Radical honesty (ADULT THEMES)

Josh: Yep, you've clicked on the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: Thanks for joining us.

Josh: Yeah, it's Friday and we're in a different location to our normal filming.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a bit different, we're at my joint. Episode 14.

Josh: In Saint Kilda.

Tommy: Saint Kilda.

Josh: As you call it.

Tommy: Well, some places actually spell it S-A-I-N-T Kilda, but a lot of places just S-T. And so when I see it spelt spelt out Saint— Saint Kilda. I say Saint Kilda for some reason, but it's Saint Kilda.

Josh: My, uh, my Maps was saying Streets Kilda.

Tommy: This is, um, should I give away my street name? Yeah, Spencer Street. Yeah, if you come after me, I'll come after you. Um, anyway, it's spelt S-P-E-N-S-E-R Spencer Street is one.

Josh: Spell it again.

Tommy: S-P-E-N-S-E-R. Oh, that's annoying. There's a street in the city, Spencer Street, one of the main streets here in Melbourne.

Josh: Really? You say yours is Spencer and you say that one is Spencer?

Tommy: They're both the same.

Josh: Spencer. Spencer.

Tommy: Spencer. Because I'm probably making the distinction that it's not Spencer Street because Amy's friend was getting a cab here and where'd she fucking end up?

Josh: Spencer, is she from Sydney?

Tommy: She's from England.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Either way, the cab driver, it was the cab driver.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: It wasn't, it was like Spencer Street.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: I can see how that works. He said Spencer Street, St Kilda, and then all of a sudden they're in Spencer Street in the city.

Josh: That's annoying.

Tommy: And you think a cab driver should know if you say Spencer Street, St Kilda, it's not the one in the CBD. So, it's confusing. But it's like the English language. There's so many things about it that.

Josh: Is just fucking dumb.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, very intelligent and meaning— there's meaning behind it all and you just don't know it. And so we're fucking dumb.

Josh: And the reason I brought up the location is because you might hear some cars and shit because you got a single glazing here, but you're about to move downstairs.

Tommy: Yeah, it's— I hate moving and this is the easiest move by far, but it still comes with stresses. I've lived in maybe 8 different houses.

Josh: That's a lot. What's the biggest stress?

Tommy: Doing it. Yeah, taking shit downstairs. I take my hat off to, um, removalists doing that shit like day in, day out.

Josh: Oh, not an ideal job.

Tommy: Do you think you need like a mindset for jobs like that?

Josh: Like, in a sense, something like, I need some fucking money.

Tommy: That's a good incentive.

Josh: The, would you ever do CBD living, like live in Melbourne?

Tommy: Oh, not in Melbourne. I don't, I just think there's too many great places. Maybe I've got, I know Melbourne too well that I don't want to live.

Josh: What is it about Melbourne, the city that you don't like?

Tommy: I don't, I wouldn't want to just be there on the times that I don't have to be. Like if I was in Sydney CBD, like Sydney CBD, and when you're talking about like the business district of Sydney, sure, it can be boring. But just on the edge of that is the harbour that is the water to the, one of the most beautiful views in Australia.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: As far as the city goes.

Josh: Where does that come for Melbourne? Like where do you think it actually gets to that point?

Tommy: Like if you, are you, if you're living in Melbourne CBD on the Yarra, it's a different thing. Than living Collins Street.

Josh: Because you're almost living Richmond at that point.

Tommy: Yeah, or Southbank or like South Melbourne.

Josh: It's like living in Docklands.

Tommy: Well, the Docklands is an interesting one in Melbourne because they opened it up.

Josh: And no one came. Yeah.

Tommy: Windy, it became like a wind tunnel. And that fucking wheel. That wheel was a disaster.

Josh: Is it even running now or no?

Tommy: I don't know. Have you ever been on it?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Me either.

Josh: Did you do the— Have you ever done— Have you been to London?

Tommy: I went to London. I rode around London. We got to the base of the London Eye and said, "Fuck that. No way." It's like, I'd rather spend the day because we would have to wait 3 hours. It was like a busy time.

Josh: I was looking at London on a map and realised what the name of the London Eye actually is. Do you know? No. The Coca-Cola London Eye.

Tommy: It's okay, so it's just, it's a branding opportunity like Etihad Stadium.

Josh: Yeah, or really, I feel like Coca-Cola— I wonder if there's other stadiums.

Tommy: Is that your— how long, when did that come about?

Josh: I literally just looked at like a week ago on Google Maps and it said Coca-Cola.

Tommy: They're definitely not— I haven't seen them sell it like that. Was it just on their website or was this true?

Josh: All I saw it was on the map. I wonder if it is on the website. I wonder if they've like Going all Coca-Cola on their branding.

Tommy: We'll take it. We'll take your money. Or they've gone the opposite way. We'll take your money, but we just won't be seen to be talking about it.

Josh: I'm just thinking, is Etihad and stuff, do they have the logo of the company or is it just name rights?

Tommy: It's, it's the, it becomes the name Etihad Stadium and it's on a big plaque or like.

Josh: With their logo though?

Tommy: I think it's in their font.

Josh: Okay, so it's their font and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. An interesting thing that I wanted to bring up was our fucking podcast is going really well downloads-wise, and we've even—

Tommy: We both hate it, but the fans love it.

Josh: So, it's— Well, we haven't promoted it anywhere, but people are listening and we've even got people rating on iTunes and we hadn't mentioned iTunes at all. But if you do actually think that this is at all interesting, but I can chuck us a rating.

Tommy: Definitely chuck us a rating. But it's, it's interesting from being on radio where you're, you're forcing yourself into people's ears. Like, yeah, where I was living, there was two other radio stations and they weren't commercial, so there was not much funding behind them. They were either like a little community station or like ABC or Sports or something. So then most of the music that the kids like, or that most people like in these areas is played on the station that I was on. Therefore, when they wake up, they're probably listening to me. And most of them— and when I was on radio, Spotify in cars and stuff, it wasn't as big as it is right now.

Josh: Not even as big as what it's going to be, right?

Tommy: And so I feel so fucking happy when I see views because I'm like, someone's actually decided on that.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I feel like it's even worth a lot more prestigious than video now. In terms of what we do. As far as a viewer, they get— can be— we can woo them in a bunch of different ways.

Mason: Yeah. Cool.

Tommy: Audio, you've got no escaping, just two voices or a voice.

Josh: The last couple of episodes were a bit too long, I think.

Tommy: Yeah, we're definitely cutting this one back. It's Friday.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: I don't want to work too hard.

Josh: Yeah, we want to chill out a bit. You had— at the end of the show, we'll play some old grabs. From when you were a, uh, like a disc jockey or whatever you want to call it.

Tommy: I was a radio host.

Josh: A radio host.

Tommy: But I have apprehension to do it because it's— it was a me of years ago. Like, it'd be— imagine bringing up you talking 3 years ago about things that you felt or believed. It's like, I don't know how much of it—

Josh: I mean, it was nothing— I wasn't saying the world was flat or anything.

Tommy: I was.

Josh: That's a good rave. It actually really went well in Shepparton.

Tommy: So I'm a bit apprehensive to share some stuff, but I'll— we can pick a couple. I've got like— I saved so much of this audio because I was hoping one day maybe I could do something with it. I'd like to listen back to it when I'm 60, be like, that fucking young punk I was, 23, 24. Thinking that the earth was flat. No.

Josh: The— that's almost like I wonder about all of the like old recordings and tapes and things like that. It feels like it can sort of hold you back in some regards. Like I feel like I want to get to a point where I just digitise all of this shit and just chuck it out because it adds clutter.

Tommy: Like tapes, legit tapes.

Josh: Yeah. It's just like unnecessary. And there's digital clutter as well, right? It's just like, I've got so many fucking hard drives. You've got lots of hard drives too.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Have you ever had a hard drive fail?

Tommy: I had one that had a whole bunch of footage that I needed and it was shitting itself when I was trying to transfer and I managed to just get it off. Like it was on the verge of dying.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I, you had that one. What happened?

Josh: Yeah, I had one fuck up, but luckily I had stuff backed up on enough sort of hard drive. Clean, reinstating sort of the data, but I managed to do it, so that was lucky.

Tommy: Well, I think it's one of the things that pisses me off when people want free stuff, like free work, free video stuff. As soon as I start rolling that camera, it's recording data that needs to be then stored somewhere, and who's paying for the storage? But I mean, you can get pretty bitter on it.

Josh: No, but also like, that's thinking it was such a micro level in the sense of like, and it's your fucking time. Like, I think that you're still at the understanding your worth within that stuff. But, um, yeah, free, free work.

Tommy: I mean, it can go further than that though. So you record it, and it's probably just because I've faced all these situations. You have 20 gigabytes of footage and it's not exactly that easy to just shoot over 20 gigabytes. But there's a, there's a bit of— so like, cameras are getting so good and storage isn't keeping up at a low cost. To what the camera is essentially costing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So the camera's a low cost, but creating these huge files.

Josh: I think that what's happened is data is still getting cheaper, but what's happening is, like a few years ago, the cameras that were taking up heaps of storage were very expensive. So the barrier to entry was high, so you wouldn't be getting that. So if you spent all that money on a camera, you would assume that you can spend the money on storage. But now we're getting cameras that are way cheaper that are giving us some of those, these professional options, which includes higher bitrates, which is increasing the storage file size. But I mean, the best thing was the, um, me getting that RAID. I forget how handy that is.

Tommy: Josh owns an $8,000 hard drive.

Josh: It's like, well, it's like 8— how many hard drives? 6 hard drives in there or something. It's like 48 terabytes.

Tommy: Yeah, but I just like to talk about the— because if you don't like hard drives or tech stuff, it seems like a lot of fucking money. $8,000 and it's a little black box. Yeah, I went and picked it up in my car and it was worth more than my fucking car. You said to me once, a good filmmaker, their gear is worth more than the car that they drive.

Josh: I mean, talking about the car, you just sold— you sold your, uh, car.

Tommy: That was an interesting experience. I hadn't done this in this way. So I've had— I, I bought this Honda Civic My first car, uh, my second car was a BMW that I got financed for.

Josh: Fuck, you're such a bogan at heart, aren't you?

Tommy: No, I'm an idiot. And it wasn't a finance—

Josh: finance— and you're a PT at this time?

Tommy: I had a stripping business then. It was all right, it wasn't too bad.

Josh: Were they leather seats?

Tommy: It was red leather. It was so— it was a really good car, had a TV in it.

Josh: Not to be too smutty, but did you have sex in the car?

Tommy: No, never, never.

Josh: And you're being honest, I can tell.

Tommy: I've never had sex in a car, I'll say that.

Josh: You've never had sex in a car?

Tommy: Have you had sex in a car?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Then I've never. You've got one up.

Josh: I've had a wank in a car. I have not. You haven't had a wank in a car either?

Tommy: I've never had a wank in a car.

Josh: Have you done like, have you ever wanked at a workplace?

Mason: Fuck off!

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Well, like how quiet was it? Like it must have been.

Tommy: V-quiet wank.

Josh: But it's also like The other thing too is that the thing is like, I mean, it's something that you do when you're young. You don't like, I think you get past this stage where it's like, but I remember like being 19 or something and that even being the thing where it's like, well, I better need—

Tommy: Mate, I'm not saying it's the thing to do. It's very weird. And I couldn't imagine.

Josh: I mean, the only reason that if I'd ever done it, I would do it was because I was like an office on my own. It was like a single toilet where you just like, But fuck, desperate times.

Tommy: This brings back memories of being on radio, being vulnerable, talking about shit. It's so fucking confronting. Did you enjoy it? If there was a fucking news article of Tommy Jacket wanked at work, I don't care. But there's still levels of like secrets that you keep to yourself or things that you just, you're not, you don't want to verbalise them a lot.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But you— but if you do, you feel vulnerable doing so.

Josh: But that's the whole— that's my whole, whole thing. And I think maybe we're talking about like radical, uh, honesty or whatever, right? And people can tell—

Tommy: talk about that concept.

Josh: Well, people like— people can—

Tommy: did I tell you about it?

Josh: Yeah, you told me about it.

Tommy: Do you want me to say it?

Josh: Well, I can tell you to say it, and then I'll say like the radically honest thing that I told you.

Tommy: Okay, so there is people who get off over being honest, and it becomes a fetish. And there's groups where they get together and they go around the group and they are basically outdoing each other by saying something that they've done. And in this example that this guy gave, this dude was saying he was there, and he— it got around to this dude who just said, I've murdered somebody.

Josh: Yeah, that's fucked, isn't it?

Tommy: And it was like, whether he did it or not He might have. And so there is this world that's so far from me.

Josh: Fuck, dude.

Tommy: But you, when I told you that, what did you say?

Josh: I was saying like, it reminds me like I've just gotten comfortable with, I think it's like our past, like removing ourselves from our past. And I told you my squeegee story. You didn't think I was gonna bring that up.

Tommy: You wanna fucking, you can bring that up.

Josh: Yeah, I will. So this is, let's be clear.

Mason: Oh no.

Josh: Let's be clear that this is the smuttiest show that we're gonna have. And I realise that this isn't for kids in cars, like turn it off, this isn't right.

Tommy: We don't work for a radio station.

Josh: Yeah, I know, we don't have to censor this. You fucking listen to this podcast. Yeah, you've heard us say everything. But I'll be very quick. There was a time in my, probably when I was 13 or 14 years old, where I was experimenting and that included using the squeegee in the shower and sticking the handle in my ass.

Tommy: Oh my God.

Josh: And because I remember— Yeah, why the fuck?

Tommy: I never asked why.

Josh: I just remember the sex ed teacher telling us that that's where like the pleasure was, and it, fuck it, it was. I sound like a massive sex pest though now, but now like, like arse isn't my— like, I don't like—

Tommy: Josh has been with his partner for the last 10 years, so he's not some swinger.

Josh: Yeah, exactly, but, uh, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Tommy: Yeah, you were young. I mean, I don't want to go any further, but that felt good for you telling me.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, I think that now that it's out in the open, it's fine. But I just think about the types. I wonder how, say, like clients, if clients are listening to this, like, that's okay, right?

Tommy: I honestly think honesty, if you can't argue with it, if you were to criticise you about your honesty and what you did—

Josh: A client could be upset about you wanking at work.

Mason: Why?

Josh: Well, maybe because they're like, oh, um, where's Tom? We've got this meeting on, where's Tommy at?

Tommy: Mate, I'm a business owner, and so when I say work, I'm— I don't mean— I'm not at the radio station, not when I'm working for a big corporation.

Josh: I was talking about when I was at the fire brigade. You're just talking wanky at home.

Tommy: I had a home studio, I had a personal training studio, and I lived out the back.

Josh: It's so low level. I have it like, it was only once I think.

Tommy: To make you feel better, I did it at school as well.

Josh: Really? Yeah, I never did that.

Tommy: But I was under, I was a kid, I was 13, dude.

Josh: Well, I was like 19. That was like over 10 years ago. No, it wasn't.

Tommy: It's good relatable content, Josh.

Mason: I think so.

Josh: There's people out there thinking maybe, maybe you've just had, maybe you've just done it. Anyway, um, you're definitely not—

Tommy: you're not weird because I think there would be a lot of people— and if you think you're— Josh is weird, okay, but yeah, whatever.

Josh: I mean, like, yeah, there's the scale of— I think that I'm only comfortable talking about it because it happened, you know, 8 or 9 years ago and it gives you a semi-chub. No, but I think radicalized. I think that if it happened, I don't think— like, I think we can laugh at that and in 8 or 9 years' time we can have a podcast about the shit that I did at your place. But right now it's all too fresh.

Tommy: You went to the toilet earlier.

Josh: I did, yeah. Did away.

Tommy: All right, moving on. So that's what I was saying about my car. So I had the BMW and I didn't have sex in it, nor any of my other cars. And then I've got my Civic. I bought this Honda Civic because I realised that being in debt was dumb and I got out of it.

Josh: How much did you lose on the car? Probably like a couple of grand.

Tommy: So here's the thing. I didn't really lose because I got hardly any money back and then that just paid off the rest of the loan. So it was like I just wasted $800 a month or something on the repayment. So it was a silly idea. I didn't get ahead. I didn't get any capital.

Josh: $800 a month you're paying?

Tommy: $744 or something like that.

Josh: That's like the cost of, nearly the cost of my office. So it doesn't seem like—

Tommy: I know, dude. What a stupid thing. That's why I got rid of it.

Josh: Yeah. Anyway, how many months did you have it for?

Tommy: I had it for a year or something, but it drastically reduced in cost. I can't remember, but in value, in value, sorry. And so I bought this other car and it served me so well. $4,000 or $5,000 and it just was a runabout, went forever. And I've had it long enough that it got to a point where I was like re-registering or paying for rego or trying to sell this and meaning that I have to get a roadworthy would be too much because the car's not even worth the amount that you'd need to spend to get the roadworthy. So I was like, looked into getting rid of it and just having someone come pick it up. Called the scrappers that are like Honda Civic or Honda scrappers. So you can get a bit more for it.

Josh: Oh, that's interesting.

Tommy: They offered me $200 to take it off my hands. I had to deliver it to them. Then I called some other company, Cash for Scrap Cars Melbourne. That's the business name. Yeah. And then he's like, yes, mate, we'll send someone out Friday. $150 cash.

Josh: Need proof of ownership?

Tommy: Well, I said to the dude, have you ever taken a car that wasn't the right car? He's like, no. He laughed. But all I had to show him was my driver's license, which doesn't show— and then sign for it or something. You didn't scan it? He wrote the details down. But if I forge that—

Josh: geez, that's a funny prank, isn't it?

Mason: It's—

Tommy: it is a system you could I mean, it's $150.

Josh: You had to give them the keys, but not even just for the money, just because they don't expect it to be running it.

Tommy: So here's the thing, right?

Josh: I was like, oh, but they need to be able to get in to be able to put it on the—

Tommy: they don't sell it, they sell it on the fucking truck, they can push it on.

Josh: Okay, did they push it? Do you have the keys though?

Tommy: I had the keys, flat battery, so we knew it was mine, right? Okay, but I could have gone, oh, I don't have the battery, I don't have the keys, flat battery. Um, it's open, you know, you could— I'm thinking if you could, you could do it. Yeah, it'd be a bit much effort though. So anyway, I got rid of it and he took it, and $150, $150, $150 bucks.

Josh: Yeah, and he tried to rip you off too, didn't he?

Tommy: He did. He said to me, um, he said, oh, $100, but he'd already written $150 down onto the—

Josh: so he was trying to pocket the— we probably shouldn't have said the business. Yeah, he tried to rip you.

Tommy: Um, but I don't know, he's just been cheeky. He'd laughed and I said no. I don't know, who cares? Honesty. Radical honesty.

Josh: Radical honesty. Do you think it's good? Like, do you think, uh, what do you think about the radical honesty like that regard? It seems to be diminishing returns. When do you be honest versus when you— when shouldn't you be honest?

Tommy: Well, I think honesty can get in the way. And what I mean by that is like if a workplace isn't going to hire you because they knew you shoved a squeegee up your ass Yeah, there's a possibility in that, right? So people are fearful of being honest.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Or telling somebody about, um, I was just thinking there is a thought around, um, say, say, if being racist—

Josh: I cleaned the squeegee, to be clear. Okay, good.

Tommy: Say if being racist becomes illegal, which they're pushing for, and I think there is, I think it is illegal.

Josh: Being racist.

Tommy: So If I was to go out—

Josh: I don't know if the squeegee thing is comparable, but—

Tommy: No, but here's the thing. Honesty. I was just reflecting on honesty. So there's some thought around—

Josh: I think you had dumb ideas.

Tommy: Let people be racist because society will weed them out because there's no room for racism. But we will know what those people are thinking because the people who are racist that never talk about it, they're super dangerous. Yeah, we don't know because they're not being honest. So if you allow honesty across the board, society will weed a lot of these grubs in society out.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So I think that's an extreme case of honesty.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I like being honest. My thing for this year is honest content because the amount of times when I was on radio that we got fake callers— and yes, on radio there's people who are friends of the radio hosts telling a storey and pretending like they're not— they're a car from Narre Warren.

Josh: Well, when you're a market from fucking Shepparton, you also— that you only have a certain amount of callers, right? Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And so my point is it's dishonest.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it's a— you could argue that it's, oh, it doesn't really matter, it's for the entertainment value. But I honestly think that being honest rewards you, whereas if you were being dishonest, having someone on in a small thing like a fake call, it's still offering up a vibe.

Josh: Well, I think that it also sets a tone. I had someone say to me, I— well, all the callers on radio are fake. I'm like, excuse me? Like, oh yeah, they're all just like, uh, they're all people that work at the radio station. I'm like, do you really think they could fucking fill— do you think that there's enough people in sales to be able to do that? I mean, that's— so I guess that's where the dishonesty becomes a problem because you be dishonest once and then people apply it to your whole fucking show.

Tommy: Exactly. And it— there's a flow-on effect of that vibe that being dishonest brings.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And that's, that's— I guess that's a really good example.

Josh: Yeah. Of, uh, it's like, okay, you're being dishonest about this. It's like the small— on this small scale. So, I guess, how can I trust you on a much bigger scale?

Tommy: Because the radio thing, what's the, what's the solution, right? You can work out how to share something with entertainment or be funny in a different way than just getting on a dude who makes up a fake story. Yeah, there is many options and it's just not explored. And so, and I'm guilty, dude, of bringing on people who aren't.

Josh: Who would you get?

Tommy: We'd get other people within the radio station, like within the radio industry. So like say we're up at 6 AM or we're up at 5 AM, there's a bunch of other 20 other radio shows in regional markets around Australia that are up the same time. They're our friends, right? And so we're just calling through, hey, can you quickly just do this? Can you quickly just be Bob, say this?

Josh: Interesting. Did you— how did you have like a network of those? Like, how did you connect with all those? But so you'd be emailing or—

Tommy: we're on email, it's the same, same ending of an email address. So you're kind of within the library, you can look through a library, but then you become like, um, become buddy-buddy with different people. Exactly.

Josh: But how do you— like, I'm curious as to, on a regional station, like, are you connected with people? Are you having weekly conversations with people close by?

Tommy: Uh, we have like a content director. Yeah, that's within our office that's talking to us about the content.

Josh: Yeah, but I wonder, like, the the breakfast show in fucking 4 hours away. Are you speaking to them on the reg?

Tommy: No, not on the reg.

Josh: No, no.

Mason: Okay.

Tommy: Sometimes they get together down in Melbourne or wherever, a conference. But I think you— it's like anything, you find mates. It's like you're talking because you're mates, or you bring someone back onto the show. But then, you know, you do things like find locals that you can just call. So we had a list. I've still got them here on my hard drive. Like, I've got a list of people and their numbers and what they do and where they're from., and they became friends of ours. So, we'd call them and ask them to be on the show.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, then it becomes like, do you actually have a story?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Because we want you to tell us a story.

Josh: Friends of the show.

Tommy: Friends of the show. So, there's, you know, like when I say there's fake calls in radio, you're right. There's only a small percentage of a whole entire show.

Josh: You're talking maybe, I think that in when I worked in radio, it would happen once every couple of months. It was like super rare for like a drive show to need that. Uh, but, um, yeah, I mean, that Friends of the Show, it's like with Hamish and Andy, I'll have storeys and I'll tell Hamish, and then he'll say, hey, can you tell that? Can we get you on air to tell that story? And so I think that most storeys people hear are legitimate. Yeah, it's normally if they're just trying to maybe— I think where it comes around is when there's client obligations too, where a client's saying, oh, can McDonald's Mad Moment or whatever Monday where people call in about their mad moment and they're like, fuck, we need to make sure that we have mad moments every Monday for McDonald's.

Tommy: I mean, you could have thought ahead though. So this is, uh, on the defence of a radio host from a regional market. Yeah, yeah. But you don't realize, you know, we're having to put together this show with no help and they expect from us to do a phoner, you know, putting out a question for people to answer every twice an hour.

Josh: So would it be more regular, like once a show? Do you think you'd have a fake caller?

Tommy: Definitely.

D: Really?

Josh: Wow. And it makes sense.

Tommy: It's hard, but you do, man. We got some fucking awesome calls. We got a call from a woman.

Josh: Real calls?

Tommy: Real calls. Like, when did you get kicked? When did you, um, get hit in the nuts? That was the phone. And we did— it was awesome. We had all these people call. A woman called who was like, I went, um, did you— were you pregnant and didn't know? And there was someone who called through that was like 26 or 30 weeks pregnant.

Josh: Yeah, fucking crazy.

Tommy: And she didn't know. And there was multiple calls. I got a guy call through that said he ended up marrying his brother's wife, and his brother's wife married his wife.

Mason: Yep.

D: Wow.

Tommy: Oh, sorry, his brother married his wife.

Josh: Yeah, it was a switcheroo, the old switcheroo.

Tommy: Crazy, like that came through. And so like we got so much gold by putting it out there, but just super relatable stuff, um, around that. Like, when did you get kicked in the— when did you hit the nuts? That went off.

Josh: Classic FM phoner. Did you, um, there's the dump button. I'm guessing you would have that in regional.

Tommy: No, because we didn't. We didn't go live for ages, right?

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: The content director of our station said that it didn't really work, so he wanted us to pre-record everything.

Mason: And then—

Josh: what the fuck are you talking about?

Tommy: So what they actually said—

Josh: so you weren't actually doing a live show?

Tommy: Well, we didn't know. No, they were worried about maybe what you're like. They weren't worried about us talking, what we were going to say, but they're worried about other people who call in or interviews. Okay, so we went—

Josh: interviews are common, as especially pre-recorded with all of that, Especially with interviews, if you're interviewing someone, they're going to be doing the eff— like the big metro stations during those times. So, you need to pre-record them.

Tommy: Oh, I've got the pregnant and didn't know it calls. Should we listen to it?

Josh: Yeah, great. Let's play that.

Tommy: Alright, hang on. So, I'm going to—

Josh: So, this is— What year is this?

Tommy: This is the 22nd of the 10th, 2014.

Josh: Okay, great.

Tommy: And sure, is there a setup here? Hang on. So the setup, uh, I'm changing— yeah, I'm, I'm not cheating on my gym anymore. That's one of the other ones.

Josh: Classic.

Tommy: So this is just phone calls for pregnant and didn't know it.

Mason: Yep.

Tommy: Yeah, here we go. Milky Chance, Stolen Dance on Star FM. Tommy and Stace, it's a quarter past 8. We're heading for a beautiful top of 30 degrees around the valleys and An amazing storey of a Melbourne woman, 22 years of age, was travelling overseas backpacking, drinking, jumping off, you know, cliffs, doing all the things you do, only to realise that when she went to the doctor, she's 32 weeks pregnant!

D: Yes, it's bananas. And like you said, over the past few months, there's actually been more and more times of this happening, which kind of worries me, but at the same time, I get a bit skeptical, which I know I can't be because I've never had— been pregnant, but I know my own body, and I just don't know how I could possibly not know something this big.

Mason: Yeah, that's what I think.

Tommy: And we've got Amber on the line, 13, 12, 16. Amber, do you believe these stories?

Mason: No, I'm— as a mum, I don't know how personally you could get to 32 weeks. I didn't know I was pregnant until about the first 11 weeks, and being told by different friends, you know, it's normal to miss your period when you're stressed, and I had a lot of things going on at that time. But at the same time, I went to the doctor because I'm— like you say, I know you know your body, and I knew it wasn't quite right. Um, and saying that, I have had friends say they've gone to the hospital with tummy cramps and it's been labour and things, but I just—

D: yeah, you're not sure if you believe it personally.

Mason: I don't know, it's very interesting.

Tommy: I mean, it's a good point, you know your body, and that's what we're thinking, Stace. And on 13 12 16, we've also got Lindy joining us from Shepparton. Lindy, do you believe these stories?

Mason: Yes, I do.

D: Lindy, what has it happened to you, someone you know?

Mason: No, a friend, she went to the doctor She was sick, thought it was menopause, biggest girl, and she was 32 weeks.

D: Wow, menopause! So how old was she?

Mason: Um, about 40.

Tommy: So she thought it was menopause, turned out to be a bloody bun in the oven.

Mason: Children that were like 9 and 11.

Tommy: Wow, it's a bit of a surprise.

Mason: And I'd say it was a big surprise.

D: Can you imagine, Lindy? I mean, Lindy, you've got kids.

Mason: I have one daughter.

D: Can you imagine going to the hospital and not having that preparation? Like, it already is such a life-changing event when you are prepared, let alone when you know that now it's no good— goodbye to periods and no menopause. It's actually, we're starting all over again, team.

Mason: That's it. Well, my daughter was 3 pounds 10, and when I went to the hospital, they told me all I needed was a good fart.

Josh: Oh my God.

Tommy: We've also got Marie on the line. Marie, good morning. Do you believe these stories?

Mason: I do, yes. I had a girlfriend actually years ago that, um, she was on the Current Affair and everything.

D: Oh, hello, must be credible then.

Mason: And she actually just got really bad pains one day and said to the hubby, I've got to go to the hospital, you know, I'm really crook, I'm really crook. And they turned up at the hospital and she had a baby. Wow.

D: And so when she said— well, she must have thought she had like appendicitis or something, like she did.

Mason: Yeah, she was just in agony and she didn't know what was going on. And, um, yeah, went off and virtually the Doctor said you're having a baby.

D: Now, Marie, you know this woman, right? And you know yourself, and you've got kids.

Mason: Yes, I've got two children.

D: Okay, so from the outside though, and as somebody that's been through pregnancy, do you find— do you still find it hard to believe?

Mason: I think, I think probably underneath maybe they're a little bit in denial. I don't know. Yeah, she was like— she was, you know, happily married, all that sort of thing. Yeah, so it wasn't as though it was like a scary thing out of wedlock, right? Yeah, like that. But I think that she was a bigger girl, so of course she didn't have those other signs.

D: Okay.

Mason: Yep. Oh, you know what visits are saying.

D: Wow, it's fascinating.

Mason: So, you know, so because she was a fairly big girl, so she never got regular, um, things. And, um, yeah, and I think that, um, yeah, I suppose it was just hidden in there.

Tommy: It was hidden. Thanks for the call, Marie. Stop in, Stace.

Josh: You have such a different voice as well. Listening back to that, I was like, Can you do it? How do you do that voice?

Tommy: Do you know what makes— you know what makes me like that was the pressure. So I'm like, I was lying down on the carpet right then just thinking, fuck, I've got to get back up to talk. I'll just slowly get up. Yeah, whereas like you're going from one caller to the next and you have no idea what you're doing. Yeah, I was young thinking that I needed to be that way, and maybe it was just like bringing a level of energy to it.

Josh: But now it sounds like you're all smiley.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, hey, oh yeah, oh, I'm everything that I criticise radio presenters about now. That was me. Yeah, and, and I know that, I know what they're going through.

Josh: Yeah, because the squeegee storey would have never made it to where it would have, would it?

Tommy: No, no, Josh.

Josh: Okay, well, like we said, we're going to do a shorter show. It's, uh, 35 minutes, so we should wrap it up. But, uh, what's on for your weekend? What are you up to?

Tommy: Moving house.

Josh: Yeah, that'll be fun.

Tommy: And spending my cash that I made from my old borrow account.

Josh: Borrow is kind of fitty.

Tommy: Yeah, I got $100 left.

Josh: Um, yeah, good one.

Tommy: I'll let you just spend the weekend regretting that you told that story.

Josh: Do you reckon I will?

Tommy: Do you think that, like, I think you'll go through— I've already spent— so we've done 14 episodes. I've already had a lot of reflection on all the stuff I've been saying, but I feel good about talking. Yeah, it is nice. And I hope that's what you're doing. You said yesterday we want this show to be like mateship. Yeah, so like you can feel like you're just actually chatting, well, you're listening with friends.

Josh: And especially, I know when I, uh, when I started freelancing and things like that, you can be pretty lonely. And you and I hanging out is a great way of countering that. And we're sort of sharing it with other people too. So maybe you've got a bunch of fuckwits at your work that you don't like, and you're just putting your headphones on and you can just chill out and enjoy a bit of squeegee chat. I'm not letting it go now. It's fucked, isn't it? Alright. Anyway, make sure if you're using the podcast app on the iPhone, just give us a rating if you like. Just give us 5 stars. And yeah, we're—

Tommy: Spread the word, 'cause we're not.

Josh: Yeah, we're not spreading it.

Tommy: Well, don't spread the word. Just listen for yourself.

Josh: Yeah. And if you do have any feedback, send us an email to hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Really had no fucking interaction with listeners yet.

Tommy: So, we don't know who they are.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, we want to know who you are.

Josh: Yeah, but thank you. Have a good one, guys. Bye.