#749 – Pushback & Listening/
- June 3, 2020
We chat about Fordo’s gripe with the Megaphone sponsorship, the dating competition voucher, Georgie Boy’s Hump Day Replay, what we love about George, and the BLM movement
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Fordo’s Megaphone sponsorship
– TJ Daily and the origins of sayings
– Channa’s dating voucher
– What we love about George
– An injured arm, Molly & NASA
– The BLM movement
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 749. guys what's going on? How are we all? It's Hump Day replay. And Georgia boys in here?
Yeah, it's it's a bit sad. It's not the same vibe. Yeah, I know that he was in the office late last night, punching out an edit got himself a Domino's Pizza.
Good, didn't it?
It was about 17 different animals on that page. Like all vegetarians not gonna like that. Absolutely not. Before we sort of get towards the premiere Hump Day replay, got an alarming phone call this morning. Ben Fordham. I know 97 that you just sent me the live raid that I have to do because he's the timing right of the megaphone. But he no longer wants me behind the megaphone. Really. He's a man that knows what he wants. And that is for Josh Janssen to take
Can I get some sanitizer? I've got some here I I'm gonna put some sanitizer on
the light of the Jeep. Jeep of my vibe. What's that saying? The What is it? gggg didn't like my jig? Not sure I didn't Yeah,
it didn't like my my way of delivery.
Oh, I can say why but he also said you asked for cash right afterwards Rather, he takes
i mean i'm just i'm doing something for the business.
No, I appreciate that. No he texted me
you're on the site.
Well, no, I got a text message at 7:23pm last night. Hey, might I prefer you on the megaphone? Please switch back to you for tomorrow shout out Tommy need some training? And I noticed the plug wasn't in the first five minutes. Yeah, let's not make this mistake again. Deals do good boy. Doing business but yes, go
And he sent a dog on the laid off to that and I respect it. Look, I respect it.
It's fine. What was that says? Oh, we should get it in. Oh yeah I mean
cannot dad quickly
do I have to say the the script that I've been sent through slack is that created by Ben are we making that either No I've
not and I've just I've just pulled a bunch of info from what two GB have put on their site? Yeah and just sort of collided in and adjusted a little
bit. I think you can ad lib Josh I think you're you're good enough. I believe in you know, I think so. Cuz Ben doesn't believe in me. And he believes in you. So
here we go. And feeling good. pressure.
sponsor the week it's been for him he's doing he's
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That was good. That was
That was good. He was open about it. He's cost of my job. And that is that was which I was trying to go for one's general appearance or personality as in I don't like the cut of Ben's Jeep. Not using Ben Ben for them as an example here, but it's just what I've said here. In the seventh century, the shape of the Jeep sale, often identified as vessels nationality, and hence whether it was hostile or friendly. The term was being used figuratively by the early 1800s. Often to express like or dislike For someone
that would be more interesting on the megaphone. I enjoyed
that a lot. It is. I mean, how we the shift that changed like 1800s is that we're gonna use it differently. Maybe the the saying sort of ran its course based on I mean that the site itself ran its course, ran its course in terms of that ship wasn't happening and now we're just adapting to the new features like gronk
gronk. I reckon you should actually do a series like we were talking about you want to hit a month of doing t j. j daily. Yeah.
then you want to look at, you know, your options, maybe moving to three, three days away, putting a bit more effort in got more,
what would you do five now I know he may
as in allowing yourself the time to put in the effort on each one. Yes. Yeah, because it's a guy you used. You said to the tea guy one I probably the job was done after the first video
wallet because there's demand for every Tuesday. All I need is one person asking me to do. Yeah. Was it Jessica or Sarah? Someone on our Facebook? Just say around? Can you do hang on? I'll tell you can you do a? My name is Facebook, she's fucking logged me out of
someone asked me do it on Tuesday. The point being is I get what you said like I get it, Josh, the the daily project is together so much momentum. You know, you don't even know that I've just rushed past here.
That's how fast I'm going now. I think it's great. And so at the end of is at the end of this week that you're going to move. So
yeah, for four weeks is a solid amount of five per week. And we you know, work picking up on the other side with what we're doing here and some projects were activating. I think three three solid videos, writing sounds five things that we're actually doing business.
Yeah. When did you become a corporate While
I had to do a press conference about making three videos a week instead of five, I got what I needed out of it. No, but I there will be and we are activating. So it's actually all true. There is some projects that we're working on here.
Well, I was I was going to say maybe a bonus video could be a sayings video. Love it. I think that that could do very well on on YouTube. Yeah. The algorithm.
Yeah. Love it
down people searching for different and you could peek
sort of Australian.
When I said Australian, then yeah,
I feel like it's a bit of a million's all over again. Yeah,
I didn't want to bring it up.
You've done exactly what
a strike. But what about this? For so
I'm just trying to think about the format of that video. What about if then there's some undercover filming that goes on where I go out and I have to be in a shop or speaking to someone on the street where I use the same slide. So I have to incorporate it into something All around is like hidden camera may speak into mice, I will bring it into the show. Yeah,
yeah, well because also there is a big market for people wanting to learn English with an Australian accent, really. And so there are going to be a lot like we've got a lot of Russian listeners. If you are a Russian listener listener, how do you say millions out million if all of our speech impediments are going to
cross over definitely slander that's crossing over? I mean, there's heaps of words I see on youtube youtube specifically you see people sort of say I just had to look up Bogan that was this week someone do I think
I was in Discord. Are those in discord because we call us I'll get bogged down in the actual Yeah, we called him a bargain closet
bargain compliment talking about the the discord and update in regards to the $50
Oh, yeah. So we've we need to make the donations
more to the people. Don't know if they're on discord they don't know
what's happened we're not now we haven't announced any of it she really should we got shot so
so we answered Sean Sean one the Jake did a great job he came in sort of a very close second yeah but we only have 50 bucks to spend to be honest that's a stretch
but but yeah well so you we you messaged Shana in the discord and ask her what type of attitude one and she said that she would like to donate $50 to be on blue which is lovely.
And so we will definitely and extra points out accountants gonna love that
yep tax deductible well much easier to sort of write that off then not
now I mean, this is a gronk movies, making a donation anywhere and just doing better. All this is gonna be good at tax, guys. money to work every day. Every bit counts. No GST amount counts every GST purchase counts when we was knocking off your GST charge or talking to a hot accountant just the other day. And I was saying that what's the deal? What can I expect from a personal tax return? In regards to working from home? And, and COVID-19? Like what's happened? And because they've been saying, Are you going to get you know, a bunch more back and I think the probably the most I've ever gotten back is maybe 2200 bucks good, be he stories where it's like, oh, man, did you hear like dodgy john down the road got seven grand in
the amount of people that have had to give back money. Like because I fucked it, or something happened. And they just, you could easily butcher it. You can do it on the online platforms now, which is not advisable but it's really painful because then it's, you're in debt.
And so anyway, I asked how to count and I'm like, how much like just I'm curious what what could we expect And he did the numbers and that working from home thing that they're all talking about. You're looking at about 150 bucks extra on your tax return. Really? So you're gonna get 150 bucks back. Yeah. Which is like, any cash is cash. Yeah, but it's not that like I guess I sort of framed in my mind where I'm like, I'm gonna get a full grand tax return or some shit.
Well, what if he can you do like your internet and stuff?
Already can if you just use your internet home, there's a whole bunch of things he can already do. The point was, it's kind of marketers, like, everyone's out looking for the silver lining, that being worked out. 250 bucks extra.
And they're also I think that they just broke it down. So it's a lot easier now where you don't have to fill out as much stuff to get those things climbed. It is good. We should get him back on. Yeah. You call if I play a little pre hump. video.
I mean if it's more abuse from been for them to me about my technique and delivery No, I think it fits well for that before we played Georgia boys Hump Day replay. Okay,
here we go affected already. Hey guys so sorry I can't be there today. I'm actually at Bunnings and we're shooting a commercial hashtag on set. I miss you all so so much. And I hope you enjoy today's episode of Hump Day replay episode nine. It was a really fun one to make. And I'll be drinking Prosecco later. That's for sure. Love you guys. Bye.
Georgie boy is on a shoot a he works for an agency that does all the planning stuff.
So you can't be drinking at Bunnings
at 12. And so he he normally has his lunch break at our office. He has the show, but he's he's on set. I mean, last week he was drinking a margarita
at 12. Who was it? Thomas? Hi, great. Aaron. He was drunk by 1245. So he's not doing that today.
So anyway, I think it's time to play Georgia boys Hump Day re play.
Here we go.
It did Georgia.
This week. Webb back in the studio baby. You're at least two metres away.
It was a big wake of romance. What have you learned about love dating Tinder? That type of thing. I love just being able to talk to it. I mean, surance went to the phone with him.
Tommy showed us why he's missed a perfect
the day I've met Amy.
There's there is
there's not a day I haven't spoken to
show from the die. From the day from the moment I've met you, I haven't stopped. Stop thinking about you at least once a day.
And Josh had an offer
for anyone in the dating game. 50 bucks a voucher
of your choice yet to one person who can integrate the daily talk show into their Tinder grinder whatever. Bumble hinge.
I guess you could say things weren't going to plan. I tried everything. And you start telling yourself, it'll never happen for me. I came across this podcast that was offering a $50 gift voucher for anyone who could integrate the show into their conversation. I thought, well, what's the worst that can happen? So I get this message. Looking for some light hearted banter that goes deep on a variety of topics. These boys in my daily ritual, highly recommend the daily talk show. I told him I'd check it out. He told me he check it out and the deck went terribly, but I got myself an iTunes gift card. I got Lady Gaga his new album, actually not that drunk rod had an offer of his own. But this one was for Mr. 97 a heat crisis coming to Melbourne. If you were looking for a nice Airbnb, I think I might be able to help.
If you give it a shout out on the show.
What's their Instagram, beach house Blake airy,
I got jumped on and saw the price of awaken that giant
Yeah, it's not cheap though. and produce
a video Slow Mo shot of human grace running on the beach
coupled in front of fire drinking red wine. rod is making sure there's a smoothie machine. Never mind. Oh
my god, happy baby. That's ridiculous.
On Thursday. We celebrated wedberg a day. It's so light and
I love cheapies that's like chocolate mousse. How often do you get that amount of chocolate mousse? Chocolate Mousse that never give me
unfortunately for Josh, this was his last meal. Good want to finish on the
I've become the the protein guy. He sees everything that a fad diet looks like I am doing a fad diet and I'm unapologetic about it.
Good evening. Welcome to fad diet. Do you have a booking? Yeah, it's under. It's under Martin.
Jonathan Yep. Terrible for two
Yeah, your guest is already waiting right this wife Lisa. She's
perfect. This is great. Thank you. Can I get you guys protein bars to stop? Yeah, yeah, I'll have one of those. Yeah, one of those two. That'd be nice actually. Right. Well, it's actually the only thing on the menu. So
vanilla cherry for you, and Chuck the Nafisa.
There's no real joke here.
I don't actually know what the punch line is. We know that George knows comedy. Something about protein bars, Joshua's fad diet, eating at a tiny restaurant, which is actually my sound booth.
There's no punch line.
It's a comedy.
Thank you to my producer Jess for coming on the show like group
scenarios. You know how there's always like the egos involved and that type of thing. She's looking at
And thank you to the groan squad. We've got so many different platforms and we're so grateful for how engaged everyone is. Here are some of my favourite comments from this week in the discord Olivia right at school today I had friends asked if I was involved in the show. I had to explain I watch the show and I'm obsessed. Got some people talking so I'm gonna show them the GB HDR to see if they'll join the gronk squad. In the YouTube chat. Casey said discord should not be content, please. Sorry, Casey, I've just done it again. And on Instagram show back I made it clear that that was Jay Jay's finger. Not please.
That's it for me. I've been George Australia
Can you just imagine Georgie boy right now? He's at Bunnings he's very good. He's a laptop and he's doing some data wrangling. Yeah. Is he watching? Maybe he's watching. Now I'm sure he's probably thinking in the back of his mind. I wonder if the boy He's applying it. Yeah went
well he went into the spiral, which I think there's the creative process always has the stage of spiralling out of control of anxiety that it's a piece of shit.
And I loved it. George. Again. Yeah,
right nine weeks in a row. I mean,
how much do we love God boy, I love What's our favourite thing? Sam's What's your favourite thing about Georgia boy? Ah,
you know, you know it has to be it has to be cute little small. That you just love it like, it's so reassuring. Yeah, like just in that
video. What do you do? Are you having a hard time? Just eating from George's restaurant?
Is it good? He gave me the protein bar.
No bad plant. Yeah,
the the bar that I got. He like I said you can use my bars. I'm trying a different one. Today I'm trying a quest is the bar that I'm trying.
So hang on. Just an update on that because If you haven't, if you didn't get the joke about the Fed diet thing, Josh declared that he's actually only eating protein bars. Nothing else.
I didn't say yeah, I found the protein guy.
No, I'm pretty sure you said you're literally only eating protein bars Did he? Because you said you're gonna skip breakfast and then I was like might have a meal have some kind of real food at night?
Yeah, it was sort of implied as I you don't want to say something.
Am I wrong? Is it uh,
you know, so I'm what paintings cheating. No, I I did have this morning. I have to the normal Mexican dish I made because it's massive cogs in the whole black beans. So I'm having like eggs and beans. And I had a lentil soup last night because I was feeling a little bit like
Yeah, I was like, beat Yeah, yeah,
just a little bit like, well, what am I gonna eat today? Yeah, it's like what like, What's it? Yeah, it goes a quest
that goes into question. I legit thought that's all you're waiting. I was concerned. But I was like, you know, it's I can't you know if that's what he wants to do
I'm not gonna stop you know now I'm starting I just wanted to dial it all the way back and then part of it was not having to do Uber Eats and things like that so not buying from places Okay, I'm
good I'm glad I've got the clarification
yeah not just doing but it was day one was just protein face
fit you can you can
survive for probably a month before you really start having some kind of deficiency one thing I love about George's he he definitely doesn't body's fingernails he's got really sort of luscious nails if you notice that about him I you know, he knows that notice that Yeah, like you wouldn't want to get scratched by George now. He's got grey fingernails right figuring out
like I got toe shamed last night ah toe shamed
who by Where are you miss? Oh,
yeah, yeah, Bri and also because I played Monopoly, with servers and grades. We haven't gotten that since. Going back
a lot harder doing that sort of thing. Like after like Fucking exhausted now like it was so easy going from just wearing tracksuit pants all day to just like dying to get like walking like five steps and going to the couch but the the process of like our iPad wasn't charged all that stuff like just nothing was a Zoom Zoom was on absolute zooms up updated
for when were they doing encryption beforehand? They said they it's a different I think it's sort of like that more into end.
Yeah, it's a bit more and so they were doing because zoom we were able to use our like professional cameras in zoom. Yeah, they've stopped that feature and it's force update.
Oh, dog can't join cause dogs.
So we're gonna look like dog shit on Friday night drinks. I haven't updated could it now you can even make calls now unless you
work it out. So what do I love about Georgia boy
I should have had a proper prepared answer.
You asked the question or something when I turned
Well, you mentioned you mentioned it last night. What did why yesterday on the show even his temperament? Yeah, definitely
that he's just not like, I don't think there'll be any time where I'm like, not happy that he's around like you. And that's a if you the fact that he can be in a room and make everyone feel good.
That's a pretty amazing trait. Yeah, no complaining really from him.
Yeah, appreciate that. And when it is, it's always like, funny. stuff.
Funny, and he knows comedy. So a couple of things. I've had some some like serious shoulder problem. And I've been trying to work out what it's from. It's one of those interesting injuries where you're like, I don't know where it came from. There's a few things it could be I was playing this guy with Bodhi where I would put on Spider Man the soundtrack and like, lift him and he'd do Santa. blocky Spider Man I'm jumping up onto ledges and then back down. A lot of sort of like, you know, front raises which can affect the shoulder. But then I today was shooting one of my TJ daily videos and I had the selfie stick the you know the vlogger set up with the DSLR in one hand and you know camera out it's probably about a kilo and a half two kilos.
Do you remember in Indonesia what they call a selfie stick? What is it translation? What is a narcissist
size narcissistic because it's like thick and durable.
It's one that looks like one of the
biggest narcissists out there.
It's like the beaded one. Yeah.
Yeah, it could be a sex toy. Or it could be a camera. A camera could be camera gear. Anyway, I was holding it up. I was like fuck that is like it's only been in the last month. I may have a I have a vlogging injury.
No good now well, not gonna it's almost like I'm what is it like a cop? tunnel or something like that from typing pathetic? Really, they're all pathetic injuries. Like this is pathetic. My shoulder being sore pathetic Well, I didn't see a Facebook post last night where it was like um when you're a kid you get injured from like falling off your by Gore, you know, falling over that type of thing when you're older. It's like your own funny when you sleep on the wrong size sneeze down your back.
It is pathetic. Isn't it?
really pathetic once I was riding my bike as a kid, thought was such a good idea had my head down on the bar and I was riding, not looking. And I was like, this is kind of cool. I reckon I could do this for a while to dry road into a car. The car wasn't coming, but I wrote into a parked car.
I've done that before.
You have Yeah, as stupid as me. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't care. I can't remember why but I think the car was reversing on its way and all went smashed right into the side, man. Then I remember pacing myself. Afterwards, like I would have been would have been like funny
happened. This dude. He just I mean,
yeah, it was it was I think is a stress pissed like he just it wasn't like bleeding from the Yahya
Nana which is serious. I don't know I was I was fine I just I just it just scared the piss out of you.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
My brother um
our dog Molly when she was alive she was a
cocker spaniel. haven't heard much about Molly
Yeah, I feel like I'm
Oliva or can you?
What did you do? cumali I didn't kill Molly, but I feel like I wish I had my time again with your mouth. Yeah, no, I wasn't that. I wasn't very engaged. With Molly I didn't do. I just remember.
This is like the first time I heard about you had an older brother. Because I did like, to be fair, he leaves in the States. I hadn't heard much of him. This was early. That sounds like Yeah, six months into a friendship. And then I hear about you've got this brother. This dog dog. Yeah, this is three, four years into our friendship. You haven't heard about Molly. I reckon we should look through transcripts of the show to find out if you've ever mentioned Molly.
Molly. Feel like Molly will come up from Queensland. That's right. But maybe
so I did.
Hi. Do you want your time over with Molly?
Well, I just feel like I wasn't a good
I just didn't feed it like ma'am did everything. Yeah. The the the wet food made me gag. I think that if I was to have Molly again. I would. It should be a dried, dry food only dog.
Yeah. Okay. So if I just want to guide you sort of love for Molly on a scale. Mm hmm. dole left open. Molly runs away for two weeks. Do you care do you notice?
Well, yeah, so the reason I was bringing up Molly was because she ran out of the juice. Nice. It's nice. It's fun, healthy. I didn't want to spray all over the mic. No, I appreciate it. Thank you. Now Molly ran out of the backyard. And so my brother James got on the bike and was riding fast down the hill in the court. Looking for Molly. Yeah. And there was a parked truck. Oh, and he rode straight into the back of the park truck. But I remember we were young enough that he cut open his ball sack. And I remember like, I'm like, I love this. Like mom was around, look it up. But we were like, We were all kids. And so like, Hey, sorry,
we had you ride your bike and get your ball sack. So
he imagined. You ride into it and then you move forward and you sit the front of the bike.
Like I remember sort of pinching my idea you'd hit the seat or you sort of Gooch would get a bit affected from sort of a bit affected not in fact, some You you sort of bomb onto the seat or on the bar but cutting your balls that's another thing so you sort of do the sort of pull them out or
Yeah, I just remember being in the bathroom and more like just all gathered around like looking at
it like no good I last night I spent a bit of time watching which happened a couple of days ago the it space, space station, International Space Station, the arrival of Bob and the other guy who is the first commercial flight to NASA, so SpaceX and NASA sorry, first, what
on the NASA NASA thing yesterday just said there's a colouring competition and the winner, the kid gets to go to NASA. And I was like blown away because in my head I thought about the International Space Station. You can't do a colouring in competition and you go to antennas.
It was good to go to Florida to
yet which is still a great prize. That's fucking ridiculous
prizes these guys. Sorry, but one of them Bob and Doug, Bob and Doug I think Bob might be as Bob, as they cruising inside they dock into the International Space Station, open up the doors. They come through floating flying. And I think Bob hit his head because I can you look this up because all it has is Bob with a tissue in his hand. And I saw it I thought I saw him hit. But then he kind of just like played it cool because you're in front of the world watching on a live feed. And then he keeps on like bringing a tissue up to the east forehead and bring it down. And I was like maybe sweat. But then why wasn't the other guy doing and then he kept bringing it up to this one spot, wiping it, bringing it down, or I can bulb Hades head or dog which one whichever one of them you should have bobbed
Good one. Anything is there any any word of that? I'm just scrolling through the
page. You have to watch it you can just look at I'm sure some other gronk if I'm if I I was able to say it Here we go. Okay.
So you got something. Yeah, you gotta talk
and whatnot. I'm just watching. I can pull it up.
It's all good. I wonder if there's brand integrations with with
well, they saying that this is potentially paving the way for just gronk going up to space.
But I wonder, like, I wonder if
I could find I found it
for a second, Bob. This is there's a YouTube video, Douglas, Douglas G. Hurley hitting his head while entering International Space Station, like that is on the world scale.
world stage and you do that? No one ever saw hit. You can see him afterwards. Oh, dude. Like,
I do wonder about like, I'm Domino's. wonder if I could pay a million bucks and get a pizza sent to like, do a delivery or something like that.
You know, there's a whole crowdfunded campaign that was meant to send porn stars into space for the first really space porn. Yeah, sex and space. First time. How much should it right? Ah, they had to keep that bin because they didn't get enough. Did you get your money back now?
I wanted to talk about the, the Black Lives Matter The, the, what is called Black Hat comes down black hat Tuesday
where everyone was posting a black slice on their social media feeds.
Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, I feel like the amount of conversation that comes around, like when you're doing it, like the thought process. For me, the thought process is it's like, okay, I want to say something. I want to be supportive. I want to say the right thing, all these different things. How did you like what's your thought process with these types of things?
Um, I think it's changed over the years not specifically to this matter, but things where there is a move meant on social media, whether it be LGBT, you know, changing your profile picture or some kind of day that celebrated or, you know, made to bring awareness. And, you know, many years ago, I would have been like pushback isn't to the cause the pushback is to everyone doing it because they feel like they have
to performative. What can I say? Yeah, exactly.
And so, for me, for this one, I posted, I did it. And I've been curious to understand more, and I understood like the behind the black slide on social media is to take time out to educate about these issues. And so I definitely have been doing that over the last couple of days just listening to people who are much more intelligent than me that are a minority themselves that you know, share, sort of perspectives that I can't fathom, you know, you watch these riots and you get really uncomfortable. And I think the change in me is feeling like that uncomfortable thing inside me is, is why this needs to be done is why these movements happen because it's like, what am I feeling uncomfortable about? are not the minority here. And so then I like in question my internal feeling and the and the uncomfortable nature is seeing something horribly horrible happening. And then I just my perspective has been this week. The feeling I have, does not even come close to what minority groups in the uncomfortable lives they've been living based on. Horrible shit that's happened. Yeah. And so that's where I'm like,
I can't like
I have nothing to say other than I feel I feel something and I want to do my part. And I, you know, I'm open to being told that I'm doing something wrong with you. That has to be the way but like, I mean, I have a conversation where she was listening to me talk about on Monday, I think, or over the weekend, there was something referencing sort of what was going on overseas. And she she's like, I couldn't listen, because I was worried that you'd say something wrong. And that's like, that's a fair point. Because there's a fair chance I say something that doesn't sit well. Yeah. But I think at that point, you can't go silent. You have to you have to be okay with being called out beings, you know, told that that is not that is not right. Or, you know, or having the having the courage because I don't think it's that courageous to use your voice in some way to help something. It's like, you just have to do it. Yeah. And so yeah, it's a hard one to tackle. But then that's the privilege at that point where I'm like, it's hard for me to you know, like, absolutely not. So this one, I just keep coming back to my uncomfortable Feeling, you know, does not Trump or, you know, uh, you know, compete with anybody who is felt uncomfortable because they're a minority? Yeah.
I think that also, if you think about my personality, it's like the pushback, right? I think like a lot of people out there push back to anything that, you know, any sort of thing where people are just running to do it without necessarily educating themselves. And so I think that the pushback maybe that people go to is it's like, Okay, this is performative weakness, or you're just, you're just doing it to for your own sort of points or whatever it is in the world. And so, for me, it's around saying, Okay, well, like what are you reading? What are you consuming? What's the, like, you see people reaching out or I'm writing and saying, you know, like, talking numbers and saying our websites The lowest here we've ever been like we're making progress. Like, to me, that feels a bit tone deaf, when really, we need to just be listening at this point. And so for me, I feel like in the uncomfortable nature of it, it has been switching from just consuming news to actually reading and listening to literature like using audible or whatever stuff that's being written two, three years ago when all of this sort of stuff I got was a white fragility I think it's cold. But just like, I wonder how many people that are pushing back on these things have actually read and listened to what's being said. And how much of it is just echo chamber like I know everyone's doing it. I don't want to, you know, be part of this crowd. I think that the other point is that we have to realise that we have been part of the problem. So, you know, someone had commented on like, on my personal one, it was like, on my personal account, you know, your talk show with four white guys. And, like, I understand that and I think that part of that's part of the reflecting bit that we need to do, which is like, we need to back it up with saying, Okay, what, what, what things are we doing to make sure that we have, you know, representatives from, you know, all the different sort of parts of the world? I think from like, we've done that, and had those conversations with women on the show and we still haven't done a great job with that. Part of it. I also think is like when you're flying, we're just like running along, trying to do this, you know, podcast, and I think that the privilege comes out more, because you say that from a default, it's like, oh, like out a lot of our friends, our wives like we don't have really that diverse, a friendship group in some ways. And so I remember seeing someone comment, saying, hey, it'd be great if you had more women on your podcast. And I took that in a really positive way in regards to this person thinks that we have a part to play in this whereas I think that probably before I thought that we were such a small pace, and not mainstream media, not so thing that like, it seemed like such a luxury to be doing that. And that's like such a privileged thing to say. And so I think like, for me, it's I understand the performative whiteness element or the just doing a tile and then thinking that you've done your bit better for our end. constantly communicating and thinking, Okay, how do we become better and getting other voices on the show?
That I mean, it's being mindful of what is the visceral response internally. So it is like, you know, you could be annoyed at people pointing out things, which I have been annoyed in the past. But I feel like you've got to be open and, and willing to understand and learn. And so I mean, that's, what more can we do? Like and I understand I, for somebody who is the minority pointing out about things like us and other podcasts that are white guys, you know, that aren't doing their bit according, you know, to them and probably rightfully so in some areas. It's like, how do you take like, the pain is obviously at a point where they need to say something like that. And so, I my, what I can do is I This can work on how I respond and how I feel about things and then how I act after that. And so that's all I've got at this point for me is to like, how am I responding? What can I control? And I think that part of it is things like tokenism that you want to try and avoid. But I think that I think we can hide behind tokenism as a way of not going deeper or trying to explore those types of things. Trevor Noah, he did this great pace. I mean, he's just at home at the moment just on his phone just talking. Like, that is something worth listening. I mentioned killer, Mike. Watch him, Trevor Noah. There's a bunch of other people that are just, you know, educating people from a perspective that isn't their own. That isn't definitely mine and a lot of my friends,
but I also think that the like getting bogged down in specific numbers or trying to pull things apart or trying to sort of
do things that aren't moving towards progress. Like I think that that, like, if you're doing that if you're pushing back on these types of things, why? Like Yeah,
and I think it's like, they may be a valid reason or they may be absolutely fucking no reason you're outrageous, but it's worth
actually stopping and asking why even if there are the even if there are small things where it's like, oh, there's been improvements here or there's like that, like the word improvements like all like it's it's such a
weird area that I just feel like well as the why, though is beyond any of the specifics. It's like, Why are you pushing back? work that out doesn't mean I'm not looking at the result of that. It's like that is a version of progress for people to fucking look at themselves and ask why. Why am I uncomfortable? Why Am I pushing back? Why am I trying to bring numbers to the, you know, to sort of push down the other side of the argument, not to say anything is right or wrong. It's like there's a point before that that is probably quite positive in observing and doing that self observation.
And I think that the biggest the most confronting thing for me has been around the, you know, if you are silent, you are complicit in this whole thing. Because I think that part of it's funny because I feel like there's been an evolution because I feel like the early days, we couldn't say, privileged without thinking that we're going to piss off a bunch like I'm comfortable with talking about privilege talking about our own privilege, like if that if you find privilege offensive, then that's probably your own, like that. That in itself is, is the privilege that you're working with. But I think the the bit that's been confronting is realising that I there is that part of me which is like our I could like not say anything right now, I could just like not do anything on so like absolutely nothing on social media, we could not talk about it on the show, we could just be completely sort of in a bubble and not reference it all. The thing is, and this is thanks to the movement. You don't want Instagram this morning. Like that's what you can shoot like we are consuming this stuff all of the time. And so, for me, it's being saying Okay, let's just play like what do I do? Where is that? Like what what is the impact of that I think that I can make and for me, I don't know much about anything. Like I know some stuff about some tech shit I don't understand a lot of things. But if we can bring the consumption of the content to and that's why even like moving to things Like the agent, like just trying to get different perspectives and picking up books that are like completely, that could potentially completely tear apart your own identity. It feels like the thing that we can do right now.
Do you think you get better at being open to change? And so say you read a book and it completely shifts your perspective or like I think I've in the past push back on that stuff more so and I feel like it's from observe observing myself. It's like bringing stats or like now but it may not now but you can look at the specifics is like it's actually just pulling away from the bigger point and so do you think you'd get better at becoming okay with shifting, being one over here and not so rock solid in your thinking, and it's like, I can I'm malleable because malleable means I can shift from something that wasn't helpful to something It is helpful.
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like part of it too,
is that we're never going to completely understand like, I think that there is that risk in trying to be like, I question my own reasons behind it. Like, are you just reading this? So that when you're in a conversation with someone, you know, all the words to say and how you can and for me it's
it's, it's more about
Yeah, I don't know. Like, it's not about talking more. It's not about saying like, like, I think there's a lot of lecturing going on, which from a pushback perspective, I think a lot of people are like, Fuck you, like, just because I'm not saying anything here doesn't mean that I'm a I'm a racist. But I think that if we take that on, if I like, that's, that's a perspective. I don't think I am But what what can I do to better understand, and maybe if they've read these things, which is leading them to this, maybe I need to read what they've read, to come to some better understanding. I think about, like, what we were what we learned of, you know, Australian history and things like that, like this huge chuckle growing up. Yeah. But it's not really gas elective, but it's, like completely like focused on a specific narrative, which, in 2020, being a bit older and being out have a bidding, having a critical eye and ear on these things. It's like, like, we also need to reflect on that it's like, okay, in our humanities, if we're learning about James Koch and all that, so shit, like, what did we learn about Aboriginals? What do we actually know? And so I think that the one I have Hope and what I'm trying what I wanted to just like anything just like a fucking. It's so connected to guilt like you think about all the stuff I talked about with food and all that sort of thing yesterday, it's a similar thing which is like you, you want to try and make these things permanent, like you're trying to set up things. So it's like, like, this isn't just something that we're going to do for a week. It's like, invasion day, all these things like, you know, you sort of haven't have the moat. It's a moment. You know, it happens and then we sort of move on. But like, how do you actually move the needle so that we are actually doing better?
I mean, there is some high profile people in Australia saying some fucking crazy shit online, Pete Evans being one of them. Geez. And, and, but what I appreciate about what Pete Evans has said, Not that I agree with anything he said, is that it is a moment to think and go wow, like you've either missed the point. Hear, or you've lost the plot all these things right. And so
what's more than I think that thinking that the problem with thinking is thinking is based on whatever we know, to be true now. And so if all you do is think, without changing the echo chamber that you're in, your thinking is still flawed. And so that's why I think the listening bit is the important bit which is like, don't just watch Sky News or Fox News or, you know, base the, the knowledge that you have on the prejudice that you were taught when you were younger. Like that's, I think the the big bit so it's, it's the, the critical. I feel like there's very little to lose to be critical of your own thoughts, structure and identity in this time, rather than trying to justify the position that you're in. Yeah. So that like, I think that part like the thing is that that means that we can't have this conversation without saying, we need to do heaps in the way of diversity and all those types of things on the show. And I think that we will, we are working out processes and things to make it just part of it like it really what it's what we're talking about here is it's like, Okay, if we go into our contact list 90% of them are white people. And so if 90% of your contact lists, white people, then you've got a pool of 10% that you're pulling from and so just based on what's naturally happening, the other thing is meat. Think about mainstream media, think about the people that we've had on the show like we are a media slash entertainment, skewed show where we have comedians we have people who are on radio on TV, and Unfortunately, based on that the pipeline that we're working with, has all of those systems and so that's why I think that we, we need to do a bunch of work in manoeuvring and just even from, not even from an ethical perspective, but also just from an interest factor. I think that like to have entertaining conversations, it's way more entertaining. If it's not just all of us agreeing. And we have interesting people who have had different experiences to us.
Yeah, yeah. 100% I mean, it's, it's why I don't mind reading the bullshit that is online because it's, it is a it's it is understanding other versions. You have to be I'm listening to that stuff, which is what you say.
I think like that.
I think there is something divisive about getting all of your content from social media like I think that like so putting paid Evans in The same boat as people who have spent their lifetime oppressed or trying to trying to make change. I think that that's part of the danger, too. And so that's where I'm like, actually, I need fucking books I need where there's been some sort of editorial on this, where an expert has gone in. And the other thing too is then we can look at media from the critical eye and say, Okay, this is what's happening now. This is what was being said, you know, in the book that I'm reading now 2018 then we can it's a lot easier to see the similarities or see the messages without the fog of politics, and all of the other bullshit that goes on.
I mean, lots of comments happening in YouTube, but we're not allowed to bring them in. A lot to bring.
We will never we I think if you have any thoughts on how we can Do this, you know, sort of be a positive change in all of this? how can how can we, as a show, be from a process perspective, from a network perspective, how we can develop? Send us an email, either daily talk show.com because I think that that's part of it too, which is like, there's a lot of people who have been spending a lot of time in this space.
just as trying to do it all without reaching out i think is probably a missed opportunity. z feed, follow that follow
crystals, smashing bang, smashing it with all the content, there's some
good, good things to understand from that page, good lessons to learn. So give crystal a follow.
What's the follow it like it, I think that the following is such an important part. Like the just say, just having that on your face. And having it and just like that is such it like what do we have? What do we have in the world in regards to change that we can make?
I mean, how much do we curate our feeds for comfort and comfort on a personal level not being challenged politically or personally and so yeah, like you saying the bubble is the effect of the echo chamber worrying is, is what we become and so that is a good point of following people that you don't agree with people that have different perspectives to you or has gone have gone through things you haven't. So you need to do like I do follow a few but you're definitely right.
Just because I just realised like I just look at just look at it like it definitely on that point around the comfort. Where do you go for comfort? And it's so unfortunate that it's like the the privileging man, this is also negative, like you know, like is this you This product like is this negativity is it productive? And so then you go to if I can watch Yeah, friends, or you watch fucking you know you watch Jerry
Seinfeld. Jerry Seinfeld
is not the bad guy.
Yeah, but he's the show was called Seinfeld real ryoga
but to drain Josh Janssen, yeah. Hey Vasia the telly shot,
but I think
yeah, that's the
the push. I think the big thing is the pushback is like, that's what this is. And the other thing too is the thing with everyone who's listening who has that same pushback. They're like,
Fuck off, Josh.
Because that's the instinct is to push back. I'm communicating this from my own perspective in regard to what I need to be doing and push back King is JK. And so the thing is, you look at the end so it I understand. I understand the reflex that can can happen, where it's like when you went on the privilege, the system, all of that sort of stuff is having a spotlight on it or is being reveal. And so I think like you look at what happened yesterday and you look at the, you know, blackout Tuesday, it got a bunch of criticism based on pushing down the Black Lives Matter hashtag. And so if you're using that hashtag, basically, it was sort of censoring all of that. Yeah. But I think that overall, if it's caused these types of conversations, if it if it forces businesses, to have conversations with their executive team, and their social media team and say, Okay, if we're going to do if we're an organisation, and we're going to put up a black tile, what is what are we doing? How are we complicit in all of this? What What is our diversity programme look like? So I think that even though it seems tokenistic, I think that the conversations that we're having, if we're if it's, I think was a much bigger deal than what some people are saying, based on. When you make that decision when you're saying now I'm not going to be quiet, I'm gonna do something from a business perspective from a personal perspective. That's it then on you to actually see it through and make the change.
I don't have the microphone megaphone anymore, but I bet it's been confiscated from me.
And I don't want Ben for him to be upset. Because he has. We're doing fabulous writing. Here
we go. It's a fit to take us out before we hit off for the day.
Taking the time to be aligned with it. I feel like you guys too high energy that yet you started high. So what I'll do is as part of the sponsorship as a naming rights, anytime we have an announcement, we say the sponsor fast and Forum has a 5:30am Tj bang constrain, I would also suggest that this isn't coming from me as a piece of advice, but advice for myself. Maybe go out, read some stuff, maybe go get a book, following some people of colour, all of that stuff. And let's try and have a positive impact on this world. Thank you. Well done. That's great. Thanks, everyone.
Thank you Georgie boy.
Enjoy. Bunnings JB we'll see you tomorrow everyone And please, yeah, send us your emails. Hi. The Daily talk show calm. If you do have any thoughts on how we can move the needle and be a positive part of all this change. Take us