and create. Yeah, 100% creativity sometimes is a process in your head. That is hard to explain. Yeah, something's going on. What's a journey? I don't think it's the journey. Yeah, yeah. And if it can be, my argument would be if there's, if it can be turned into a process. It's not the game that's going to be beneficial for us as an artist as artists, if we can, if it's something that we can just hand over and say, Okay do x y&z So put the first layer of paint on then you add the clouds by doing like just tapping it like that and they are good to go like, then it's easily
replicable, replicable welcome replicated and so and then it's easily commodities because anyone like it, then someone can say, Okay, well, let's just get a bunch of people who can follow this process. And they can go through and paint and so that's the I mean, there's that area in China. I can't remember what it's called. I'm sure a bunch of listeners.
Would you sound like Trump? China? Okay. I don't know if you can do that. I'm glad
it's not an accident.
It's not a it's not impersonating a Chinese person that was China, China, China. It's like put it in a full sentence. What does he say? Because at the moment is just sounding like a Chinese accent does it? Yeah.
Fuck. How can I do this? And
the maybe not
someone listening? I I've heard Trump say China. China. Sounds like what else does he say? Which is
he said some pretty funny stuff. Yeah,
but there's, there's an area in China where they develop but where they've got like, lose a town where you can get replicas of any Yes. of art. And it's all just, you know, and that's the thing like, that's not what art is, art is, you know, these unique pieces that aren't easily replicable. Yeah, replicated.
It is a hard one because we want to bring people in and slide you think growing is by bringing people in to your creative process. But sometimes, like you, I know you if I got you want to do a project? Yeah, you by yourself lane. I know you'll create something amazing. Well, I'll bring my artistry to it, is it the thing is that what we may be made to realize is it's like
we need to realize what are we hiring this person for? Are they doing something that's just sort of that product and process driven stuff is probably the easiest way because if it's creative, it probably it takes months and months and months of learning and building it's like building this craft thing versus like being on
you know, sort of a line. What is that? What's that Konya car lines, one of the a wheel line alignment will launch
we don't go down the metaphor like if you're making something and what it forward introduce. That's not the car line. It's you know, when a bunch of people are in a factory and they're on a line. Yeah, yeah, what's that called a factory
line factory lines, good for me, he's the thing that way creative. And I wonder if we had set you know, someone who's very successful business person, and they're all about processes. Well, this is
this is bullshit that you need to find the process within your artistry. I mean, it could be a cop out. I mean, that's, I think that's a difference between between between the moment I'm feeling like me structured what the difference between having a big 100 person agency and being a two person shop and so but I think that there's this this middle ground that I'm interested in playing in which is like, okay, maybe you can have the creativity the artistry, the unique work and then maybe you can have this other process stuff that instead of playing these two worlds, because there's a lot of people who go to film school who refuse to do commercial stuff who
end up spending their whole life having to live with housemates and living off ramen because they're not willing to do corporate work bro
they live in Ar Rahman that's fucking 17 bucks I had it today that's how right first time ever having an exclusive but I get I get it's it's slopping a ball. It's
really hard to the to the Japanese who invented it.
Well, you know, we've got a lot of listeners in Japan. Yeah.
And I was with some jab part Brazilian Japanese dudes having it today. And they said this isn't authentic. So ramen in Australia is not your authentic he says this is this is between the China chat and the Japanese channel. If we find you this this is I want to find that I'm going to taxi light of this grab of Trump saying China okay. It My
favorite is him talking about all of these friends? Yeah, I
my friends my friend, my good friend. My very very good friends.
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I've got it from a doc I had an audio book so far and it hasn't washed I'm fine guys I'm really fun it's the daily talk show
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