- July 10, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Tuesday July 10 (Ep 126) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Talking long form verses short form content, getting uncomfortable while travelling and how we do the show remotely.
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket it's a daily Talk Show Episode 126 what he's crying into joy might sitting inside you know he does become a crack in the winter James walked into my office before and he is dangerous dangerous because I was like really close to the hater with it on not now steps away from him. He's like, puts his hand out to feel it all. It's like once you sort of sit in front of one you Dan Dan Yeah
What was he was he where he wasn't referring to being done interest in the sense of your two cars he didn't give a shit about my safety it was more about the addiction he was sitting from the old hated
well I feel I feel like there is a safety issue because you told me that that he's got a bunch of rain on it you're like oh yeah,
I got a heap of rain on it and it's still work yeah we can always have a Hey bro they should that was the one at a time the the owners of the house that we're renting that we're like oh you guys can just have this hater if you want and then so we put it out on the balcony and and then it started raining and then we took it in three about two months later and maybe we should just check if he still works and it did and so we didn't have to go to bindings and buy a new one so I was happy about that
perfect man my voice can you believe that were what a week and a half I don't think we've had like a normal show where I haven't sounded sinus. Neato it's it's gone yeah
it's like it's like I got you seek through the microphone
impossible but anyway we got we've been getting some great emails lightly Cindy center really nice one about the
about starting a new job and listening to the show. Thank you. Soon as I seen a bunch of people. If you are listening, I you she left to address
on the email. So I'm gonna send us some stickers.
Yeah, and there's a we also got Trevor long said how badly you fucked up the pronunciation of the of the different
foreign company put a caveat in there that motivate him as well. But Trevor is probably my favorite night and and
you actually said Ah, can you pull up that email? Can you read those out you were throwing me under the bus because you would have had no way of doing it. I realized string no idea soon as I did as I our shit also I got a message from Penelope. She lived she was up in shepherd and she used to work with me on the street teams then move to shepherd and actually I think she moved in my house and she was hearing the story about the the mice that I said, I kill the mouse that I killed and the still there
she's not there. Definitely mice there. But we've all we've all fled
and I actually also I Oh, yeah. I also wanted to mention Danny's email to who sent a really nice email and said you know he would love some stickers and spread the word and then he said having said that Josh has travel log is a bit bored a bit boring but probably only because I couldn't give a fuck about the places you going
a fair point. Danny Yeah. Fair point. But he's all he also cares. Base. These two. Yeah, two pronged thing. It's a conundrum. It's a conundrum you very much. So I am went last night to an event held by Vice. You know, that media organization that does edgy content for anyone out there doesn't know. But there were it was like a panel discussion. And I was going I was going with my Matt Ryan who we've had on the show, Ryan john. And we've got to the building in the city. And we got to the the elevator and we hit the button. There was another guy standing there and we kind of all going to live together and he hits I say the elevator. I mean, lift. And anyway, so we all got into lift together. And then we press the same button. So we're obviously going to the same event. And then he goes he should. this other guy we didn't even know leans out. And he's like, are you Tommy?
Yeah. So awesome. Good daddy talk show. And I swear. So he's named Harry. He ended up sitting with him. Absolute legend from Sydney. I've never met him before. He's a filmmaker. So shout out to Harry,
and he reckons he knows you. Or he's he's met Henry Roth from Orange. Yes,
yeah, yeah, I know a hairy man. He he does some awesome stuff. He's um, he actually came to he grew up in a country town and basically converted his shed on like some sort of, I'm gonna say its farmland, but might have just been a big property. He converted that into a big film studio. Well,
and I subscribe to his aim is probably better than half the other people in orange that have converted their shades into meth labs. Because there's a big mess problem there and shipping
and so he's he's also using a lot of hotline so he's probably probably surprised significant enough on the door for his energy by doing a fly over with the, you know, heat detector, helicopter Harry's. Harry's house gets right if you read heads,
but it was a legend and he said to me listening to the show from early days. So yeah, amazing. I mean, that's Yeah. So
how was the so this vice thing what was the deal? What was the role about
I was a Ryan send it to me and said, I you you can on this. I said he going, he said, I'll go if you go. So I said I'll go and then we went and it was like
an interviewer or moderator from vice and there was three panelists a creative a marketing person, and a strategist strategist. He was this French dude, all I wanted to do was have him speak the whole time because he's voice was so awesome. And, and so they'll just talking about content, you would have enjoyed it. One of the things the chick, the content person, the creative she called herself,
she isn't a creator, but she's a creative so she's just coming up with ideas for brands for bracelet and probably coming towards them. But something she said was, she's a hard prediction is that you know, five years time or, you know, should the really short micro content is on the way out. And what going to come in in a big way is this long form content that you know, being brands going to put money behind? So Coca Cola will be doing films, you know, brought to you by Coca Cola sounds like a
Netflix series brought to you by Coca Cola, not not not specific, you know, connection between yet flexing Coachella, but in terms of brands, funding longer form storytelling documentaries, which I thought was, you know, something that we're moving towards doing more of it, I think, I think that it's not going to, I think that this idea that something's going to completely go isn't really true. I think that people probably over bake that, like, they call this longer form stuff be VOD. It's like broadcast video on demand with with this idea that you spend a bunch you know, it's like TV, but within the context of streaming or stuff like that, but look good stuff like Insta stories. Like, yes, there is i j. TV, which is moving to you no longer videos, but men Insta stories is like crack, I spent so much time just clicking through. And you can actually tell a really compelling story. So I think that probably it's just taking way longer for the mainstream media and also the big, you know, the longer form production houses to be able to see the value in a streaming only online only offering because it's hard to monetize. Yeah,
as soon as I work out the monetizing thing, then I think there's gonna be every different type of content. And yeah, I guess that's a good opportunity for us, right, from a creating longer form stuff. Yeah, and the the strategist guy was talking about it, he said this thing with real conviction. And I have the sensitivity like you've lost it, right? You saying that you're not listening to me,
you're in the room, you're not listening to me, you're predicting a few send a few seconds ahead of me of what I'm saying. Which means that it's like this idol. There's no disruption in the communication that I have. So you can just floating along and I kind of didn't get what he was trying to say is like, he's talking about creating things that disrupt that line of thinking, where you just kind of consuming Okay, I can tell kind of what's going on here and what's happening. And so it's like disrupting that pattern of people predicting what is coming up next from the person what they're saying, which Yeah, I mean, it's another thing I think the reality is, when you're on a panel, you're trying to say profound shift in each each other.
Yeah, panels. I think panels are hard, I think like, I think they're probably easy to easy to do in the sense of you just but it can get a bit sort of circle jerky and a bit just sort of nothing of true substance coming out of it. Whatever you've been consuming lightly. Like do you find that you spend you spending a lot of time on YouTube? I know I went through a stage of just like every morning waking up going on to my TV and watching YouTube What are you doing it I haven't got
that habit. I just podcaster may just driving me like when I'm in the car. I just smashing podcasts audiobooks. So a lot of lot of audio medium, maybe it's because we're doing the editing all day, half of the time or creating videos. So it's like, I do like it watching some video content. But a lot of the lot of the people that have been following that haven't been going hard on making content. I've kind of tuned out
Yeah, I think that the other problem too, is that content has a bit of a dirty name. Now, when people think of content, they think of like, this specific captions style video where they're giving some sort of advice. I think that the the advice type
content is on the way like, I think that this this idea of just being like a main looking video with some dude yelling at you. Like, I think that we need more than that. Yeah. Did I take you in that one that I don't think I did take? I'm gonna take anyone. It's a guy who I know. I know. I'm like, I don't know. Well, but he's, he's selling personal training certificate certificate three and four. And he's yelling, he's just yelling.
And people are responding. Oh, I wish I had that. When I was around as I did, you know, just feel gross. Because he yelled at you and your ears.
It's a you know, you know how you we saw that. And that 711 did on Instagram, or? Yes, yes. I was like,
I was like a Vox pop. Yeah, yeah. So a guy was essentially as a look like a an intern for the agency. We were sort of talking about. Yeah,
but yeah, tell us man. So in short, he was getting testimonies of people who really like 711, $1
to dollar $3 coffee, and every one of them mentally enough pay to ship it was in the video. They all of them, and it just had this bit of a growth stage, because everyone was like, yeah, it's the most creamy, beautiful coffee you could ever have. And it was like, it was like, it seemed legit in what they were saying. But it didn't seem fake. So my point is, like, they weren't overly sarcastic in their delivery of this hour, obviously, you say, what do you think? Yeah, it's great. It's like almost taking a bit of the pace and Ryan john who has with last night the event he asked a question he kind of talked about this, and he said, like, is a diminishing returns in creating this testimonial, which is like 100%, there's not going to be a negative testimonial. Every one of them is going to be amazing and speaking brand like he's a detriment to the brand. And the this is the only time I didn't want the French blog to be talking because he said that he didn't he didn't agree in he said, a 711 or a tongue in cheek brand. And that seems like that was, you know, really Dan their alley and then I grabbed the market. I said, Yeah, you can also get sarcasm wrong. And everyone laughs which is
Yeah, yeah, I don't think I don't know if it was soccer know, this wasn't like, I definitely didn't get that volatile. I
mean, he was he had to say something up as a panel. And he was talking like he's saying, uh, but yeah, I I just think there's another approach to doing testimonial videos in now in the common day where it's rather than just people talking about how good the brand is, that doesn't work. So I think you see, there is like, a,
there's, there's periods of time where things work or, you know, we're not calling bullshit on everything. But then for some reason, it gets to a point where it's just an overload of it. Like you're saying, they're all those videos of people just shouting advice at you. So it becomes a point where, yeah,
it's not advice anymore. It's annoying. But I also think that what happens is that some of these things start off in a pure form where it's quite good. I don't know who it says. But someone, there's sort of a famous dude who says, marketing ruins everything. And if you think about it, it's like, think about the early days of Twitter, or even Instagram. And it's this single feed where you see everything and then all of a sudden marketers come in, and, you know, there's a desire to make money from it.
And I guess I think where we're seeing it as well is, it's the photo authenticity it's this I think that what probably marketers are realizing is
being or people want authentic content. The problem is that they're trying to make content team that looks authentic, that at its heart or core isn't authentic, which I think complicated even more Yeah, when you when you're trying to deliver something authentic to sell a product and that is very strong emphasis the part about selling the product it's like it's it's negative to the authentic authentic authenticity of it, sir Yeah,
yeah, it's interesting. I Are you seeing much like while you're traveling, different marketing, different approaches that the Italians are having at co signed to
Bray, I recommend the bikini model like when you go past like the bikini like swimwear stores and stuff. The boobs on the models tend to be big. I don't know why you
see ya. You just really keep an eye on the JJ.
JJ bringing a bit of smart JJ finally brings a bit of smoke to the show. Now. It was just an observation. I guess it was maybe that I don't know if that's a cultural thing. Height. The Daily talk show.com you know why, like maybe just generally a little bit curvier. Yeah, in the model, in some cases, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I literally went past one store and not disturb. Yeah. And what
about like, you getting different ads being pushed you through your phone? No, I'm getting all Australian stuff. So
obviously yelling and yelling at you. Advice. Yeah, now I'm just I'm just getting sort of the standard, the standard stick. But yeah, I think the thing that I've been thinking about is and Michael Dixon's spoke about this on LinkedIn, I believe as well who's a awesome to like speaker and facilitator of cool ideas and ship anyway, he was talking about the idea that when he was traveling, he could travel and disconnect and almost like rebrand, got on the way out, right? So you spend three months traveling people haven't seen or heard from you, when you come back with this new ideas, new knowledge. And
the thing that I am slightly struggling with, is this idea that I still am slightly tethered to home. So I've got my Instagram where I'm getting ads served to me that are in English that are Australian specific. I'm getting up every morning every weekday morning and doing this. And so I'm I do worry that maybe I'm missing out on some form of that sort of cultural experience by not being fully detached Fact is, is your way of saying we're not doing the show anymore. No, no, no, no, it's but this is also the other thing too, right. It's, um, I think it's the,
the reason why it's really good. And it's also like, it's a thing, it's a compromise, right? I think that it's a The thing with doing this doing this show is like we're working on a much longer game. And I think I've, you know, done the calculations or whatever I'm being like, I'm better off doing this. I'm working on this because it would be a shame because reality is that this trip is three months and then we'll be continuing. You know, the podcast has 10 years And whereas, you know, I can I can Yeah, I don't know what what's your view on how would you how do you think you was you saying my experience what would you sort of filter and change? Yeah,
if I think it'd be worth sort of tuning out of that social noise from Australia and then I can just be your correspondent
on the ground here because you're right it's like when I said you hear about the Tesla thing Yeah, if I can hurt and he paid a hitch and posting about it's like, yeah, you can totally be in the loop on the other side of the world and and feel like you're amongst it, but do you are you getting a sense that you actually Danny's tuned out right now he's back he's just held the hone down he's trying to drown out the noise of these shy this
lab plowing into
this frenzy cuz
he's done he's retired heavy I you feel very top make that joke actually I take that back this public within the train think it's probably real fucked up thing they have to deal with it they will come jumping in front of trained yeah
don't imagine but are you are you actually immersing yourself in the culture like you look like the NPC every day so I'm proud yeah
that's a very see yourself having we've definitely been having a little bit of wine here and there no I think I'm generally to the area that I'm noticing where I'm getting out of my comfort zone is around the
like language so where where we are right now I say I can't remember now
what is it brazen? Sabrina not Serrano. Serrano is around she's fucking yelling it Serrano
where we are right now. It's a very like, I think they call it like slow tourism, or whatever it is. I haven't seen a single tourist. And it's, um, I haven't heard anyone speaking English. And so that's been a really interesting experience. So it's like going and trying to where we're staying. The Airbnb this guy, Chris, the host. He's got three apartments in this medieval village or town. And they're he he's living across from us at the moment. He's like, a mix of American and English has written a book on Tuscany. And he's
such an interesting dude. And so he when we arrive, this is the cultural stuff that I like, like, we arrive, and he was talking about tasking bread, bang, a big shift, because basically, they, they don't add salt and add all these things. But they add it to their food. And that's why their food tastes so good. Yeah, but he's like, he, he, he makes his own bread. So he made us bread, we got like, jam with it. Then we went to a he said, What are you gonna do for dinner? And we said, we don't know yet. We might just go out and sort of explore might go to like, the butcher or whatever, and get some cheeses and mate and stuff like that. Anyway,
he said, I would normally take you out and sort of help you out with it. But I'm actually got a birthday party that I've got to go do anyway, wait in the 10 walking around trying to find the general store. And he comes out he was just at like, the wine bar that just nearby and said, I've actually got five minutes because I need to buy lemon. So he ended up going and helped us buying all these different meats and cheeses. And then yeah, just it was a really great experience. Yeah. And so embrace has been so good at the I feel like I need to get better at the the language thing or just having the confidence just to not nail it. We're breeze doing I feel like brain is doing a really good job of that at the moment. Talking. You're talking? Yeah, just just looking at Google Google trip. Well, that's all I've been doing. I've been on mute. Whereas Bray just a lot of smiling and nodding raspberries got Google Translate out and she was working it. Yeah. But what it did get me thinking was around how much I've how much we've grown as travelers like, do you remember? Do you feel like you've you've grown a lot since you've sort of the early days of you know, what was the first or the first international trip you went on
Bali with my family. But I went to England by myself. Stay with my cousin went to Italy the first time traveling by self is fucking interesting. Like, without anybody. Yeah, no, no, partner. I went to Florida. I went to I went to Rome and Florence. But that was like, the first time by myself traveling. Interesting.
And what was it like, I
was great. I met a guy now, who's a good friend of mine. But you just, I've got no like it. So, you know, may I talked to anyone. And most people might have a fucking chance. But I still I still feel like that uncomfortable. self conscious. You know, I think you get over that shit around. Or, you know, people think of stupid by myself. I don't know, there's this weird thing. It's, it's probably shift. It was like when I was a kid. And then I thought going for coffee by myself. I was felt a bit self conscious about for some reason, just ego. And then I started loving it. So it's like, Yeah, you do more of that. So you get used to being in a space that was once uncomfortable for you. And then it feels good.
Yeah, I think it's about like, embracing that. I think that it goes against our natural like that lizard prime, right? It's like it goes against goes against that. But I haven't noticed, like when we went to we did a two and we, we went to this vineyard and we had lunch. And that sort of said beforehand, we're going to give you different wines that are going to be you know, best for different parts of your meal, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I was on a table brain. I were both on the table with like,
six Americans from like, you know, okay, couples or whatever, like all to us, and they were all from different parts of the states. And we got them wine. And you could tell the other tables had started drinking. And I could see that how a table with that we're all looking around like, are we meant to start or whatever. Yeah, and I would have left it I we none of us were drinking it yet. And it was like a minute gone by and I was like, Oh, you know what I'm gonna be the the Jason Fox talks about it who have had on the show was like being the the jester and that's one of the things that he sort of tries to do. And I think that I almost felt like, maybe I misinterpret the jester thing in some regards. But I was happy to be the fool in that moment. And being like, so what's the deal with the wines everyone? What do we what do we do I and then every all of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, let's grab this one. And then everyone started drinking. So yeah, it's it's interesting. You've got to get out of your comfort zone. Just an artist how much we've we've changed since our early days of
travel Well, I think justice this is the definition of gesture recording to go a professional Joker a fall at a medieval court typically wearing a cat with bells on it and caring and mock sceptre.
I'll try and be full just a while let
me get a hat that is just like a just to have well it's not part of my part of my rebrand but um, we should be able to organize something like cap with bells on that will be funny
Well, the thing is do a good look
for look for maybe about two months of this year you will literally just staying at home getting up in the morning going coffee coming back editing and that was your life and so this is like yeah, complete other side. I think there is it definitely makes you grow as a human expands your mind traveling and I think what it comes down to is you constantly uncomfortable, it's not that comfortable traveling at it may it's just pushing the boundaries of what how you think and feel. So it's it's definitely great.
Well, I am I was reminded of a time we're going into the air b&b
I was asked like, it's like such a beautiful view or poster just quickly do you think I'm going to follow on with the Instagram stories? What are the wine the daily daily talk show? That was yesterday you were a bit hot, but it is a good place. There was a story that wasn't just a gelato. I felt like it was a story. Yeah, if people if people missed it, I, I rented I rented a car and drove here which it all worked out fine. We, um, I only went the wrong way once and it was just in a car park area. So that was fine. But
when we were when we're coming in, I was just thinking how amazing the Airbnb was. And I noted that there was no TV which is great. Go ahead. And I was reminded of a trip that brain I went to in New York when we were we would have been
maybe 2122 Actually, no, we would have been like 23 would have been like four or five years ago. And we got to the Airbnb and it was really hot in there. There was a few things but then I told her Bray, there's Um, there's no cable TV and she burst into tears when she cried because there's no TV she she cried, because there was a TV but it just was it David a player there was no cable, hang on what's braise it? Yeah, she needs to clarify that story. Not that
I know what she's she's.
She's gone out of the bedroom right now. To clarify the story come a place, breezy. What do you think happened? It wasn't
the cape was me. It was the whole situation
of being with us. I will say that is the thing that you know, it was it was so funny. But also on that trip, Bree asked me if I thought she'd put on weight on the trip. And I said no. And then she said no, seriously, I want you to be honest I said maybe a little bit on your arms and on you
thank you moving on your bomb. You did say that anyway, that didn't go down that way. Right? That's that's a life trap. That's Yeah, yes. Yeah.
trap. We've done a lot with managed to another life track. Yeah, you can't. I've been I've had staying with that one. Many times. Be honest. Tell me what you think. All right. No problem ever be honest.
dive into it. So ya
know, it's a way he forum seven days? Well, I'm having that the audio is good. And if you seem to have internet and you go getting dried, you
think the only good I was? I was a bit worried. Because the it's definitely like, it's not super strong internet. But we've worked out should we explain tech technically how we're doing it? Or is that boring?
I actually thought it said it's interesting. I thought it was quite fascinating. Because we it's actually it's, it's a way that you probably wouldn't think to do this,
huh? Yeah. So if you're, if you're a radio person, or a podcast, or this might be of interest to you. So we've done we've set up a lot of different ways of doing the show, depending on the situation. Normally, Tommy and I just recording into a
one recorder were both together, we have our microphones. It's nice and easy.
On the start of the trip, what we used was a technology or a website called IP down the line. And it's an equivalent for if, if you're in radio, what you listen to radio, you might know what's known as, or if you listen up, wouldn't have heard of it. It's called an eye SDN line. And it's like a high fidelity, low latency audio solution, which basically just means that it's like a phone phone line that's really high quality. So it sounds like they're in the same room together. And so IP down online is a similar solution to that. But using the internet rather than a physical sort of phone line. And we started using that. But the problem is that it would because it was sending Tommy high quality signal to me, and sometimes it would,
it would break down or it wouldn't be great. And so what we've landed on, and this has worked out pretty well is because we're not doing it live. We have the luxury of being able to do some things in post production. And what we've found to be the best solution is FaceTime. So we have FaceTime right now. I'm using a program called audio hijack, which records Tommy's FaceTime and my my audio just as backups. And then on top of that Tommy's recording locally, in software on his computer soccer forgot to do that now. I'm just kidding. Fuck off. Just kidding. Just go to my heart. Some ways this can be at least to show I feel like that's a joke you can't make because there's going to be a show where you do. Yeah, very true. But But. And then. So what happens is, I then bring it in to post and I actually bring up your Tommy's volume level, because he's you could tell me choosing what's known as a condenser microphone, which means it picks up a lot more room noise compared to this dynamic microphone, which is it doesn't capture all of that. So because my because Tommy's microphones more sensitive actually can bring up he's the volume of his and I can actually hear me in the headphones when the volume is really loud. And I use that to then sync it up. And then so there we go, we've got two, we have two microphones all synced up. And that sounds like we're in the same room, it actually works really well. It's the problem with it is just the the slight delay or like, I think that that's probably something people might notice is, it's a little bit harder to interject or continue on the story. Yeah,
this is literally establishing a new show from what we did for the first 115 it's like a different vibe. It's it's changing. So I get I get your feelings Danny
drive safely. And it's interesting, I think, exactly. I think with
the thing with feedback, I'm, I'm reading this awesome book of the momentum only, like the first chapter is called nonviolent communication. And it's it's all about the words are us basically. And violent is a strong word. But it's just like the words we use to communicate and stuff like that. And I think I'm trying to emphasize, I'm really excited to read this book. Because I think what it will help with these taking feedback and being able to communicate feedback as well, because I realized that's where the growth is. And it's also like Danny's concern is the exact concern that we had. But there's really not a way around it. Like we can try and we can try better and talk about other things and not talk so much about the travel type of thing. But there's also going to be a difference. And so it's almost just weathering this storm, which is something different. And then by episode, you know, 180 or 200 will have nailed this, and then we'll be back in the same room. And then we've got a guest coming out every Friday. So not sure who does this this week. However, hey, it's the 10th is still one one day left to send through an email high at the daily talk. show.com If you want stickers,
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Yeah, absolutely. Michelle, I got Michelle Michelle center for follow up email. She was really capable that I just didn't send them in the UK.
But know that they they will be sent but your height, the daily talk show and we can send them we can send them internationally as well. So if you're in that we've got a bunch of people who listened in the US. So if you're in the US, we're happy to sort out how to get back to I'm saying that is sort of a bit of a proxy to Tommy's workload.
Now, I've actually got a good system going on. So a full time job now. sticker stickers, sensor data as it costs to send just out of curiosity. What
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