#023 – Jail time and karma/

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Good afternoon, everyone. It's the daily talk show with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket. f 23. What is up? Yeah, it is a Thursday. The 15th. I'm feeling a bit calmer. I yeah. Well, yesterday had three coffees. You haven't had any today?

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I've actually pushed back on it. That's good. Because if you are outrageous performance, yeah. I've got a headache. Yeah. That's the account. That's the become.

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I realize it just said that. We're at a time. That's the

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lack of coffee. Okay. Valentine's day yesterday. We didn't talk about Valentine's Day, though.

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Not you do anything. Yeah, I did. Yeah.

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I got to. I I've been meaning to get. Maybe I did talk about it. I've been meaning to get a coffee mug. That's right. Myself. That boring story. Hey, you got a third? That's how you got so tweaked.

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But did you actually do anything that not like did you what do you

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what do you mean? Did you have a nice dinner or that now? I actually didn't. I didn't know we just chilled we watched a goggle box fucking love that show box. Would you get a clearly you did something? No, no,

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no. We just went down into pizza. That's what so it's interesting seeing all the people holding so many dudes carrying around limp flowers. This one It looks so said this one guy walking along the street he had long hair and he had just one flower that have just gone it stem was so lame I don't know it was it was like it was like what you'd see out of a rom com where the date went really bad they or they study map and he's just walking down the street with his limp flower and he's hand actually Brie and I did go for a walk and out on the walk I feel like you can really notice the couples that are very new yeah because

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they

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they basically I'm

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they're holding each other closer

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yeah yeah yeah

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I love saying that new dates like me and I and maybe this is a couple thing Tell me if you do it where you are out for dinner and you start speculating. Is that a first date yeah hundred percent like it i think that so much of the enjoyment in going like on dates with your significant other when you are um, you know, when you've been together for a while is painting the picture of these people have just met on Tinder Yeah, she's not vibe being his vibe being but

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our one year anniversary. I mean, I went to Donovan's on the beach in St Kilda, really nice. Italian. It's all it's Yeah, there's Italian dishes there. It's like modern, modern Australian, I think serves everything, right. pastors, risotto stakes, like we got a we got a ship, we get a pie that was $50 and it came and was it deconstructed pie. You know, I can get fucked, man. It was the best fucking pie I've ever had. It was so so good. So came out was like, upside down. And then they like made in front of you. And I thought this is gonna be whack. And it was the nicest part of it. Anyway, we're sitting next to this couple. This guy looked like a bit of a rooster. This girl she was quite made up and you could totally tell that they were on a first date. And he went to the toilet lighter into the dice. And then another woman who was playing the same game has I mean, I came over to her and said it was like I can't remember if she was like offering words of sympathy likes sympathy sign it didn't want by saying what's going on here. So it wasn't working out. Like I don't know if it's working out quite well. And, and he was and it definitely got better as it went on. But this woman like came up totally acknowledged and said, Hi. I totally see what's happening here was so awkward. What we like to think it I feel like that chick who goes up to the chicks a bit of a fact where she was older,

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this desire to be like she wants to be in on it, right? Like, just let them fucking let the train wreck happen. Maybe she's digging the train wreck. Yeah, some people are in to try and ranks he was

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it. That's pretty good first diet if you're getting tackled the Donovan's Yeah. It's not cheap. Why paying 150 bucks a head? Yeah, there was one person who posted something about Valentine's Day that stood out to me Floyd Mayweather don't know a boxer. Mmm. Haha.

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Tell me more. Dig more of it all. It's that right? He's a boxer you So what? what you've done is you've taken headlines whether the boxer could be doing an MMA fight in Perth know UFC was in Perth last weekend. Great. See what's going on here. headline. Josh that's how I work in headlines. So Floyd where the Floyd Mayweather Actually no, I do know more about it. He's like, Don't say anything. Sorry for interrupting. But don't say anything for a sec guy. We just got some feedback from Captain the guy who's got the government after him. That Yes, I was interrupting you too much.

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Anyway,

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Floyd, where? Want more whether my way

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that

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is Scottish. No. Irish.

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Are you actually having pulling my leg? He's that

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fight or is the one that everyone wanted to win that fight? No, no, I'm sorry,

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Floyd Mayweather is who's the guy you know, he's he's fought 50 professional boxing fights never lost a fight and 50 being the one against Conor McGregor the Irish guy who's got MMA fighter stepped into the boxing ring. I same really Phuket like an expert in front of you makes me feel really good that I know this guy. They want to be an expert in sports. Floyd Mayweather he's like an amazing he's one of the he's not if not the best boxer in the world technical box

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is he's the one who actually Hey, force you saying that he fought the Scottish guy. Yeah,

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he Irish Irish.

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I understand. Why can I finish now? I think that what what's happened is he he's a boxer and UFC is in boxing, but he wanted to make some cash. So he went and fought UFC fighting as a boxer.

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That's all I know. It's the you've said it backwards. It was the other guy was Conor McGregor, who was a UFC is a UFC fighter. And he bought and went into the boxing ring, which is hard a hard transition because he only got one weapon he's had

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before he had elbows, knees. Yeah, everything. So anyway Floyd Mayweather like him I hate him I love him for his boxing stuff he's making amazingly skilled American American dude he's worth now a billion dollars and he's gross like he cannot argue I don't think again lazy him being gross in terms of he's approached the women and all the stuff right and i think he's a bit delusional maybe money send you that way he's got so many cars worth a million dollars and maybe it's not celebrated stuff he might be doing a bunch of good stuff but you don't hear about it anyway he like he's been he went to jail for domestic okay good so he's hurt he's female partners. And there's been a couple occasions that I've read that this has happened right and so he posts yesterday and people don't like him generally. Well, I think anyone who's at the top he's got I've got a lot of haters that are pretty strong and I think it's more around the stuff I just mentioned that people start going your gross because I became a fan of him because of his skill set in the ring to people want McGregor or Mayweather pay my wanted my with McGregor to win I think because you Irish is the underdog in terms of it was basically his first professional bar. Okay. But listen to this. I want to show you this and I'll hold it up close here. And this is a clip that he posted to his Instagram Okay, today because today's Ellen Valentine's Day, Marion. The I'm sure listen to what he has to say.

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It's 365 days. And so a lot of

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only four days are special

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birthday, Mother's Day Valentine's and Christmas. What about the other 361 days I feel like a woman should be able to feel special all in time. A man should treat a woman good all the time. Not just those four days. Me Myself. I'm gonna treat a woman good all throughout the year.

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Happy Valentine's Day. This is

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so hard in their life.

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You're all about projecting. But the funny thing what I found about that was they were filming and he he's clearly set it up. And he hasn't really worked out whether he's meant to look at the camera or to look off to the songs at the last second like look off to the side. And he's sort of each flicking between them a bit awkward.

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So here's the thing I didn't mention Floyd Mayweather owns a massive strip club in Las Vegas yeah that he absolutely hammers the promotion through his own Instagram okay and I thought to myself as soon as I watched that I was like fuck bit rich from a dude is going to jail for being a woman and fucking who owns a strip club and I went to the comment section it was the first thing I saw really as I

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dude Do you think he's like so out of touch to know your audience right the people who follow him are probably ticks ticks who dish ticks ticks ticks you yeah

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what their fans that doing the same thing or

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you will yeah oh yeah just like have the similar sort of shifting mindset that he does yeah I'm sorry maybe not Christ I feel like I'm talking out of my

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realm of knowledge which is very small well I think you say it like even in a conversation where

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it's like you talking super techie yeah it's like I tune out a bit yeah

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I get that it's it's fascinating it got me thinking me saying Deke stick reminded me of what were some of the phrases that you would call people when you were younger that's just and it was only mentioned on this once Skinner skin What was that again this is really see this

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as schema is dislike. Yeah, I think it's like you'd be a Skinner if he didn't have pubes yet.

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That's right. Very triggered. And then he's been the receiver trying to get rid of tear on your body. disaster. What about

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knob, jockey knob, jockey knob. jockey. People used to say a lot. And if you actually really think of the two words knob jockey, it's quite funny. Like, it's like riding an orb.

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Hey, if you really deconstruct it, anyone else was a

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jockey with

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two examples. One for me. One for you. I agree.

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So my mom The other day I got a call from her Monday was she listened to squeegee. Yep. No, she hasn't listened to screwed Yep. But she 14 isn't that she's listening to the podcast. Now. She hasn't. She got it. She has no excuse. But I sort of I don't know if I can be bothered with the conversations that will come up after listening. But she was telling me she was saying Josh have had the, you know, the worst day I needed to call someone Okay, what's happened she said she she works at a dental a dentist, she's a dental nurse lives receptionist and she went into the,

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to the surgery to get to let someone in like a new patient. Yeah. So to sit, sit them down. And also I think sit them down, whatever.

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And he was doing that she heard someone sort of in the reception area like next patients or whatever have come in,

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she goes out and as she goes out into the reception area, she sees a guy closing the door behind him and they've got like glass doors and he just looks at a smiles and waves right and then mom looks and she sees like the where they store their money. And there was the key still in it. And she looked at and all of that being paid a few hundred bucks and all of it was gone

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and so fully done a robbery Yeah.

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And next next door to their dentist is like a social services. So you know, people who are struggling mental health stuff, social economics, all that sort of thing that's it's set up for that. And apparently this guy had gone was one of the mates of the people going but they

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mum straightaway, like obviously told her boss and all that sort of thing. And then she went across to the people next door and they said, Yeah, actually we know him. He sees all these details, all that sort of thing that I think so mom spoken to the police sense that I got him now. Well, the thing is, because they didn't catch him actually taking the money. They think the money's gone. Yeah,

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totally. It would be but it's taken spend it Yeah. But it made mom a little nervous about things like she you know, she just feels a bit little bit more scare them that you feel bit grotty. Have you ever had anything stolen from you? I've made I've had my fucking laptop stolen out of my house. And they must have had a key to get in. So they literally just came in and took my laptop. I had videos, exporting and hard drives plugged in with like, thousands of dollars with a client work that I hadn't delivered yet. And they unplanned the hard drives, lift my camera bag on the ground and just talk with this in mind. Our bond I yeah, the problem with bond is that you hire you rent some apartment and it's been 20 other parties in there. Yeah, like, you know, just like so what's the lesson you would you recommend people changing the locks if they get my thing. Every place I go to now change the front door except the new one because I knew the owners. Actually we changed we did we had to get it because I didn't use the bottom lock. So we had a new cuts so we're the only ones with it. It's just peace of mind. Fucking freaks me out. That's why like a patent living. The thing that came to mind though, when you mentioned the stuff about mom is karma. Yeah.

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Do you. You believe in karma are Yeah, I do as a general as a general sort of idea that if I do good things are the good things will happen if I do bad things, bacha

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I said he said then you break it up into good bad karma Yeah, so I was out one night with this dude who he's a bit traveled a bit of a rascal not and I think Kevin was there but we were young we were like 17 and we were drinking and we saw this like super drunk dude who had like an esky that was passed out on a bench at like a tram stop and he had the esky on the ground so you've obviously been going hard all day and this rascal guy that I know went out to the esky open up the esky. He didn't wake up in the still just magnitude passed out there was a wallet in there. Uh huh. He picked up the wallet and opened it up and it was cached. It's like hundred 50 bucks. He took the cash, close the wallet and put it back close the ski and left awake lies is your match. I've not met with him. Okay. actually saw ring this week. Okay. In a fight with a guy to 711 not a fistfight. Verbal fight with the guy across the counter. Anyway, a week later. I've got so many questions. A week later, after the the drunk guy incident.

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He was caught up in the tsunami in Thailand. And as soon as I heard I was like, fuck is that karma? Not. I mean, there's a lot of people there. But for someone like him, and I know karma. Well, if then you because I thought like, if you think about karma,

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it's there's a lot of people doing bad stuff in the world. But

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then you could say, what about all the innocent people who died? Of course, what about is that their karma? Like, did they fuck something up that we don't know?

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No, but maybe they don't think you could. I don't think calm Is that clear? Cut, right? where it's like, all these people are gonna be bad, that have been bad. It could be in one place. And it happens. But it's like, if you were to look at for an individual basis. And karma being for each individual. And I'm not saying about the people who really who are great people that got taken and lost their lives that day. But individually, that you kind of

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end up in a place now you something bad's happening or not. Yeah,

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I think like, here's the thing, I think you should use that you should use karma as a mechanism to stop you from doing shit that you shouldn't do.

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However, lots of shit things happen to people, you know, like some people get really pissed off when you say like, everything happens for a reason. It's like all my whole family's just being killed or all these people have just died around me. What's the reason? Yeah, and I think that probably those moments I think karma as a very general rule to be able to

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manage yourself. That's why some people I find it fascinating. Some people are religious for that reason, right? It keeps them like if God is watching them, and that's enough for them to not do the wrong thing. Yeah,

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true. I came at that with it's not my it wasn't my opinion. That was why was tsunami but I really did think about like all the badge this dude individually have done these life.

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Well, he's gonna Yeah, I mean, I was up in there. Like, it's like, he's vibration. Can you tell me about so seven? Going back to the 711? You want to talk? talking terms with him? Oh, yeah,

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I mean, I would have I on the juice. Did he say that? You saw him? No. Okay. was one of those see him and turn away again. It's almost this weird thing that to me feels like it's almost like an out of body experience. Where you're seeing someone in the future who you used to know. And then seeing them where they've gone.

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Well, I haven't I haven't actually seen him in person for ages. Yeah. And then I said to my captain, who was there on the night as well. I said to Jane, you couldn't fucking believe it. I saw this dude. And he's in an argument again. Yeah. And that was what his deal was all the time being in arguments with everybody else. Yeah, and just shit going on. She happening to him constantly

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is a choice, isn't it? Like those sort of things.

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It's a level of mindfulness and what I've been thinking about is how avoiding the avoiding the React some sort of reactive state like yesterday, I was really pissed off with myself where I was like, I actually can't remember what the episode was because I was so fucking hard on caffeine. Seriously, I was like, so high on caffeine. I was like, I was actually so impulsive and so like reaction reaction like try it reminded me of a kid and you know what are thinking I should have so much sugar as a kid I think I was high all the time like I think like you know people talk about kids being that real fucking feral. Yeah and then you find out that they just say like fucking

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lie down redskin Redskins and shit

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snap crackle but it's

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like it's interesting. I think cameras okay. It's it's an okay mechanism. But I wouldn't put too much weight on on it in some regards. He's it a proven Is it a proven theory and in fact, if I know I would say no. Yeah, but I mean I've we had all the medium psychic shit yesterday. The same sort of realm I guess. Yeah.

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I guess it is. If I could feel a bit bad for talking about that Thailand stuff.

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That's fine. Now it may be maybe it is like the because then you go away. Getting to. I wonder whether we are getting to internal on this podcast. Like this. We are. You are. You are the most internal person I've ever

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met. Like, reflect. I told me how are you? Oh, fuck. I am a tone. I just said. Hey, Tommy. How I was probably not the

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TV. I think it's um, I think that as a listener get fucking annoyed. If people you can say something like, you can say some shit. And you get it wrong. And like, that's entertainment, isn't it? It's like it's there's a lot more there's people out there who would just like same human from the footy show? He's not thinking like this sort of thought. Like it's it's not really it's like constant reactive state, isn't it? It's that constant. Like what can I say? To get a laugh? What How can I be

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if I wonder if it's a feeling of like I'm living in dangerous existence or I feel like I'm there's always someone after me for what I've said or I did have this moment no joke this morning. Whereas like what if I go to the P o box and someone fucking puts anthrax is the one where they get anthrax from I can Kim Jong Hoon from listening to all this stuff. And we have someone in

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Seoul listening. Yeah. The South Korea Yes. Yeah,

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it'd be I'd be very impressed if we were on the internet in North Korea. The No. But then I was thinking about like, Arthur now. There's heaps of fucking famous people.

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And then I was thinking like, Man, it's so amazing. That shit doesn't happen more often. What? From what people say know that like famous people like there's enough nutcases that hate famous people

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yeah that they will

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you know that the people don't do crazy shit who

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is getting stalked like you always hear about people getting

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having court cases where they have there's a stalker that's been basically told if you come me going to jail yeah there's lots of those cases I know I mentioned him heaps episodes logan paul i guess is the epitome of modern day fame youtuber biggest YouTube as well some dude was just sleeping on his couch the other night and they were there in the house having that seems like fucking calm like going back to karma this camp has been like fucking he's personally done that exact same shit right to different people not like the sisters dude wasn't not not all there

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for a second difference What's it because Logan Paul has a camera he's allowed to be a knob jockey

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yeah I know him meaning there but I mean he's like jockey to your own house he's not jockey homophobic and I just

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I know it doesn't come to mind

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I can send us some feedback every time if I if I'm

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being homophobic not homophobic because it's not just for me like anyone could be

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I think it comes down to freedom of speech everyone so fucking scared right okay I'm worried about around what people are saying.

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Yeah and I think that's it you just were worried then that you were offending a certain time and you have a lot of friends and but we don't have the context of it like I've got like lots of friends who live these different lives and you don't want to upset people and as our

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audience broadens that's going to be maybe a fucking responsibility but

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you know one will ever be happy right with what you say yeah they'll either agree or strongly disagree on the fence I can be much said he liked yesterday's episode and then captain said that I'm fucking lost the plot so there's two opposing which is fine thoughts around the exact same thing that listening to it didn't change from the what they listen into. fascinating how long we got sort of gone 25 minutes we do another five minutes because I'm going to quad luck lady like a really just punch through that

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the name to get the plugin. They're called lock the iPhone case. I actually use one. Yeah,

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Robbie, if you listen. Yeah,

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it's going straight from here to there. But

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I think that'd be so scared. I think you have a good filter on you about what's actually okay. You're not a racist person. You know, a sexist person. You're not a homophobic person. So everything you do say you're going to have a bit of what's behind what you do say to believe that you have not fucking saying the wrong thing if you had if you have own it.

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Have you changing topic being following the Olympics at all? When I never

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TV since my problem I like other than seeing headlines come up about a guy from Warren dot. Who got a bronze or something or silver and being crying. What's his name? Scott?

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He's in Melbourne. Guys. Neither one that I think. Yeah.

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Someone at Fox since his brother or something

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interesting. But yeah, it's, it's, um, I would watch it. It's like tennis. When it rolls around. If I've got a TV on nia. I could start watching and get into it. What I

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don't understand. Maybe you know the answer. Olympics. Yeah.

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Is

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the other Olympics called Summer Olympics.

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It's good point. It's just is it even in some of that?

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I think it's No, it's just the Olympics. And then you have Winter Olympics. So winter. It's like sports relating to pretty much things that are done in cool climate so sometimes fun, rather than dealing shit and finding out the answer will just fucking I'll ask you. So you don't know. So it's the Winter Olympics. I think it might be the Summer Olympics. Now. I've never heard volleyball, qubit. They're all just things that are done non winter non winter that can that don't involve ice or snow. So there's like, think about all the sports in Winter Olympics. Yeah, it all involves either ice or snow. So that's why it's the defining Winter Olympics.

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It's interesting how the news shapes our views on things right, or the things that we remember from big incidents in the past. I'm just on news calm today. You and they've got an unspeakable horrors 17 dead in school massacre.

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I read that

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is it. What are some moments that have happened that you really distinctly remember? What are the images? I've got to remember? 11? Yeah,

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I remember getting tall getting woken up by my mom. And she said, darling, there's been a terrorist attack. And I was year seven. I had no idea what the fuck it meant. Yeah, what the Twin Towers were. But then I remember getting to school and we had on television

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footage of people. It was like unscented. It was like live of people jumping out the window. Yeah, I remember this kid. This kid I met him he left the room because he was crying couldn't handle it. Sensitive little soul because I was like, holy like you know, I was like, the way you want to it. Yeah, it was like doing something to me. We're also it's probably surreal. It feels like I'm watching another movie. Yeah.

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As you are as a sales maybe a little bit more emotionally in tune. Yes. I was just like all you're like our backlog of those. But But yeah, if you connect it with it being real people and shared and that was before social media was big. I remember the big massacre in Tansy.

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Do you remember that? Yeah, you would have been 1110 fucking way I'm not how zoox

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1996 the Port Arthur Arthur massacre and you know what i like i still is this

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we went to the shooters name but I do know it

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because that's like a sensitive thing right? Fucking don't give him a time and he wore this fucking white jumper woolen jumped on and it was like there was a photo of him with this blonde hair and white jumper he was it looked like Kurt Cobain a bit yeah it just fucking it really like dirty yeah I think about I also think about I remember um they did a an article because when these things happen the media just go all over them so I remember um they took photos of what he's prison cell was like and just I remember the metal toilet which every time I go to one of those fucking you know the public toilets if I can have the middle my He's my that and blown out yeah he's gone all like he's on like obviously on a bunch of drugs and shit to keep him under wraps

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could you what you know what I was thinking about like what it would take just you turn the wrong way you do one fact up thing and you're in jail people leave that I mean it's closer to you because if you fucking you're a bit outrageous as a kid

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but just like texting on your phone yeah you fucking hit someone you're in jail.

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It's

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it's harder and it's easier than you think being sentenced Did you

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know many people who are being sentence yeah

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yeah. What's the longest amount of time Oh I know I got the moment

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who he is. I don't think he's had his trial but he might be in there for like 10 years now I'm Sean or something. King hit whatever. Like cowards punch. It was more of a shotgun incident.

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some serious Yeah, yeah. And yeah, but then I know other people have just done short stints in there. It's crazy. Like this. Definitely. Like everyone comes out with the just this this. It's almost like a different demeanor. Because you need to hold it together in there. You're not all prisons are like what you say dropping the soap and all that shit. Hardcore prisons, I think more like that. Like, yeah, Port Phillip in Melbourne. Like a maximum security. But then there's a, you know, the law max the lowest security prisons of working fans and stuff like that. But he's also it's men. And if you are a man, and that's what I'm referring to. Yeah, this testosterone. These egos, it's everything. It's like, put, put a whole bunch of them in a It's like putting men in the cage. There will be fights, there will be aggression. There will be fucking, you know, just anger. That's and so my point is I from my close friend who was in there. Yeah, I could just tell from the when he came out that he just had this like this. It wasn't it's a protection mechanism is tweaked or what's not sweet but just a bit fucking rough. Yay. Just a bit rough, but not acting rough to me. But just like this. I can't explain it. Like, if I just seen a few things and gone through a bit of stuff. You'd probably feel the order. Yeah, I'm a bit harder. Yeah. And so that's what I felt. It's, it's it. It's questionable, whether they rehabilitation, whether it is rehabilitation, like on that top end of prisons. Yeah. I don't know how much rehabilitation you get out of going to a place where you're a bit I think,

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I think affectionate facts you out more, and they go back into society. And it's, it's more screwed up very quickly. A story 2011, I get this Facebook message. I'd been doing a

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I'd been part of a film course over two years during my last two years of high school. And I got to work with heaps of different people on video stuff like professionals who were in different industries, but wanted to make films. So anything from psychologists lawyers to just like just regular jobs and stuff like that. There was one guy who was a consultant, and he was from the US and he was here with his wife and kid anyway, really well off, he was working at a company called Accenture, big consulting company in Melbourne. And

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really nice guy. And I remember in

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actually was 2012. So in 2012, I got I was going to Macworld for, you know, in San Francisco and mom and dad was saying, you should catch up with T this guy, right? And I was like,

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are, he was a bit further out than I was like, I was gonna be in San Francisco, who was a bit sort of further out. Anyway, a month later, I get back from that trip. I get a Facebook message from someone saying,

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I'm just using initials R, he's teased wife has just passed away. And T has been arrested for her murder, and turns out that he'd stabbed her with scissors. Oh, and they were and they were going to be getting a divorce and all that sort of thing. But the real crazy part of it was, I was following along the trial. He's gotten like life in prison, right? But I was following along and all of these other story started coming about out about him. He had a previous wife who died when she was in a car with Todd and he just gotten a bee sting apparently. And they were camping in the middle of nowhere. And apparently she veered off the road because she was racing to the hospital because he was allergic to these bees. And Todd fact, his name's Todd, you said yes. He prison, right. If I can imprison I don't have to. If I can protect anyone now

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his wife's name as an issue. Exactly. You said Todd. A lifetime ago.

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I was trying to be fucking clever. He's charming, cryptic.

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I'm not trying to preach jail for murder English

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efficiently. And so what? He moved it so he's probably murdered this. So this out he got out in time out of the car. There was a whole fucking TV show.

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How fucking crazy is that?

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And so like, I remember just, it just changed my perception on things. My mind I'm like, because I Rachel who was his wife who he killed, you know, the one that I knew, like, I knew her and like, we all hung out. And so it was just a big and so there was all this other She said her name. Yeah, I know. You're in fact. So the this basically the the interesting thing was, it was just like reading all about it. And following along. Yeah, it turns out that he was

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he worked he was actually an Air Force pilot in the US. I think he had like severe trauma or something from it. But he was kicked out of that. And there was a story where Rachel told he's told her friend that Todd at this was when he was working for another company that Todd was going to fake a mental breakdown at a conference in Amsterdam and like all of this crazy shit he faked cancer once as well. Someone

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came out as a scumbag yeah and he's in jail forever Yeah, good and like

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I have to think like that that's in our world and he was in his word he was in my world I think there's more people that could be tweaked around you then you probably realize it's that they just don't act on it yeah

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as you said one wrong turn it never felt

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even just thinking about like I was telling you I think the other day was the the bloody going pastor police person with a gun just hanging out you just have that little fucking moment of like geez that's easy. Oh 100% it's there is Gary a monster inside of all of us. A lot of us just have the monster mine came out yesterday and three coffees is the concoction if you want doctors monster that sounds really bad. Yeah, it's the daily talk show with Tommy and Josh if you've listened this far, you don't think we can play backwards and these of you we love you and we do appreciate any iTunes reviews just because like that's how they do the fucking algorithm so you appear higher up so if you leave a review and a rating that's really I was the number one Korea's podcast Josh speaking was interesting for a while because I got everyone tour. Yeah, I see all these people celebrating when they release paga there in the top. pretty fucking easy to get us in there. But it'd be good everyone have a good one. Also, you can email us high at the daily talk. show.com and also we do have a p o box. Now anthrax plays its p o box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 3067. Bye.