#141 – Talking hip hop with Josh/
- July 31, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Tuesday July 31 (Ep 141) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Watching YouTubers on a big screen TV, personalities changing mediums, Josh is starting to deep-dive into hip hop and a couple of podcast recommendations!
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket. It's
a daily Talk Show Episode 141 Tommy jacket. Feeling good back at it that that's great. You're in your in your office. Yeah
unbelievable. Like this time yesterday I was absolutely fucking nowhere and today I'm just killing it
just back as you did you listen back to to hear what you sounded like vomiting now
I listened back to the audio that I sent you so I could only hear one side of it so I
listened to it and I was very surprised I I don't know what you put in what you put in the final edit. But I but I am listen to the bit where I ran to the toilet. And yeah, it was very graphic. Well the funny thing was, I got poor, it's good having break here is sort of a producer for me because I was editing the show. And I brought up the volume. So it was like a call to our normal like the vocal volume of UVA money and brace is too much to put it to how it was. And so what people were here we're hearing wasn't sort of and sort of processed sound of you vomiting, I didn't increase it, or an okay, idea. I
thought you were gonna cut it out. But that's right.
I appreciate that we did that the rule of the show was we do this without editing. So if you're listening for the first time, this is very much unfiltered. And
but I have been also led I also lead with the on the title with our first on air vomit. Which is funny because I I've been doing some back end work of some potential guests that will be getting in the US, which I'm very excited about
later in the year. And the it's annoying when they respond back and start interacting. Say, Hey, like, Oh, yeah. What's the data? And the first thing they're going to say? Yeah. First on, they're gonna think where this super wacky. Joe you know,
God. But we got a message from Russkies he said Get well soon Tommy so that'd be it for me live you dedication always be contacting he said solid eBay say I went on chagrin I very say layer sugar and he and he just pulled us up so we closing the loop that we didn't even know we open this loop but he said PS mystic to me is the removal of a breast and that's what the word I thought that I said but he said the sick dummies the procedure for male sterilization and met the word I actually said instead of mystic dummy
mess one over the semi to me is but I feel like in the moment
I don't think we need to justify we fucked up we found you guys yeah you feel a bit silly
whoever came out with those because night they very close yeah
I guess me means the removal of something all right. I don't open this even
I cannot just be a word of the day because I haven't done any research one of the day with people you've got to say yeah
so I didn't tell you I want to talk about this yesterday over the weekend Oh into Jules is hostels LAN nie he messaged me on the Friday he said might satellite I'm gonna have a binge YouTube watch watch some Casey Neistat bunch of others you want to come over cutie and I think to this day inviting me for a little cute little binge watch know the equivalent of saying hey Deanna camp I'm going to read the newspaper
just kept will share page really it's pretty cute and random it's a way to that's you an audio not dropping jewels and I
bet now he'd never really watched Casey stuffy nose who Casey is and if you don't know Casey is a big YouTuber live in New York got nearly 10 million subs he's a
filmmaker that was a Mac sorry sorry guys take a Mac getting in the show it's been a while since I've mentioned a man yeah
he's just smashing through he always messages while we're doing the show and now he's asking how many listeners listeners Do you have now on the podcast fat off might
look at the Yeah, Instagram story. It was Jeff is insane stories. By the time this comes out, it'll probably be expired.
whenever Joseph has some, we're watching these YouTube videos. And I was on big LCD screen. And so you know, it's not like you're watching them through your phone and stuff. So there's already like, you know, the quality you've and I have never really experienced this. Because you've always been watching YouTube on YouTube High Definition televisions, so see different experiences at ease. Yeah, but you know, I'm a big fan of Casey, and a bunch of other filmmakers on YouTube. But in this moment, I had this realization, whereas like, it's his stuff isn't that impressive. And I'm loving stuff. But what I mean by that is in the setting of sitting down to have a purpose, what purpose viewing of YouTube content that someone has never seen. And he's heard how impressive they are. It didn't feel like it was impressive at all. But what I what I realized was, and I don't mean is in, he can't tell a story can't use a camera. I just mean
what I kind of worked it out to be was, and I had this like, Penny drop moment. And it was like, the, the narrative over the long term of someone's channel. And the bind you get with the juul money from, you know, a few subscribers through to 10 million subscribers is so so what adds to the value of a and the greatness of their content. And so like, I kind of lift on this guy wasn't as good as what I thought in my head. But what I brought to acid case is a
classic case of having a, it's like you're bringing a mate to your favorite bands concert. And there's that you're wearing all of that sort of expectation, you want them to enjoy it, but then also your viewing, it's like you're viewing them on a difference in a different setting. So it's my favorite band being at the AFL Grand Final? Yeah. And so it's like, it's a completely different setting. So did you notice the quality was different as well? Or was it mainly just the buying that people get from watching a lot versus just a single app? Yeah,
I think the quality it's, it stands on itself. It's a bit it's not TV quality, in terms of the production value, but I think this it stands on its own. But I think it's definitely just like, what, what I really was thinking about was that long narrative that you're creating, versus each individual video and how amazing that for each individual video. So it's like for what we do, it's like, these long term thing that we're creating, where people jump on board, and they support us, and, you know, pat me on my back when I'm vomiting. And but, but if you're just listening to a standalone or watching one video, and you have no idea of anything, it's like you don't need last not if you're a bit lost. And not every piece of video needs to be this kind of, you know, you're not explaining everything that's going on. So it's like you're creating a rid of this by in fact that Yeah, okay. What's he talks in there? The equivalent equivalent of
jewels, never saying a Pixar film and then being like, okay, we're gonna watch Toy Story three. Yeah, it doesn't have the bond, he doesn't have the buy in to Woody, he doesn't get the importance of all this shit, right?
Yeah, yeah. And so yeah, that's, that's true. And we were talking about like, I think it's, like, probably ingrained in us to when you sit down to watch a TV. So like a big TV, your, you get this experience, and you have a life of seeing a movie or a TV show something really highly produced, I think it changes the factor. So maybe that played into the thought of, maybe this isn't as good as I thought, because usually you consuming this content, like small screens on your phone. I mean, what does it mean to be good? Yeah, yeah. And I guess in I think it's, I think it's the thing that I felt that was missing in that for jewels, and that was that over time factor,
I think that contributes to be in good, it's not just each individual video that you're putting it out, because some of the man it's the characters that are developing myki, I think about even people will watch video always on YouTube, or on Twitch of people just playing video games. And so you got to think about, like, what is the interest factor there. And I think that it still plays into a lot of the things that happens in film and television. But on an even greater level, which is this you're getting, it's almost just hours of spending time with them. And understanding the characters and understanding this person hates this thing within the game. And when it comes, it's going to be a great reaction. I showed him some Will Smith's of logs. And, and it was the same thing as that fact may go to jail with with a lovely stuff. And then I was like, actually, but but I still love them. And I don't think they're bad, but it's like, I definitely sell you definitely sell retrospectively in something harder than what it actually is. But I think it's okay. But when we spoke about something for someone, like Will Smith and
I'll saying how cool it is that these, these celebrity is, like such, you know, such an Uber celebrity, and he's now doing YouTube content, which like is he and juul said, the comparison was like when
Kiefer Sutherland who was an actor went to TV show we needed 24. And that was like a massive step for because movie stars weren't doing TV shows. And then he was one of the first to go from the movie to the TV show. And like people were criticizing him as you know, as it was happening. But luckily, it was super successful for him. And then you see all these trends
enable to I haven't been able to connect with the Will Smith stuff thinking about it. I thought that it's just to like, maybe this there's an unreliability to him when you sort of get the sense of it's a fish out of water story in some regards. Words like he's you know, even seeing him go and see Casey and what so thing is it just feels when people what I find interesting is you move someone from a different to a different context even like what you're experiencing, which is like saying something on a TV screen with a friend versus watching something on the mobile phone what you're willing to deal with his is completely it's completely different to like the Will Smith stuff. Yeah,
it's okay. It's I love Will Smith. So if I'm a big fan of him, and I just love how out there he is. And has to end how famous is I love that sort of narrative of this guy grew up watching on TV in the massive movies. And then I was watching one the other night
called focus that he was in and shout out to rob Taylor might Robbie Taylor from I'm from Sheriff long Meyer he's in that film with Will Smith places really outrageous Australian guy, you sways a lot. It's hilarious. He's in it. But yeah, so just seeing the guy who he grew up with his massive movie star then doing this stuff, he seems more accessible. But they're all talking about, like, people who move to Hollywood. Imagine all the people that moved all over the Hollywood wouldn't touch, like their own, you know, YouTube content or, you know, create, try to create some sort of profile online as a personality, when they're trying to, you know, become a movie star. They're trying to position themselves in this higher echelon. And now it's like, I think these guys Will Smith is giving people permission, who are wanting to get into the space of doing what he does to then just build a brand through their own YouTube content as well. That so it's, it's not like,
and it doesn't, and you've got to accept the fact that doesn't always translate. I think it's probably a bunch of people who are even maybe authors have written books, you would think they've got like a great sort of tone of voice and their style, and then the messages are great. And then I even felt that a little bit with it was adjustment, may watching the master class with Malcolm Gladwell. Yeah, because you've got someone who's like quite, you know, super articulate in his writing, you know, with
the tipping point. And outliers, he wrote those books, David and Goliath, and then you see him in video, and you forget that
the people who write books can be these odd, quirky characters who are like, like that,
sort of like, he was like, at first I was like, oh, man, he so nervous. And then before you know it, unlike into it, and I'm like, I understand and what it was was, he's voice what I was expecting him to be. And I guess even listening to him on the audio book form where you have written material versus improvisational talking to a point, he's a completely different craft. So you saying how he's thinking, actually, he's because he's having to just say, was mine. So he's fully was he was dashing, and in some regards, like, you look at outliers, and all these books. And what he's doing is he's taking stories from all different parts of the world. And he brings it together, and he shows similarities and create stories around it. And if you think about it, that pretty sort of sometimes crazy connections, they sort of really far apart. And so it's really creative, to be able to find those connections. But if you think about it, within the moment was a big difference between doing that with an editor and having time this is actually having a mind that's going to do that, where he's just got all of these sort of parallel stories is jumping. Jumping on huh?
Yeah, it's a I don't know what's gonna happen with this stuff. I'd love to say Tom Cruise start blogging
some unusual celebrity. So at attainable and then all this like how many interviews is Tom Cruise do if they're not for a movie around us? specific topic? He's doing fine. I think go
to even it wouldn't serve Tom Cruise. Like what? Tom Cruise ease ease. Like, I don't think that he's in the game of humanizing himself. He's in the game of playing characters. I don't even think we know I don't. I haven't. I've never seen sort of Tom Cruise as Tom Cruise have always saying Tom Cruise's like he's playing a character. And he's even playing a character of himself when he's on Oprah. or any of those other shows. Yeah, I have. I've actually been I've been getting into
Scientologists last night. I told you.
I know, I I started I went on to the YouTube sort of most viewed also trending pages. Yeah, and I've gone down the rabbit hole of hip hop culture. I was like, you know, like, there was a part of me, which is like, I think about where I get my inspiration, inspiration from what I listened to, and it can be a little, little bit
one dimensional white dude, you know, talking type of things. I'm trying to consume different types of content with different cultures. And I've been I was watching an interview last night, it was awesome. I don't know if you know this guy. You know, a guy named to Kashi, six nine.
Dude be Mac just lost it. He fell off his chair at the lack of pop culture knowledge that you have in that fucking huge, heavy
dude. I've been obsessed with the Kashi for ages. He's crying, isn't it? He saw me from I like when when he calls himself the king in New York. And he is absolutely what ever the opposite of what you think he poppies, he's it. He's this dude who isn't even black on the I. He's Latino. So he's like hand but he uses the N word like no tomorrow. And he's got the number six, nine. That's his rap name to cash receipts, and I tattooed over his body hundreds of times. He's got face tats. He's got flu row hair. He looks like a multicolored Yeah.
What's that my pony? My Little Pony those things that you hadn't in school? Or is a cross between the my my little pony and a troll doll that had those fluor colored hair. It's such a nice dude, though, like watching the interview. I was really warming up. You know what would like I felt fondly of him. I was like, man What He Seems like a nice young guy who's had a hard upbringing and he's, he's got his entourage of random dudes, like got nothing to do with a wrap. It's like a Mexican dude in a polo shirt. That sort of like wakes him up in the morning and gets him food. I mean once so tell us more about give us a schooling on to Kashi off
say I missed is see if I feel like you feel like like you would right now. When I message back. And I said, Dude, you know, to cash it like this guy. What? Six? Nine? You know of him? This was ages and months and months and months ago. Yeah,
he's like, yeah, I've been following him for it is vaguely remember you mentioning him?
Yeah, I think even on the podcast. He's, I just love his AM. He's like a massive troll. He goes in like he trolls people online. Looks like one too. Yeah. And he's just a tiny little dude. He recently got robbed it was in like a car accidents and pay these dude robbed him at like 5am in the morning in Brooklyn. There's heaps of people after him. And he's been in a few fights. But he's always just in, like, trolling people online. But he's got some good saw. He's got a few good songs. And he's, he's just managed to. He's so charismatic and so much personality and coming at this scene from like, an angle that no one's ever seen before it's working. And he's making shitload of money and he's adding hit after hit. I just saw this interview. I just sent this interview to a Mac, probably half an hour ago of Kashi, where this radio presenters basically just saying, Do take your craft. Seriously. He's like, Well, fuck now and he's just like, sang some of these lyrics from a song He's like, what the fuck even is that? What is that?
So I'm enjoying even getting into the hip hop
like the radio presenters. Terry this person I was listening to Angie Martinez it just like these like the figures in hip hop. Ooh, obviously, I have no idea who they are. But you can see that they have so much get so much respect from the artists and the community. And yeah, I was I feel like I had one of those moments and I don't always follow through, it's like when I get super excited about some sort of website I'm like, Man, I'm gonna favorite this. I'm going to view it every day. And this is going to be the my new type of content is like maybe I could just deep dive into all this hip hop stuff. Just
the standard model we need to do is follow to Kashi then you'll pick up on some others this is how it happened for me like I don't even know how I came across his Insta page but then I started looking at these YouTube videos and I just I find myself watching heaps of his shit he's just got bizarre content I mean
he's like a content King is pumping at so many little random videos and just bizarre shared it's also it's good it's easy to be hated. I think the vibe that I get is that would be easy to hate hate him but I think that he's he's perspectives is super interesting. And yeah, you also I don't think he can look at this stuff without looking at once passed and been like out like, given the circumstances. It's amazing. You know, you could go two ways you can he could have been doing this level of hustle within the city in drugs and also thing and instead he's creating content man is a he's a unicorn in that in that space. Like, there is millions and millions of dudes. And you say that when you go to place like New York, just these guys on the street hustling, rapping trying to sell you their mixtape. Just the amount of it. Yeah, the whole CD wholesale, you think of my bro, I don't even know where I'm going to put it. I think now they've started doing giving us base. But even though I've got like a USB C
to USB, now, they need to go one step ahead. They just need to give me a download link or something. The,
this is so weird, but I've been watching
like TMC or you know like would he call them pepper it? I mean what what there's like they just post clips online of them following celebrity so there'll be like Justin Bieber it just be walking into coffee. And I love watching them because it's just this view on this person's life. And I was just going have facts that dude following Justin Bieber have facts. Justin Bieber's life of him Can he can't even going to get a coffee when there's just hundreds of people running around and how he people interacting with it. And so they just it's like, raw footage of this pepper, artsy interactions. It's not like cat in between, you know, big music. And here's Justin Bieber. It's just literally raw footage from a camera. And there's hundreds of thousands of these videos on YouTube of any celebrity that you like. It's bizarre. I don't know how I went down a rabbit hole recently. But it's interesting. There's an app to where you can actually I forgot the name of it. But it's like a celebrity spotting app. I think the thing that you don't have to worry about I don't think pepper artsy is the celebrities. biggest problem now. I think it's actually citizen pepper rots sees which basically, that anyway,
where they there's apps where you can actually upload if you've seen a photo of someone, so it's like them, literally, you can't go to a restaurant now without someone saying, you know, 50 cent and been like, zooming in and getting a photo op and posting it online. Can you please follow 50 cent on Instagram to He's amazing. He gets in base, he loves to how she seeks nine and he had,
and because Tashi calls himself the king in New York and sell was I think 50 cents. So he's from New York. He's like that old school gangster from New York. So that there was people like, you know, talking about those two and then there was a photo of them together and it's hilarious, but 50 cent trolls so many people. It's hilarious. He makes fun of Floyd Mayweather, the boxer and just about is how he can't read. It's hilarious. And they used to be mates and now they hate each other or something like that. But anyway, that's another one little project for you Josh 50 cent deep dive. Yeah. So you
maybe maybe once maybe I could have a hip hop segment on the show. Maybe once a week. I can just sort of tell you a new hip hop artist tell them tell you a little bit about them school you all right. Maybe just do this in collaboration with Bay Mac because he knows what he's talking about. He works for a label here in Australia. So
I mean, how about what about this when we go to New York? Let's at least have one interview like one conversation one guest that's a rapper Yes. That would be fun. I think like just just to build up a bit of craic. Get a bit of a but maybe launch my rapping career. Probably not sure if we paid well, the guys trying to sell these mics type here. Just do an interview instead of actually. That's a great idea. We should 100% use like the easy one of the guys on the straight. That'd be fun.
I yeah, we should spoke to them. When I was in New York last 2012. And yes, talking to them. They will do a wrap for your freestyle. You know, if you pay a few bucks. I'll just let you drop
Mother's Day. could hold a 30 to 45 minutes show
up either way. Yeah, that might that might
get a couple a mouse. derek derek Maya's on the email Yeah. pointed out you know I've been going on about thongs. Not a thongs guy. He he mentioned the C word an email crawler crocs. She said he's he's suggesting I get crocs. And he sent a photo with some sort of Sponge Bob addition. And funnily enough, Bray had mentioned when I was saying about the phone issue
there's a lot of people around here wearing Crocs, but I still I feel like there are no no go crocs. I can never. With all the work that I've done on my radio brand. Getting crocs would be a real step back.
These are real like take taking crocs to the next level. And that's wearing long socks with crocs. It's almost like it goes beyond fact and it becomes cool so now it's really yeah this is this hipster people in Collingwood doing it's wack artists love it. I think it's like it's it's the Punisher drugs. It doesn't mean it's a good idea, like this
sort of fact, off their face wearing crocs. I don't know. Yeah, I
don't think it's cool at all. Have you seen the photos owned of any of people with them sunburn that's gone through the crocs and it's just little service other than a Henry and I don't want that
we haven't had anyone close the loop in regards to the skin cancer thing about the moles. So I'm still just sort of rocking my normal routine of just putting a bit of sunscreen on my face. I haven't been getting burnt, which is good.
But I can't imagine you want to be just parading around without a top one just through this. Guess you should
say being by the year. I don't give a fuck in Europe. Yeah, I'm the loosest unit going around there. I've got the sickest 10 we're gonna get a photo when you and I are in LA tops off on the beach play volleyball
I'll have the sickest tan
I just quickly we didn't get to it yesterday but Michelle she was talking about she was appreciating actually a lot of great feedback about the cycling Maven episode got a few emails matter Michelle. People reaching out and saying that they really enjoyed it. And she was talking about how much she liked marks view on the numbers. And good luck. I think we'll talk about the YouTube numbers and how he doesn't look at them. Anyway, she did send through and I won't write it now because I'm sure I'll fuck it up. And it will it will play with my mind. But she sent through a riddle. Yeah. Do you understand the riddle yet? I have no idea but might have read it when I was sick yesterday. And I think what I need to do is I need to go through and take every light there's 1-234-567-8910 lines in the riddle. And so what I think I need to do is get like put it in Evernote and break it down the line by line. Yeah, try and work out what it means. I think that's the only way I'm gonna understand this riddle. You decoding The Da Vinci Code is
so it's Yeah,
yeah, I didn't understand it. Michelle
I'll have another eight over it might be I mean, Brian is smart enough to interpret what you've
been having a bit of a comp I've got a bit of a complex about intelligence at the moment. And the the lack of intelligence I feel that I have,
that's why we're doing this shot to to grow. I got a compliment from Craig app, or he said you you a much better communicator since you've been doing the podcast is Josh
just say thanks. Thanks, Craig. You're listening to the daily talk show. And then please apply.
Now. That's a nice compliment. You can only get better unless you're punching cans. And then you probably may lose a few brain cells and lose your intelligence. But I think that's why we're doing this is why you bring your word of the day. Which Yeah,
today was the difference between Miss sector me and vasectomy. Correct? Yeah,
we got we now
I think that's like you, you need to you need to have those moments to learn this,
I think sometimes is bit of a criticism constructive for you. You worry about getting shit wrong. I think you you learn you learn pretty quickly when you get stuff wrong. Because it's okay to be wrong.
Yeah, I think I don't know if it's, um, I don't think it's the getting the getting it wrong. I think it's annoying when I knew when it was. It's the difference between a spelling mistake and a typo. So if people feel like if it's a typo, it's like I yeah, he just. He just misused his fingers. You know, in that moment, where is I am a spelling mistake is you actually didn't know how to spell the word. So I feel like the millisecond me the SEC dummy thing. felt more like a typo than a spelling mistake that I wanted. I did want to do a shout out. I I've mentioned them before, but they're actually
Zara, one of the CO hosts is
is back from being on holidays, Michelle and Zara, have a podcast called shameless and I was listening to it while I was some biking yesterday. And there's a man he said, Yeah, we've said it before. I'm probably the most fam in regards to our podcast, yo. I do get self conscious because they a lot of the podcasts I listened to have, sort of like, we're female focus type of vibe. Like, hey, you know, we're just a bunch of chicks chatting. Yeah, there's a part of me, which feels a little bit out of place, but no, their podcast shameless, especially if you're a female, if you sort of are into pop culture, and all that sort of thing. They, they're super, that's what's gotten me sort of thinking about my vocabulary, and all that sort of thing is, they're just, like, very articulate. And they remind me of us in regards to some of the conversations were having, but they, they sort of know how to articulate it. So that's my recommendation. Any, any, if you've been listening to any podcasts,
just the one from them. And I suggest, and I've already suggested it to about 10 other people, James lt chat, and Seth Godin, his latest episode, it was unbelievable. It was, yeah, it was really, I mean, it resonated with me, and obviously, you because of the journey we're on, but I think for anyone who's wanting to create something and put it out there, or I've sent it to people, friends of mine who have written books, and, and it just, I think, puts in perspective, some of the stuff that people have when they think around what success of something means and what people think success is one of the things that blew my mind is that you can pay $80,000 and beyond the New York Times bestseller list with your book.
Yeah, yeah. So what he's referring to there, I think is, you know, it's a it's a numbers game, right? So especially people like Gary van der Chuck, you'll notice that when he does a launch of his book, he'll be doing these big deals where it's like you by 10 copies, hardcover copies and you'll get this webinar access or by 15 or 20 copies. So what they basically what a lot of the, those sort of hustling authors who want to make those New York Times bestselling list do is they ramp up and sort of almost inflate the numbers by getting their audience to buy multiple copies and give boards so um, and it only works you'll notice at the beginning of a
you know a book launch they'll be just pushing the hardcover copy because that is the copy that is used to determine whether they
they basically make the New York Times list so things like Kindle versions don't make it yeah I think that's what he was probably referring to is you can spend a bunch of money buy a bunch of books get your audience to buy it and sort of
you know you get all the system it's crazy but it's a that was a great episode great podcast
yeah yeah it was very good, awesome everyone I'm so I'm in Positano right now it is, what a nine in the morning to 5pm where you are you leaving today? Yes, so change your plan. So we're not going to Turkey yet. The flights were just too expensive compared to what I think they should be. So we're now going to Capri spending a few days there on that island. And then we're heading to
Naples back to Naples where we're doing Pompei. And then after that we fly to Munich then we fly to Poland and then we go to France and so that's our current plan well you if you have any money left after Capri it's meant to be like one of the most expensive islands it's solid interesting yeah that's it Yeah, I was just looking at doing a boat to a you much of a I'm trying to work out whether to do the group boat tour or just getting a private one I don't know if I can handle just dealing with other people and it right now the boat that has like eight people on it. You there's like just couples sometimes there's it's not even full? We did so you can go on the boat with like 2530 people or the bow? Yeah, the
private ones are about 100 hundred and 10 euros. Ah maybe a bit less. 90 euros? Ah but it's hundred percent worth it. You get a smaller boat. They give you lunch so much better go the private to spend a little bit more
Yella? Well. I was thinking so the price so when they say private, it's a private with a few other other people on it. Yeah. And completely private. Unless you've got a party of seven or something. Yeah, correct. So you
get hooked with a bunch of other people. Lovely. We met some really lovely couples from all over the world on their
sounds like you talk to them though. I
like I had real sort of a back and forth like I have this moment of. Yeah, Jason
and I know you know, speaking English. Yeah. You're Naka. Pisco, Pisco. He's been out now I think if he because you can just go down and lie on the boat. And if you here's a good one. Pretend that you're seasick,
because that will leave me I could just still a bit of formatting. It's not an eye on the end, lot queasy. I just don't. Yeah,
I didn't. I I just I still I'm not the guy who loves those sort of two as we talk. But in saying that when when we put in that position, like we were on a boat yesterday. And there was another couple and Bree is the person who loves the banter and talking and saying oh yeah what Where are you from? all that sort of thing and so i just i vibe off that burst I feel like it's it doesn't feel like a holiday when I I plan that spice Yeah,
well might just
do what you normally do get a podcast and sit in the corner
Yeah, I just put my ear pods in listen to get a shameless somehow smashing the girls
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